THE DAY OF THE LORD

[KJV1611]

lol. Yes it would behove us to figure out what is left desolate Jerusalem. or a holy place (the holy of holy's in the temple)

Dan said the first little horn would do this, and he did, by sacrificing a pig. We have that as an example. of scripture being fulfilled.

Dan 11: [SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces[SUP][j][/SUP] shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

and if this is not enough, We have Jesus very own words.

Matt 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[SUP][c][/SUP] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

Luke 13 is not talking about the abomination which makes desolate. It speaks of a different event occurring for different reasons.

Next....

I think you're mistaking the holy place in Matthew for the shadow of the holy place. The shadows ended when Christ came. The real holy place is where the blood of the Lamb was sprinkled, the real holy place was the cross.

 

[tanakh]

from what i see in scripture...it appears that there is more than one 'day of the lord'...

it appears that the term refers to any day on which God has scheduled a catastrophic judgment of a particular nation or people...

So what which Day of the Lord was Christ and Paul talking about in the context of the passages? When do you think the stars fall from heaven and the Sun and Moon go dark?

 

[abcdef]

Brother tanakh,

There are several Days of the Lord in scripture.

Jer 46:1-12, v10, Against Egypt

Ezek 30:1-8, v3, Against Egypt, Ethiopia, Libya, Lydia, Chub

Notice the language in the following passages used to describe the Day,
See that they are taking about armies and war.

Isaiah 34:1-10 Against Idumea (Edom)

Isaiah 13:1-22, Against Babylon


Joel 2:1-11 Against Jerusalem, Peter said in Acts 2:16-20 that the Day of Pentecost was the fulfillment of this prophecy, before the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem. The Day of the Lord against Jerusalem was only 35 yrs away. Jesus had predicted it in Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 17, Lk 21. Then the times of the gentiles began (great tribulation) Lk 21.


Mal 4:5-6, Says that Elijah will come first. before the Day.

Matt 11:1-15,14 Jesus said John the Baptist was He.


When talking, people get these passages mixed up. They think Lk 21 and it's parallel passages are about the final Day of the Lord, and not the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem.

Ask yourself this, When is the final Day of the Lord.
Where is it described in scripture?
Think of the language used in the scriptures that you have just read (I hope you did).

Maybe the 6th seal in Rev might be one place to look. It can't be the final Day, which one is it?

See You in Heaven

Brother John

 

[vic1980]

In my ignorance I believed it was the Holy Spirit that supposed to help us interpret the Bible not a Degree from Oxford or Yale. I wonder how the Disciples managed or those Bereans. The only Apostle with a known education was Paul and he

wasn't very complimentary about his. But then Im not highly educated so what do I know?

God gives you wisdom to understand His word , agree you don't need a degree from Oxford or Yale, those degrees do not really matter nor do bible universities carry what is needed to understand scripture ,The HolySpirit that our LORD has given to all that believe in Him Teaches.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

Shalom

 

[tanakh]

Brother tanakh,

There are several Days of the Lord in scripture.

Jer 46:1-12, v10, Against Egypt

Ezek 30:1-8, v3, Against Egypt, Ethiopia, Libya, Lydia, Chub

Notice the language in the following passages used to describe the Day,
See that they are taking about armies and war.

Isaiah 34:1-10 Against Idumea (Edom)

Isaiah 13:1-22, Against Babylon


Joel 2:1-11 Against Jerusalem, Peter said in Acts 2:16-20 that the Day of Pentecost was the fulfillment of this prophecy, before the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem. The Day of the Lord against Jerusalem was only 35 yrs away. Jesus had predicted it in Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 17, Lk 21. Then the times of the gentiles began (great tribulation) Lk 21.


Mal 4:5-6, Says that Elijah will come first. before the Day.

Matt 11:1-15,14 Jesus said John the Baptist was He.


When talking, people get these passages mixed up. They think Lk 21 and it's parallel passages are about the final Day of the Lord, and not the Day of the Lord against Jerusalem.

Ask yourself this, When is the final Day of the Lord.
Where is it described in scripture?
Think of the language used in the scriptures that you have just read (I hope you did).

