The Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Messianic Movement
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I wish we could discuss this over a cup of coffee or tea!! I think it is so important we keep to how it is, and you say we have misunderstandings?
We can't obey all the law and be human, we all need Christ, but how can you say it is wrong to obey when we are told in scripture to obey? Grace is the unearned forgiveness God gives us through Christ, I didn't know it was a law. I thought it was a truth of God.
I thought that when our church preaches so against the law it was through fear of the law? I have read that when scripture says our obedience comes to us in spirit and truth through the HS, it means that we aren't to listen to written law. That Paul teaches against the "law of Moses" and that is all written law.
We can't obey all the law and be human, we all need Christ, but how can you say it is wrong to obey when we are told in scripture to obey? Grace is the unearned forgiveness God gives us through Christ, I didn't know it was a law. I thought it was a truth of God.
I thought that when our church preaches so against the law it was through fear of the law? I have read that when scripture says our obedience comes to us in spirit and truth through the HS, it means that we aren't to listen to written law. That Paul teaches against the "law of Moses" and that is all written law.
You are tight!! It wasn't you who used the dietary laws to put down the idea of seriously studying the OT scriptures. I was wrongly so sure you were using that as an argument to put them down that I made an untrue statement about you. I truly apologize. I have just gone carefully over all your posts. It was not you doing that.
I guess I do not understand why you are so opposed to this movement to understand what God is saying in the OT more thoroughly. It seems to me the opposition is against God and His kingdom on earth. Just as I falsely accused you, I see them being falsely accused of no giving God His glory, but trying to make works their God. They aren't doing that, they are studying the meaning of the rituals God gave the Hebrews.
I guess I do not understand why you are so opposed to this movement to understand what God is saying in the OT more thoroughly. It seems to me the opposition is against God and His kingdom on earth. Just as I falsely accused you, I see them being falsely accused of no giving God His glory, but trying to make works their God. They aren't doing that, they are studying the meaning of the rituals God gave the Hebrews.
The NT word of God does not take a benign view of honoring God according to what seems good to us,
because that is using our own man-made ordinances, which God has not authorized in the NT.
NT believers are not to use Jewish ceremonies.
Paul says that practicing these ceremonies is turning back to dead, miserable,
worldly (authorized by man only) forms of religion, because they do not come from the new creation
(Gal 4:3, 8-11; Col 2:8, 17, 20; Heb 10:1).
Christians are not to use any ceremonies not authorized by Jesus or the apostles.
Paul says unauthorized ceremonies are "will-worship" (Col 2:22-23, KJV), devising our own way
of honoring God instead of honoring him only in the way he has prescribed.
All forms of religion outside the NT are worldly because they are not authorized by God, but by man.
They are, therefore, dishonoring to God; we are to do nothing that dishonors God (1Co 10:31).
We must not make Uzzah's mistake of presuming God will be pleased with what seems good
to us (2Sa 6:6-7), but rather we must inquire of God in his word how he would have us honor him
(1Chr 15:13).
As David, because he had no warrant for building a Temple, was stopped from doing so (2Sa 7:13).
In the NT, Seder has been replaced with the Lord's Supper (1Co 11:24-26).
Jesus' focus at the Lord's Supper was not about a past event, but a future event.
His focus was not Israel, but the cross, and all those who would believe in him (Jn 17).
In the NT, we are to proclaim the Lord's death until he comes (1Co 11:26), not Israel's deliverance
from Pharoah.
God in his word authorizes no other Christian rites or ordinances but baptism, the Lord's Supper,
anointing with oil (Mk 6:13; Jas 5:14) and laying on of hands (Ac 6:6, 8:18, 13:3; 1Tim 4:14;
2Tim 1:6; Heb 6:2).
It is not for us to improve on God's ordinances.
Actually, what is wrong is the unauthorized practice of ordinances which were only shadows,
when we now have the reality itself (Col 2:17).
Any practice of the shadows of the OT ceremonies is unauthorized, disobedient (Gal 4:9-11),
dishonoring, unchristian will-worship.
It is human wisdom, not God's wisdom; it is zeal (though well-intentioned, like Uzzah) without
knowledge (Ro 10:2)
because that is using our own man-made ordinances, which God has not authorized in the NT.
