THE DAY OF THE LORD

[tanakh]

For the the lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain will shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air: and so we shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and seasons brethren ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night For when they say peace and safety: then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child and they shall not escape. But ye brethren
are not in darkness that the day overtake you as a thief. Ye are all children of light, and the children of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness Therefore let us not sleep as do others but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night and those that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us who are of the day be sober putting on the breastplate of faith and love and for an helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us us to wrath but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ who died for us that whether we wake or sleep we should live together with him.

II Thess 4 is a favorite proof text used for the Pre Trib rapture. But I notice that after he says ''Wherefore comfort one another with these words'' he is almost always gagged. The reason why is that he goes on in chapter five to mention the Day of the Lord. One popular belief is that the whole seven years of tribulation is the day of the Lord. This is not true. It is a specific period when the full wrath of God is poured out on the Earth and it is the time of the resurrection and the rapture. When Paul speaks about us not being appointed to wrath he is talking about that time not before the start of the tribulation. He is also talking about our salvation and by it not going to Hell. Compare the passages below
from Isaiah and Joel with what Jesus said in Matthew 24 about after the tribulation

II Thess 4:16 - 5:10

Behold the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light:
the Sun shall be darkened in his going forth and the Moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I shall punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity;and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible

Isa 13:9-11

Multitudes, Multitudes in the valley of decision for the DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision. The Sun and the Moon will be darkened and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Joel 3:14-15

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the Sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and then shall the tribes of the earth morn, and they shall see the Son of coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the four winds from
one end of heaven to the other.

Matt 24:29-31

 

[KJV1611]

Didn't the Day of the Lord happen in AD70? Jerusalem was desolated almost 2000 years ago.

Luke 21:20 KJV
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

 

[prove-all]

Isaiah 34:8 (KJV)
For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance,
and [the year] of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 (KJV)
To proclaim the acceptable [year] of the Lord,
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 63:4 (KJV)
For the day of vengeance is in mine heart,
and [the year] of my redeemed is come.

Proverbs 6:34 (KJV)
For jealousy is the rage of a man:
therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.

Luke 21:22 (KJV)
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Deuteronomy 32:35 (KJV)
To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide
in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things
that shall come upon them make haste.

 

[john832]

Didn't the Day of the Lord happen in AD70? Jerusalem was desolated almost 2000 years ago.

Luke 21:20 KJV
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Got a little problem there, the Abomination of Desolation was not set up and the church did not flee to a Place of Safety in AD70. Neither did the two witnesses prophesy, neither did Christ return 3-1/2 years later.

 

[prove-all]

End-Time Antiochus

This whole vision is about an evening and morning sacrifice in the temple.
The temple, today, is God’s Church (Ephesians 2:20-21).

Notice, here the daily is taken away because of transgression.
So this is a different event than in Daniel 12:11,

11Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him
the daily sacrifice was (taken away), and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by (reason of transgression),
and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

where there is a “daily” taken away because of righteousness—to the place of safety.
Also, in Daniel 12 an end-time Antiochus violently shatters the power of the holy people.

But here in Daniel 8, he subtly comes to the temple with flatteries.

“Yea, he magnified himself even to [margin reads ‘against’] the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered” (Daniel 8:11-12).

There are several things to note here. Verse 11 is speaking in military terms.
Someone, somewhere, has the gall to take on Jesus Christ, our military Commander.
Only Satan could motivate a man to operate so boldly.

Verse 12 says an army was given to Satan “against the daily.” By him the “daily”
was taken away. Just as in Daniel 12:11, “sacrifice” is in italics and should be left
out of the translation.

Anciently, the daily sacrifice was offered in the temple. Today, the temple is the Church—
so, again, the daily in prophecy refers to the sacrifice, or work, of the Church.


Daniel 8 is discussing transgression, truth being cast to the ground—a satanic host
practicing and prospering at destroying the daily, all from within the sanctuary,
God’s own Church.

This is not the destruction to occur in the Tribulation.
It’s going on within the Church before the Tribulation.