Maybe the 6th seal in Rev might be one place to look. It can't be the final Day, which one is it?

See You in Heaven

Brother John

I concede that the term is sometimes used as you have quoted. But the passages I quoted are not the same. When Paul spoke about the day it was linked as part of a conversation about the resurrection and rapture that was the subject he was writing about at that point in his epistle. Joel talks about multitudes not one country, and the great and terrible day of the Lord' Here is another quote from Joel .....

The earth shall quake before them, the heavens trembleth Sun and the Moon shall be dark and the stars will withdraw their shining. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great for he is strong and executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible who can abide it?

In the quote from Isaiah he says that God'' will punish the world for their evil '' not a selected country.

It is plain to me that these passages are not talking about a selective judgement against a particular country, city or group of people but against the whole of unbelieving humanity. That will be a great and terrible day of the Lord.

 

[DP]

This is an example of "the day of the LORD" in Jeremiah...

Jer 46:8-13
8 Egypt riseth up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof.
9 Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow.
10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that He may avenge Him of His adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
11 Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.
12 The nations have heard of thy shame, and thy cry hath filled the land: for the mighty man hath stumbled against the mighty, and they are fallen both together.
13 The word that the LORD spake to Jeremiah the prophet, how Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon should come and smite the land of Egypt.
KJV

That was historical.

However, it was about Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia, a nation alignment that's to occur again at the end of this world per Ezek.38 and Daniel 11. So this Jeremiah Scripture actually serves as a blueprint prophecy, just as Nebuchadnezzar as the king of Babylon God uses as symbolic for Lucifer in Isaiah 14, and as Tyrus in Ezek.28.

 

[KJV1611]

I concede that the term is sometimes used as you have quoted. But the passages I quoted are not the same. When Paul spoke about the day it was linked as part of a conversation about the resurrection and rapture that was the subject he was writing about at that point in his epistle. Joel talks about multitudes not one country, and the great and terrible day of the Lord' Here is another quote from Joel .....

The earth shall quake before them, the heavens trembleth Sun and the Moon shall be dark and the stars will withdraw their shining. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great for he is strong and executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible who can abide it?

In the quote from Isaiah he says that God'' will punish the world for their evil '' not a selected country.

It is plain to me that these passages are not talking about a selective judgement against a particular country, city or group of people but against the whole of unbelieving humanity. That will be a great and terrible day of the Lord.

Multitudes are the Gentiles... Gentiles choosing the Lord, that whole section of Joel is about the kingdom being taken from the Jews and given to the Gentiles. The sun, moon and stars are Israel.... they don't shine anymore.

Joel 3:14 KJV
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

 

[abcdef]

Brother tanakh,

In studying the scriptures you gave,

Isaiah 13:1-22, vs 1, 19, show that this refers to Babylon

Joel 3:1-17, vs 1,16,17 shows that this refers to Jerusalem

Lk 21, Matt 24, Mk 13 refers to Jerusalem (read Lk 21:20-24)


The final Day of the Lord,

You must really think about this,

In the prophetic time line where does the final Day of the Lord happen?

Is it associated with the resurrection and the appearance of Jesus? (yes)

Can we associate it with armies and war like all the other references?

If you are pre-trib, which resurrection would this be? The fire from heaven Rev 20 ?

What actually happens at the, FINAL, Day of the Lord? Is it the end, (final)? What happens after "the Day"?

God Bless You,

Brother John

 

[JesusIsAll]

I concede that the term is sometimes used as you have quoted. But the passages I quoted are not the same. When Paul spoke about the day it was linked as part of a conversation about the resurrection and rapture that was the subject he was writing about at that point in his epistle. Joel talks about multitudes not one country, and the great and terrible day of the Lord' Here is another quote from Joel .....

The earth shall quake before them, the heavens trembleth Sun and the Moon shall be dark and the stars will withdraw their shining. And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great for he is strong and executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible who can abide it?

In the quote from Isaiah he says that God'' will punish the world for their evil '' not a selected country.

It is plain to me that these passages are not talking about a selective judgement against a particular country, city or group of people but against the whole of unbelieving humanity. That will be a great and terrible day of the Lord.