NT believers are not to use Jewish ceremonies.
Paul says that practicing these ceremonies is turning back to dead, miserable,
worldly (authorized by man only) forms of religion, because they do not come from the new creation
(Gal 4:3, 8-11; Col 2:8, 17, 20; Heb 10:1).
Christians are not to use any ceremonies not authorized by Jesus or the apostles.
Paul says unauthorized ceremonies are "will-worship" (Col 2:22-23, KJV), devising our own way
of honoring God instead of honoring him only in the way he has prescribed.
All forms of religion outside the NT are worldly because they are not authorized by God, but by man.
They are, therefore, dishonoring to God; we are to do nothing that dishonors God (1Co 10:31).
We must not make Uzzah's mistake of presuming God will be pleased with what seems good
to us (2Sa 6:6-7), but rather we must inquire of God in his word how he would have us honor him
(1Chr 15:13).
As David, because he had no warrant for building a Temple, was stopped from doing so (2Sa 7:13).
In the NT, Seder has been replaced with the Lord's Supper (1Co 11:24-26).
Jesus' focus at the Lord's Supper was not about a past event, but a future event.
His focus was not Israel, but the cross, and all those who would believe in him (Jn 17).
In the NT, we are to proclaim the Lord's death until he comes (1Co 11:26), not Israel's deliverance
from Pharoah.
God in his word authorizes no other Christian rites or ordinances but baptism, the Lord's Supper,
anointing with oil (Mk 6:13; Jas 5:14) and laying on of hands (Ac 6:6, 8:18, 13:3; 1Tim 4:14;
2Tim 1:6; Heb 6:2).
It is not for us to improve on God's ordinances.
Actually, what is wrong is the unauthorized practice of ordinances which were only shadows,
when we now have the reality itself (Col 2:17).
Any practice of the shadows of the OT ceremonies is unauthorized, disobedient (Gal 4:9-11),
dishonoring, unchristian will-worship.
It is human wisdom, not God's wisdom; it is zeal (though well-intentioned, like Uzzah) without
knowledge (Ro 10:2)
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Most of you have an idea about my position on a few of these issues already...But here's what I can't shake when thinking about Hebrew Roots and such. We know Christ said...
Matthew 7:13
And right after this, Christ goes on to talk about...
- The True vs. False Prophets (Matthew 7:15-20)
- The True vs. False Disciples (Matthew 7:20-23)
- The Wise vs. Foolish Builder Parable (Matthew 7:24-28)
...and right before Matthew 7:13 Christ is speaking about "asking, seeking & knocking" for the door (of I'm assuming the gift of knowledge about the truth) to be opened to us.
From the context given, Christ isn't talking about the unbelieving world who's on the broad road to destruction. While that would be true, those people are not the subject of his message. So this tells me that the *majority* of we professed believers have not found that small gate and narrow road...mathematically; logically. In other words, Christianity 'en totale' is (in its broadest understanding) we who haven't got it exactly right and who walk the broad road, while there's a "very small" percentage of Christians who do.
For instance, Christ had thousands of disciples, but only a few (12) continued to follow him...
Then out of the 12 who followed him, only fewer still (3) saw him in his kingdom ("transfiguration").
Now I'm not directly arguing for the Hebrew Roots *Movement* (because I don't exactly know what it entails) so much as I'm arguing for understanding the Hebrew Roots of the faith we all profess...notwithstanding, isn't it true that the "majority" of believers is the group that misses out (at least as far as Christ says)?
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Here's an example of how understanding the *Hebrew Roots [NOT *Jewish Roots] opens understanding about Christ:
Matthew 9:20-22
She didn't just come to him because he was recognized as someone who had the power of healing, but came to him - not saying a word - and acted on her faith based on *something* she previously knew as truth ahead of him...and of course Christ confirmed the truth she knew.
Matthew 14:36
There were many who simply touched Christ's clothes and were healed, including the famed woman...but they didn't just touch his clothes anywhere. Now some of today's believers may think nothing of this scene and say "well he was the Son of God so of course he had the power to heal", no giving a second thought as to what actually happened and what it means...they don't get any deeper understanding. They don't get any closer.
[Like Israel, truly they see The Majesty; they see the power of the mountain burning & quaking with fire, but they dare not climb higher or listen more intently.]
