The curse of the law
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I'm really not comfortable discussing my question to ISIT with someone else instead of him.
That can lead to confusion regarding my question to him.
Who believes that?
Is this whole presentation refutation of a straw man?
The law is not a curse, disobedience to the law is a curse.
That's elementary.
The curse of the law is not presented in two ways in the NT,
whereas curse and law are here separated and each treated differently.
The issue with the NT presented by this whole presentation is shown right here.
So it is not necessary to address the whole presentation in order to address its issue with the NT
Biblically, the Ten Commandments were the basis of the Sinaitic Covenant
(the two terms were used interchangeably to mean the same thing--Dt 4:13; Ex 34:28b),
the violation of which Ten Commandments constituted violation of the Covenant
(they were the same thing) resulting in the curses.
Biblically, the curse of the law and the curse of the covenant are the same thing.
The only way to escape the curse of the covenant is to escape the law itself, to be "not under law."
However, what is presented here is an escape from the curse of the law
by an escape from the covenant itself.
It stands the word of God on its head.
This is the reason for my simple yes or no question:
"Do you think that
entering into the Sinaitic covenant was a curse (the wrong thing to do), or
that Israel should not have agreed to the Sinaitic Covenant because it bound them to curses in the event of their violation of it?"
--to see if I am understanding the presentation correctly.
Are you in a position to give the yes or no answer to the question above for ISIT?
That can lead to confusion regarding my question to him.
Who believes that?
Is this whole presentation refutation of a straw man?
The law is not a curse, disobedience to the law is a curse.
That's elementary.
The curse of the law is not presented in two ways in the NT,
whereas curse and law are here separated and each treated differently.
The issue with the NT presented by this whole presentation is shown right here.
So it is not necessary to address the whole presentation in order to address its issue with the NT
Biblically, the Ten Commandments were the basis of the Sinaitic Covenant
(the two terms were used interchangeably to mean the same thing--Dt 4:13; Ex 34:28b),
the violation of which Ten Commandments constituted violation of the Covenant
(they were the same thing) resulting in the curses.
Biblically, the curse of the law and the curse of the covenant are the same thing.
The only way to escape the curse of the covenant is to escape the law itself, to be "not under law."
However, what is presented here is an escape from the curse of the law
by an escape from the covenant itself.
It stands the word of God on its head.
This is the reason for my simple yes or no question:
"Do you think that
entering into the Sinaitic covenant was a curse (the wrong thing to do), or
that Israel should not have agreed to the Sinaitic Covenant because it bound them to curses in the event of their violation of it?"
--to see if I am understanding the presentation correctly.
Are you in a position to give the yes or no answer to the question above for ISIT?
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I understand. . .it was not your issue in the first place.
It remains ISIT's yes or no question to be answered by him.
Do you think that
entering into the Sinaitic covenant was a curse (the wrong thing to do), or
that Israel should not have agreed to the Sinaitic Covenant because
it bound them to curses in the event of their violation of it?
It remains ISIT's yes or no question to be answered by him.
Do you think that
entering into the Sinaitic covenant was a curse (the wrong thing to do), or
that Israel should not have agreed to the Sinaitic Covenant because
it bound them to curses in the event of their violation of it?
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Christ hath Redeemed us from the Curse of the Law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3
very evident, those who start out in the Spirit, then go back under the Law of for Justification, 'ye are fallen from Grace' DANGER lies ahead! these who Claim Christ, but then adhere and command others to follow the Law... Treading on the Blood of Jesus!
The JUST shall live by Faith: indeed!
Be not carried about with Divers and Strange Doctrines. For it is a good thing that the Heart be established with Grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been Occupied therein. Hebrews 13
very evident, those who start out in the Spirit, then go back under the Law of for Justification, 'ye are fallen from Grace' DANGER lies ahead! these who Claim Christ, but then adhere and command others to follow the Law... Treading on the Blood of Jesus!
The JUST shall live by Faith: indeed!
Be not carried about with Divers and Strange Doctrines. For it is a good thing that the Heart be established with Grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been Occupied therein. Hebrews 13
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My failure to answer reveals my answer????? LOL No, it's just means I don't answer questions from persons who are not sincere in the inquiry of them. Such persons who are well known for misrepresenting others words and twisting them in order to build straw man arguments and then bring false accusations. Hmmmm where have we seen that before?
But I see even without any answer from me, you still brought the false accusations anyway. For shame.