Inside the Church, a man is acting like God, magnifying himself even to the prince
of the host, casting truth to the ground. Satan is behind him.
This man took away the daily—the continual—the Work of God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Didn't the Day of the Lord happen in AD70? Jerusalem was desolated almost 2000 years ago.

Luke 21:20 KJV
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

That day happened for the nation of Judah in 70 AD, but there is a grand finale scheduled for all nations of the world.

 

[KJV1611]

Got a little problem there, the Abomination of Desolation was not set up and the church did not flee to a Place of Safety in AD70. Neither did the two witnesses prophesy, neither did Christ return 3-1/2 years later.

Can you show me from the bible exactly what the abomination that makes desolate is? Maybe you're not understanding what it is.

 

[JesusIsAll]

The composite view of the day of the Lord in scripture matches the time of Jacob's trouble, a period of time, also known as the tribulation period. For pre-millennialists, the fact the Lord comes as a thief in the night, at a time that was likened to the world before the flood of Noah's day or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah of Lot's day, that is, life going on as normal, then sudden calamity, the time of Jacob's trouble must be that same period of time. The reason for this is that one can look at specific prophecies of that tribulation period and see that, for instance, once the antichrist is revealed, you'd know you've entered the judgments of the apocalypse, could look at events unfolding and countdown the time to the return of the Lord for Armageddon: hence, no coming as thief, unexpectedly.

Much of Revelation is actually written to be most prominent in the eyes of people who will live and suffer those events of Revelation 6-19, this period of time a time of great revival, as people see those prophetic events unfolding. The day of the Lord must be properly viewed from the entirety of scripture, since passages of a few verses can only reveal fragmentary information, the whole picture spread throughout scripture.

The usual mistake that leads to not understanding the day of the Lord is to lift verses out of context of what the entire Bible has to say, isolating verses actually the source of most doctrinal error. The entirety of scripture needs to be in view to properly understand many doctrines, something that involves a lot of study. Even the nature of basic, saving faith is a composite picture of many New Testament verses.

If the Lord didn't expect us to study and dig for these things, the Bible would be a pamphlet. Unfortunately, much of what people write reflects a pamphlet view of scripture. "A text apart from its context is a pretext."

2 Timothy 2:15-16 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

 

[KJV1611]

Didn't the Day of the Lord happen in AD70? Jerusalem was desolated almost 2000 years ago.

Luke 21:20 KJV
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

After Jerusalem is encompassed and made desolate, a few verses down in Luke it says the Jews shall be led captive into all nations and Jerusalem will be trodden by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is up. How is that a future event, it took place in AD 70 and Jerusalem is still trodden down by the Genitles.

Luke 21:24 KJV
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

[KJV1611]

That day happened for the nation of Judah in 70 AD, but there is a grand finale scheduled for all nations of the world.

Where do you find the grand finale in the bible?

 

[Vdp]

The Day has not happened yet. This is what happens when uneducated people try to interpret the Bible. They always misinterpret it because they do not have the tools to properly interpret the Scriptures.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Didn't the Day of the Lord happen in AD70? Jerusalem was desolated almost 2000 years ago.

No

Luke 21:20 KJV
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Only one army destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. not armies.. even the plural in your KJV should have directed you to that truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you show me from the bible exactly what the abomination that makes desolate is? Maybe you're not understanding what it is.

According to the hebrew,

the word translated abomination means an unclean thing, or an idol

the word desolation means to be made unclean, or unusable'

Antiochus epiphenies made the most Holy place unclean (desolate) when he sacrificed a pig (unclean thing) in the temple holy of holy's

In 70 AD. The roman prince destroyed the city and sanctuary, He did not make it unclean, nor did he place an idol in the holy of holies (jesus said when you see it sitting in the holy place)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

After Jerusalem is encompassed and made desolate, a few verses down in Luke it says the Jews shall be led captive into all nations and Jerusalem will be trodden by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is up. How is that a future event, it took place in AD 70 and Jerusalem is still trodden down by the Genitles.

Luke 21:24 KJV
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Yet Jesus said in matt 24 and John says in revelation, they will be protected at this time.