Whereas for those who study and practice those things God said NEVER to forget "throughout your generationS", they know there was much more to that scene than people simple touching Christ's clothes; that what he was wearing speaks volumes.
Numbers 15:38
Why blue? Well when Moses, Aaron & the 70 elders ascended higher up the mountain (that the "majority" wasn't allowed to touch) this is what they saw...
Exodus 24:10
The stone of heaven was blue...the very stone God's Throne was made out of...
Ezekiel 1:26
...The very stone on which God carved the FIRST copy of the tablets...
Exodus 24:12
...But the FIRST copy (from heaven) was broken (by Moses) because of the sin of God's people (that same "majority" at the base of the mountain who was barred from toughing it)...so then God commanded that Moses, a man, *himself had to write the SECOND copy* while God dictated to him *exactly* what was written on the first copy...only this time it was carved on stone Moses gets from the earth [btw, I think there's a GIGANTIC prophetic message right here].
Then Malachi prophesies...
Malachi 4:2
The people in the time of Christ *knew* the Hebrew scriptures & culture; they saw these connections. They knew that if Christ was the Messiah he would confirm the truth they already had from the scriptures...and because of what those tassels represent, even his clothes spoke the same confirmation.
This was revealed to me by studying the Hebrew [not Jewish] Roots of the faith
Matthew 7:13
And right after this, Christ goes on to talk about...
- The True vs. False Prophets (Matthew 7:15-20)
- The True vs. False Disciples (Matthew 7:20-23)
- The Wise vs. Foolish Builder Parable (Matthew 7:24-28)
...and right before Matthew 7:13 Christ is speaking about "asking, seeking & knocking" for the door (of I'm assuming the gift of knowledge about the truth) to be opened to us.
From the context given, Christ isn't talking about the unbelieving world who's on the broad road to destruction. While that would be true, those people are not the subject of his message. So this tells me that the *majority* of we professed believers have not found that small gate and narrow road...mathematically; logically. In other words, Christianity 'en totale' is (in its broadest understanding) we who haven't got it exactly right and who walk the broad road, while there's a "very small" percentage of Christians who do.
For instance, Christ had thousands of disciples, but only a few (12) continued to follow him...
Then out of the 12 who followed him, only fewer still (3) saw him in his kingdom ("transfiguration").
Now I'm not directly arguing for the Hebrew Roots *Movement* (because I don't exactly know what it entails) so much as I'm arguing for understanding the Hebrew Roots of the faith we all profess...notwithstanding, isn't it true that the "majority" of believers is the group that misses out (at least as far as Christ says)?
----
Here's an example of how understanding the *Hebrew Roots [NOT *Jewish Roots] opens understanding about Christ:
Matthew 9:20-22
She didn't just come to him because he was recognized as someone who had the power of healing, but came to him - not saying a word - and acted on her faith based on *something* she previously knew as truth ahead of him...and of course Christ confirmed the truth she knew.
Matthew 14:36
There were many who simply touched Christ's clothes and were healed, including the famed woman...but they didn't just touch his clothes anywhere. Now some of today's believers may think nothing of this scene and say "well he was the Son of God so of course he had the power to heal", no giving a second thought as to what actually happened and what it means...they don't get any deeper understanding. They don't get any closer.
[Like Israel, truly they see The Majesty; they see the power of the mountain burning & quaking with fire, but they dare not climb higher or listen more intently.]
Whereas for those who study and practice those things God said NEVER to forget "throughout your generationS", they know there was much more to that scene than people simple touching Christ's clothes; that what he was wearing speaks volumes.
Numbers 15:38
Why blue? Well when Moses, Aaron & the 70 elders ascended higher up the mountain (that the "majority" wasn't allowed to touch) this is what they saw...
Exodus 24:10
The stone of heaven was blue...the very stone God's Throne was made out of...
Ezekiel 1:26
...The very stone on which God carved the FIRST copy of the tablets...
Exodus 24:12
...But the FIRST copy (from heaven) was broken (by Moses) because of the sin of God's people (that same "majority" at the base of the mountain who was barred from toughing it)...so then God commanded that Moses, a man, *himself had to write the SECOND copy* while God dictated to him *exactly* what was written on the first copy...only this time it was carved on stone Moses gets from the earth [btw, I think there's a GIGANTIC prophetic message right here].