It seems your primary interest, which is the interest of most of us, is of the day of the Lord of eschatological context in scripture. The worst of that day of the Lord would be what our Lord taught on in Matthew 24, which He referred to as the "great tribulation" in verse 21. Daniel 9:27 refers to the middle of Daniel's final week, Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months. Revelation 11:2-3, Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:11-12 also speak to this time period. The wars that precede the Lord's millennial reign, as well as actions of the Lord, are found in the Old Testament a plenty, not just Matthew 24-25 and Revelation. Isaiah 2 and 13 (which you refer to a good verse from as to proof of the global scale of events), Joel 2 and 3, Amos 5 and Zechariah 14 all have some juicy stuff as to the day of the Lord, yet to come. It's that latter half of Daniel's week I most think of, when considering the day of the Lord, though also believe the seals being opened of Revelation 6 begin that week of Daniel, the whole of that week God's judgment on the world, by first giving the world over to the antichrist, that this begins the sequence of tribulation period events.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Add to that Isaiah 34. There are also more discrete mentions, verses, scattered all over the place, that reference this time, too numerous to mention judgments of individual nations.

 

[DP]

Multitudes are the Gentiles... Gentiles choosing the Lord, that whole section of Joel is about the kingdom being taken from the Jews and given to the Gentiles. The sun, moon and stars are Israel.... they don't shine anymore.

Joel 3:14 KJV
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

Actually it's not happened yet. That valley of decision is marker covered in Isaiah for the very end when God ends the wicked upon this earth on the last day.

The Jer.46 example of 'the day of the Lord' is the only one you'll find that tends to point to some historical event. All the rest of the examples point to the very end like has already been shown by others here. 2 Peter 3:10 especially is one of the events to occur on the day of the Lord.

 

[tanakh]

These are a few more verses to consider.

And is the Fathers will which hath sent me that of all he given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again on the last day

John 6:39

And this is the will of him that sent me,that everyone which seeth the Son,and believeth on him,may have everlasting life and I will raise him up on the last day

John 6:40

No man can come to me,except the father which hath sent me draw him and I will raise him up on the last day

John 6:44

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood hath eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day

John 6:54

Jesus saith unto her thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day

John 11:23-24

According to Jesus the resurrection takes place on the last day. This cancels out Pre Trib and Mid Trib raptures,
because if it happened before or during the seven year tribulation period there would still be either seven or three and a half years remaining.
a half years remaining which cotradicts what Jesus said

 

[abcdef]

Brother tanakh, Post 52,

What a great post, thank you for sharing it!

Brother John

 

[Armini3]

well your spot on hope your intuition is tuned so you can guess who-(kingdom/leader) that someone/somewhere is already? that someone with a large military lets say 15 carrier groups with 90 planes per carrier 79 nuclear subs a fleet of stealth bombers, and fighters should narrow it down for ya....

End-Time Antiochus

This whole vision is about an evening and morning sacrifice in the temple.
The temple, today, is God’s Church (Ephesians 2:20-21).

Notice, here the daily is taken away because of transgression.
So this is a different event than in Daniel 12:11,

11Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him
the daily sacrifice was (taken away), and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by (reason of transgression),
and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

where there is a “daily” taken away because of righteousness—to the place of safety.
Also, in Daniel 12 an end-time Antiochus violently shatters the power of the holy people.

But here in Daniel 8, he subtly comes to the temple with flatteries.

“Yea, he magnified himself even to [margin reads ‘against’] the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered” (Daniel 8:11-12).

There are several things to note here. Verse 11 is speaking in military terms.
Someone, somewhere, has the gall to take on Jesus Christ, our military Commander.
Only Satan could motivate a man to operate so boldly.

Verse 12 says an army was given to Satan “against the daily.” By him the “daily”
was taken away. Just as in Daniel 12:11, “sacrifice” is in italics and should be left
out of the translation.

Anciently, the daily sacrifice was offered in the temple. Today, the temple is the Church—
so, again, the daily in prophecy refers to the sacrifice, or work, of the Church.


Daniel 8 is discussing transgression, truth being cast to the ground—a satanic host
practicing and prospering at destroying the daily, all from within the sanctuary,
God’s own Church.