Different events..

 

[KJV1611]

The composite view of the day of the Lord in scripture matches the time of Jacob's trouble, a period of time, also known as the tribulation period. For pre-millennialists, the fact the Lord comes as a thief in the night, at a time that was likened to the world before the flood of Noah's day or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah of Lot's day, that is, life going on as normal, then sudden calamity, the time of Jacob's trouble must be that same period of time. The reason for this is that one can look at specific prophecies of that tribulation period and see that, for instance, once the antichrist is revealed, you'd know you've entered the judgments of the apocalypse, could look at events unfolding and countdown the time to the return of the Lord for Armageddon: hence, no coming as thief, unexpectedly.

Much of Revelation is actually written to be most prominent in the eyes of people who will live and suffer those events of Revelation 6-19, this period of time a time of great revival, as people see those prophetic events unfolding. The day of the Lord must be properly viewed from the entirety of scripture, since passages of a few verses can only reveal fragmentary information, the whole picture spread throughout scripture.

The usual mistake that leads to not understanding the day of the Lord is to lift verses out of context of what the entire Bible has to say, isolating verses actually the source of most doctrinal error. The entirety of scripture needs to be in view to properly understand many doctrines, something that involves a lot of study. Even the nature of basic, saving faith is a composite picture of many New Testament verses.

If the Lord didn't expect us to study and dig for these things, the Bible would be a pamphlet. Unfortunately, much of what people write reflects a pamphlet view of scripture. "A text apart from its context is a pretext."

2 Timothy 2:15-16 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

The time of Jacob's trouble coincides with the time that the yoke of the law was taken from the Jacob's (Israel) neck. That happened when Christ came the first time didn't it"

Jeremiah 30:8 KJV
For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

 

[KJV1611]

Yet Jesus said in matt 24 and John says in revelation, they will be protected at this time.

Different events..

So you're saying that some time in the future the Jews are going to be led into captivity into all the nations. And this would take place in the "seven year tribulation" I assume.

 

[JesusIsAll]

The time of Jacob's trouble coincides with the time that the yoke of the law was taken from the Jacob's (Israel) neck. That happened when Christ came the first time didn't it"

Jeremiah 30:8 KJV
For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

No. Israel, the nation, is saved, after a time of great trouble, and goes on to be restored and serve the Lord in Jeremiah 30, all other nations broken. Carefully read the entire chapter. This has never happened, yet...

 

[KJV1611]

No. Israel, the nation, is saved, after a time of great trouble, and goes on to be restored and serve the Lord in Jeremiah 30, all other nations broken. Carefully read the entire chapter. This has never happened, yet...

What yoke is being being broken off during this time of great trouble?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The time of Jacob's trouble coincides with the time that the yoke of the law was taken from the Jacob's (Israel) neck. That happened when Christ came the first time didn't it"

It should have, But as paul said in romans, it was hidden from them in part. So the yoke of the law they are still entangled in.

Jeremiah 30:8 KJV
For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

This says strangers shall no more literally enslave them, Yet they have been enslaved by many nations, starting with syria and babylon, and have never been free. So Jeremiahs prophesy is not yet fulfilled.

 

[JesusIsAll]

What yoke is being being broken off during this time of great trouble?

Wars, persecutions, the hatred and threats of the nations, which brew as we speak. In the time of Jacob's trouble, the yoke of the antichrist, people fleeing, invasion, I think it's 2/3 of the people slain: the yoke of persecution, oppression and war, which becomes terribly amplified in the tribulation period.

Jews have pretty much only known a yoke of persecution, everywhere they've gone, since 70 AD. The European persecutions were a heavy yoke. Anyway, the Lord will come, they will turn to the Lord Jesus in belief, and He will put down their enemies and heal the land, aka the millennium, when the yoke will be lifted, and Israel will be the glory of the nations. Of course, this includes being free in Christ, the yoke of the Old Covenant, unbelieving, legalistic faith off Israel, with the scales being lifted from their eyes. (Though not an end to moral law, of course, and even some ceremonial activities spelled out in Ezekiel.)