Then Malachi prophesies...
Malachi 4:2
The people in the time of Christ *knew* the Hebrew scriptures & culture; they saw these connections. They knew that if Christ was the Messiah he would confirm the truth they already had from the scriptures...and because of what those tassels represent, even his clothes spoke the same confirmation.
This was revealed to me by studying the Hebrew [not Jewish] Roots of the faith
Not to mention it would have been disobedience and death to do so (Ex 19:24).
But it was clear stone.
Assuming it was the stone used, which Scripture does not state, carvings into it would be hard to read.
Which were broken, and Moses supplied the stone for the second copy, which was like the first copy
(Dt 10:1), which indicates the first copy was just ordinary stone.
But tassels were worn on the prayer shawl.
That would mean the woman did not touch tassels, but the hem of his garment as the Scripture states.
And what did the tassels represent?
Here's the problem with the tassel thing, and which Scripture does not state the woman touched.
It's the same problem as with the brazen serpent on the pole thing,
and the same as the one dealt with in the commandment against images.
Those kinds of things end up representing God, becoming like idols, as did the brazen serpent on the pole, which King Hezekiah had to destroy because the Israelites were burning incense to it (2Kgs 18:4).
I'm thinkin' too much false gravity is being given to the meanings of their customs.
And I'm also thinkin' perhaps it would be better if you took your understanding of "closer and deeper" (above) from the word of God written rather than from Israel climbing higher up Mt. Sinai to listen more intently,
contrary to the command of God in the word written.
But it was clear stone.
Assuming it was the stone used, which Scripture does not state, carvings into it would be hard to read.
Which were broken, and Moses supplied the stone for the second copy, which was like the first copy
(Dt 10:1), which indicates the first copy was just ordinary stone.
But tassels were worn on the prayer shawl.
That would mean the woman did not touch tassels, but the hem of his garment as the Scripture states.
And what did the tassels represent?
Here's the problem with the tassel thing, and which Scripture does not state the woman touched.
It's the same problem as with the brazen serpent on the pole thing,
and the same as the one dealt with in the commandment against images.
Those kinds of things end up representing God, becoming like idols, as did the brazen serpent on the pole, which King Hezekiah had to destroy because the Israelites were burning incense to it (2Kgs 18:4).
I'm thinkin' too much false gravity is being given to the meanings of their customs.
And I'm also thinkin' perhaps it would be better if you took your understanding of "closer and deeper" (above) from the word of God written rather than from Israel climbing higher up Mt. Sinai to listen more intently,
contrary to the command of God in the word written.
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There's a particular prophecy that still remains (among others) and it has to do with the two sticks of Ezekiel 37
Judah (i.e. the Jews) always possessed "the law". While Ephraim, a mixed tribe of "God's people & Pagan people" (i.e. The Church) always represented "the blessings/fruitfulness" of God...prophesied by Jacob in Genesis 47. These two groups must marry to fulfill scripture. There are things one group will never understand without yielding to what was given to the other group.
Genesis 49:10
Christ rules at the right hand of the Father *until* his enemies are made his footstool (Heb 10:13); received up to heaven *until* the restoration of all things (Acts 3:2). God waits for obedience people; those who walk that narrow path right in the middle of both extremes.
Judah (i.e. the Jews) always possessed "the law". While Ephraim, a mixed tribe of "God's people & Pagan people" (i.e. The Church) always represented "the blessings/fruitfulness" of God...prophesied by Jacob in Genesis 47. These two groups must marry to fulfill scripture. There are things one group will never understand without yielding to what was given to the other group.
Genesis 49:10
Christ rules at the right hand of the Father *until* his enemies are made his footstool (Heb 10:13); received up to heaven *until* the restoration of all things (Acts 3:2). God waits for obedience people; those who walk that narrow path right in the middle of both extremes.
...I did mention they *weren't* allowed to touch it, Elin.
...but what does that have to do with the price of milk? But scripture *does* say it was the stone used; I gave the passage unaltered. It was sapphire. What color is sapphire? Reading in context from Exodus 24:10-12. This is why the ribbon was commanded to be blue.