But I see even without any answer from me, you still brought the false accusations anyway. For shame.
Its clear now,
Some indeed preach Christ
even of envy and strife
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions,
and genealogies, and contentions,
and strivings about the law;
for they are unprofitable and vain.
Advice for InSpiritInTruth, dont be bother it was a great post
D
Here is InSpiritInTruth's post, I separated his points ...
Many believe the law itself is “the curse”
but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in
Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”
So what was the curse?
The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in
Deuteronomy 27:26“Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
The first part of this curse has to do with sin
as it is written in
Romans 7:10-11[SUP]“ [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.”
Again we see the law was ordained unto life,
but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin.
So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin?
If you answered sin then you would be correct.
Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath.
It is written
Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written,
Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law.
The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture.
And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse as in
Nehemiah 10:29 “They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”
And in
Daniel 9:11 “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.”
And here is where the curse came in by swearing themselves to the oath in
Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”
And so being unable to perform the vow to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the flesh and of sin, then the curses mentioned in the law were put into effect.
Which is why Jesus said
Matthew 5:33-37 “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35[/SUP]Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.[SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”
And here again also in
James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”
(and lastly a couple of lines of his own advice)
And a word to the wise, if you ever have to go to court and are asked to forswear yourself to an oath, or any other vow or oath for that matter…don’t do it! Peace.
Its an excellent post
Many believe the law itself is “the curse”
but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in
Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”
So what was the curse?
The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in
Deuteronomy 27:26“Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
The first part of this curse has to do with sin
as it is written in
Romans 7:10-11[SUP]“ [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.”
Again we see the law was ordained unto life,
but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin.
So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin?
If you answered sin then you would be correct.
Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath.
It is written
Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written,
Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law.
The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture.
And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse as in
Nehemiah 10:29 “They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”
And in
Daniel 9:11 “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.”
And here is where the curse came in by swearing themselves to the oath in
Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”
And so being unable to perform the vow to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the flesh and of sin, then the curses mentioned in the law were put into effect.
Which is why Jesus said
Matthew 5:33-37 “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35[/SUP]Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.[SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”
And here again also in
James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”
(and lastly a couple of lines of his own advice)
And a word to the wise, if you ever have to go to court and are asked to forswear yourself to an oath, or any other vow or oath for that matter…don’t do it! Peace.
Its an excellent post
Yes, I am well aware of her tactics, but it's hard to build a straw man without any straw.
entering into the Sinaitic covenant was a curse (the wrong thing to do), or
Israel should not have agreed to the Sinaitic Covenant because it bound them to curses in the event of its violation
means that:
Israel should have told God, "Thanks, but no thanks."
God made them a false offer when he promised blessings for compliance with the covenant,
because all he was actually promising were curses.
God tricked them.
That in itself shows the error of this preposterous notion that
Israel should not have agreed to the Sinaitic Covenant (Ex 24:3, 7-8).
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Deuteronomy 27:26
“Cursed be he that confirmeth not
all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
It is written
Galatians 3:10
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
for it is written,
Cursed is every one that continueth not
in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
Nehemiah 10:29
“They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law,
which was given by Moses the servant of God,
and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”
“Cursed be he that confirmeth not
all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
Awesome connections here
“Cursed be he that confirmeth not
all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
It is written
Galatians 3:10
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:
for it is written,
Cursed is every one that continueth not
in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
Nehemiah 10:29
“They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law,
which was given by Moses the servant of God,
and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”
“Cursed be he that confirmeth not
all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.”
Awesome connections here
God's Torah is anything but divers and strange doctrines. If that were the case, why should anyone believe in the one that confirms the Grace of Almighty God who gave it? Oxymoron for sure.
I never said the Torah was divers and strange doctrine.. NO TEACHINGS ABOUT THE TORAH, as IT HAS to be followed now to achieve Righteousness once a Genuine convert! the Just shall Live by Faith... your reading into my statement , making presumptuous Accusations... careful!
"Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Psalms 19:13
We all could probably take this to heart. True grace of Christ compels one to esteem the law God gave to Moses, for we are not under it but subject to it. That might seem like an oxymoron to those that still have a carnal mind "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:7) Sorry about my assumption. My mistake if you believe as I do.
We all could probably take this to heart. True grace of Christ compels one to esteem the law God gave to Moses, for we are not under it but subject to it. That might seem like an oxymoron to those that still have a carnal mind "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:7) Sorry about my assumption. My mistake if you believe as I do.