This is not the destruction to occur in the Tribulation.
It’s going on within the Church before the Tribulation.

Inside the Church, a man is acting like God, magnifying himself even to the prince
of the host, casting truth to the ground. Satan is behind him.
This man took away the daily—the continual—the Work of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you're mistaking the holy place in Matthew for the shadow of the holy place. The shadows ended when Christ came. The real holy place is where the blood of the Lamb was sprinkled, the real holy place was the cross.

No, I am just taking Jesus at his word.

He said when that day came, they would see the abomination sitting in THE HOLY PLACE.

To a jew, that meant in the temple holy of holys.. which had not been an actual holy place for centuries (if it was, the high priest would have died the moment he entered, Gods presence left that room long before Christ was born, let alone, when he told the disciples about this event)

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

So what which Day of the Lord was Christ and Paul talking about in the context of the passages? When do you think the stars fall from heaven and the Sun and Moon go dark?

i do believe that judgment day is one of the days referred to as 'the day of the lord'...i just don't think it is the -only- day that is given this title...

so i think we need to be cautious in assuming that what is said about a certain 'day of the lord' in one part of scripture is talking about the same 'day of the lord' as another part of scripture...

there are several places in biblical exegesis where many interpreters have a tendency to lump scripture passages together as if they were all talking about the same thing...when really they are talking about more than one different thing...this is one of them...

 

[john832]

That day happened for the nation of Judah in 70 AD, but there is a grand finale scheduled for all nations of the world.

It only occurred in type. Notice to whom the Olivet Prophecy was given...

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Them who? Verse 1 the disciples.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

First of all, they came to Him privately, this was not address to the multitudes. Secondly, notice the timing of the questions?

When, and what would be the sign of His second coming and the end of the age.

Not AD70 but the second coming and the end of this present evil world (age). (See Gal 1:4)

 

[john832]

Can you show me from the bible exactly what the abomination that makes desolate is? Maybe you're not understanding what it is.

Actually, I think I do understand...

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

When? During the Roman invasion of Jerusalem? No, the latter time. The end time.

Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

When? At the time of the end. This present evil age has not come to an end, yet.

As a student of the KJV, you should know that there were no chapter breaks or verses in the original Hebrew here so let's read on...

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

When? During a time of trouble that has never been or will never be again. First of all, the revolt of Simon bar Kochba was far worse than AD70 and even worse than that was the time of Hitler and Stalin. Hitler killed around six million Jews, far more than AD70 and the bar Kochba revolt put together. Stalin even more, somewhere between 10 and 20 million depending on the sources you read.

But let's read on...

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

What was the original AoD? Antiochus IV Epiphanes sacrificed swine on the altar and erected a statue of Jupiter Olympus which made the Temple desolate of God's presence. So now, let's go back to the Olivet Prophecy...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

So what was the AoD? When A4E sacrificed swine on the altar and set up the statue of Jupiter Olympus. Christ said that at the time of the end, a time like had never been before and would never be again, when one sees the AoD that Daniel spoke of. He did not speak of the invasion of Jerusalem or the destruction of the Temple, He spoke of the desolation of the Temple because of swine blood on the altar and a statue of a pagan God erected.

Perhaps you should read the book of Daniel carefully and see if YOU know what the Abomination of Desolation really is.

 

[john832]

After Jerusalem is encompassed and made desolate, a few verses down in Luke it says the Jews shall be led captive into all nations and Jerusalem will be trodden by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is up. How is that a future event, it took place in AD 70 and Jerusalem is still trodden down by the Genitles.

Luke 21:24 KJV
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

You are completely ignoring...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Something has to stand where it ought not. See my above post.

 

[KJV1611]

Actually, I think I do understand...

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

When? During the Roman invasion of Jerusalem? No, the latter time. The end time.

The ram kingdom was the Medes and Persians, that kingdom was conquered by the rough goat kingdom which was Grecia. Grecia was divided up into four kingdoms and in the LATTER part of those four kingdoms a king of fierce countenance will rise up. Question, how do you put a king that rose to power around the time of Christ in the last days of earth?