??? No...it's doesn't. Deuteronomy 10:1 indicates that it would be *two stones* like the original. Context.
Where were prayer shawls - that *unlawfully* cover a MAN's head during prayer - commanded in scripture? You're confusing Jewish Roots (i.e from Judaism > from Pharisee-ism) with Hebrew Roots (i.e. from God's commands).
??????? First century Jews didn't sew hems in their clothing. They wore white garments like the one on the right...
In fact...Christ's garment was specifically said to be "seamless".
John 19:23
But the only close translation Greeks had to "Kanaph" was "hem". She grabbed own of his four tassels (that were waist length).
From the word of God written? ...like from the numerous passages of scripture that I leaned on and quoted in my post? Well I'll do better next time.
...but what does that have to do with the price of milk? But scripture *does* say it was the stone used; I gave the passage unaltered. It was sapphire. What color is sapphire? Reading in context from Exodus 24:10-12. This is why the ribbon was commanded to be blue.??? No...it's doesn't. Deuteronomy 10:1 indicates that it would be *two stones* like the original. Context.
Where were prayer shawls - that *unlawfully* cover a MAN's head during prayer - commanded in scripture? You're confusing Jewish Roots (i.e from Judaism > from Pharisee-ism) with Hebrew Roots (i.e. from God's commands).
??????? First century Jews didn't sew hems in their clothing. They wore white garments like the one on the right...
In fact...Christ's garment was specifically said to be "seamless".
John 19:23
But the only close translation Greeks had to "Kanaph" was "hem". She grabbed own of his four tassels (that were waist length).
From the word of God written? ...like from the numerous passages of scripture that I leaned on and quoted in my post? Well I'll do better next time
.Exactly right, HeRose. Judah was put in possession of the ark & law (authority) because of sin...and it MUST return to shiloh (Ephraim). That's why I quoted that verse "The scepter will not depart from Judah *UNTIL* shiloh." I'm glad you brought it up; speaks the same message.
But here's where we differ a bit...because Christ is the lion from Judah. And truly, while he distributed the "scepter" to his "obedient people" at Pentecost...there was a *break*, otherwise the kingdom of God would be now; a reality (we're talking glowing people & all...said with respect). Like his earthly predecessor (Perez) prophesied at his birth, there would be a breach period where authority returns to Christ and there would be a lack of "oil". What I'm talking about is the Genesis scene of Perez and Zerah's birth.
Zerah (Heb. = "light")
Perez (Heb. = "Breaker")
Genesis 38:27-30
Zerah was technically the first born, but Perez birthed first: Light > Break > Light.
The same is spoken of during Israel's time in the wilderness; at the beginning of their wilderness walk when they needed "water" they reached the rock at Meribah...it was struck to give them water (i.e. Christ)...then there was a time of wilderness walking where no water is spoken of. It was also at this time Judah was commanded to lead. Then at the end of their journey when they were about to enter the promise land they needed water again. But this time, the rock was meant to be spoken to only (but it was stuck). Water > Dryness > Water.
Only once Israel entered into the *promise* land was Judah *no longer* commanded to led.
We haven't entered into our promise yet Herose. We're still in the wilderness journey; the break period; the dry spell. So this means Christ/Judah still has the scepter, The Church/Ephraim is still blessed...but the obedient people (union of the two sticks) haven't yet emerged...not until the Son of Man returns and unites them in his hand.
You see what I mean?
But here's where we differ a bit...because Christ is the lion from Judah. And truly, while he distributed the "scepter" to his "obedient people" at Pentecost...there was a *break*, otherwise the kingdom of God would be now; a reality (we're talking glowing people & all...said with respect). Like his earthly predecessor (Perez) prophesied at his birth, there would be a breach period where authority returns to Christ and there would be a lack of "oil". What I'm talking about is the Genesis scene of Perez and Zerah's birth.
Zerah (Heb. = "light")
Perez (Heb. = "Breaker")
Genesis 38:27-30
Zerah was technically the first born, but Perez birthed first: Light > Break > Light.
The same is spoken of during Israel's time in the wilderness; at the beginning of their wilderness walk when they needed "water" they reached the rock at Meribah...it was struck to give them water (i.e. Christ)...then there was a time of wilderness walking where no water is spoken of. It was also at this time Judah was commanded to lead. Then at the end of their journey when they were about to enter the promise land they needed water again. But this time, the rock was meant to be spoken to only (but it was stuck). Water > Dryness > Water.
Only once Israel entered into the *promise* land was Judah *no longer* commanded to led.
We haven't entered into our promise yet Herose. We're still in the wilderness journey; the break period; the dry spell. So this means Christ/Judah still has the scepter, The Church/Ephraim is still blessed...but the obedient people (union of the two sticks) haven't yet emerged...not until the Son of Man returns and unites them in his hand.
You see what I mean?
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wow, Now I have heard everything.
so tell me. When did all these saved gentiles leave their land, and go to the place where God has restored them to their own land?
I did not know at pentecost that God brought all these people from there nations where they have gone, and returned them to their land. And made them one nation. In fact their is no mention of people leaving the nations at all at pentecost.
ez 37:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;
Own land? what land was ever promised to me? or any other Gentile believer for that matter?and why are we not living there if it occured at pentecost? Did God spread us throughout all the nations again because we sinned again?
According to Ez 37, That would never happen. Because our transgressions will BE NO MORE.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
so tell me. When did all these saved gentiles leave their land, and go to the place where God has restored them to their own land?
I did not know at pentecost that God brought all these people from there nations where they have gone, and returned them to their land. And made them one nation. In fact their is no mention of people leaving the nations at all at pentecost.
ez 37:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;
Own land? what land was ever promised to me? or any other Gentile believer for that matter?and why are we not living there if it occured at pentecost? Did God spread us throughout all the nations again because we sinned again?
According to Ez 37, That would never happen. Because our transgressions will BE NO MORE.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
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Hebrew roots is dangerous because it tries to re-establish the law and all of its ordinances (God made and man made) into the new covenant. They are the modern day pharisees. Who are trying tp lead people as you say through the wide gate, and not the narrow one. The gate of saving self by trying to please God, instead ofrealising we can never please God, and need him to save us.
Then Christ doesn't need to return, right? I'm not being cheeky. I'm asking. If the kingdom of God is now, then why are the prophecies of the wolf lying with the lamb, people 100yrs old considered young people, the nations coming to worship on the feast of tabernacles, etc. not a reality? Those are a few of the things that were promised in the kingdom, right?
I think you're reading more into that verse than is there. The scepter will never depart from Judah (Christ). When Jacob uttered that prophecy about Judah the scepter was with Ephraim because he was the firstborn. IMO, Jacob was prophesying in Genesis 49:10 that the headship would be split off from the birthright and given to Judah, which is what happened with David; and that it would remain with Judah until Christ, who has it forever. The Septuagint does not mention Shiloh, nor is the Hebrew spelling of the location Shiloh spelled the same as Shiloh in Genesis 49:10 in the Masoretic text.
those are Hebraic figures for eternity(New Jerusalem; New Heavens and Earth).
the Kingdom came with Jesus the First time.
it's already/not yet.
we're here as ambassadors of the Heavenly Zion; New Jerusalem...to carry out the King's Great Commission...in preparation for eternity.
Galatians 4:26
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
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Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings [CAESARS & HERODS], the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
Luke 11
19"And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? So they will be your judges. 20"But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 17
The Coming of the Kingdom
20Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
John 18
Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."
Hebrews 11:10
For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Hebrews 11:16
Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 12
A Kingdom That Cannot Be Shaken
18For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23and to the assemblya of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
28Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29for our God is a consuming fire.
Luke 12:32
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
Revelation 1:6
He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. All glory and power to him forever and ever! Amen.
Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
the Kingdom came with Jesus the First time.
it's already/not yet.
we're here as ambassadors of the Heavenly Zion; New Jerusalem...to carry out the King's Great Commission...in preparation for eternity.
Galatians 4:26
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
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Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings [CAESARS & HERODS], the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
Luke 11
19"And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? So they will be your judges. 20"But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 17
The Coming of the Kingdom
20Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
John 18
Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."
Hebrews 11:10
For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
Hebrews 11:16
Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 12
A Kingdom That Cannot Be Shaken
18For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23and to the assemblya of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
28Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29for our God is a consuming fire.
Luke 12:32
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
Revelation 1:6
He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. All glory and power to him forever and ever! Amen.
Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.