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YOU SAID: show me 1 verse in the bible that says the soul is eternal with the 2 words actually linked together.
Better Yet, Show Me The Verse That Says That The Soul Sleeps At Death.
YOU SAID: show me 1 verse in the bible that says the soul is eternal with the 2 words actually linked together.
Better Yet, Show Me The Verse That Says That The Soul Sleeps At Death.
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When he opened the fifth seal., I saw under the alter the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and th testomony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice. 'How Long Soveriegn Lord until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our bood?' Then each of them was given a white robe and they were told to wait a little longer until the number of their fellow servants and brothers were to be killed
Rev 6:9-12
Then I saw a new Heaven and a new earth, for the first Heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from God prepared as a bride beautiffully dressed for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying
'Now(not before) the dwelling of God is with men
Rev21:1-3
Rev 6:9-12
Then I saw a new Heaven and a new earth, for the first Heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down out of Heaven from God prepared as a bride beautiffully dressed for her husband.
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying
'Now(not before) the dwelling of God is with men
Rev21:1-3
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CHESSER
YOU SAID: 1. oh wow, your going to pretend its not a parable?
Does Jesus alway's name names and quote historical figures in his parables?
I've said it once and I will say it again....If Abraham did not actually say the words that Jesus said that he said...Then Jesus is a liar.
YOU SAID: 1. oh wow, your going to pretend its not a parable?
Does Jesus alway's name names and quote historical figures in his parables?
I've said it once and I will say it again....If Abraham did not actually say the words that Jesus said that he said...Then Jesus is a liar.
I agree the names are interesting to note. Although if we look at the names they take on a meaning to the pharisees who are hearing the message from Jesus. Lazarus. Gr. Lazaros, a name derived from the common Hebrew name ’El‘azar (see on Ex. 6:23), which means “God has helped.” It is to be observed that the name is most appropriate to the spiritual condition of the man in the parable who bears it. Now if you where a pharisee and was hearing this you would ask your self why would God help a poor man because back then a poor man was not considered bless by God. And much worse why did he go to heaven and not hell!! surly God was teaching them to be rich is nothing but to be helped by God is everything. Now it also talks about Abraham, Father Abraham. Apparently, according to the parable, Abraham is presented as presiding over hadēs (see on v. 23). The rich man addresses Abraham as if he were God. The sufferer is a descendant of the patriarch, and appeals to him as a son to a father. And Jesus was quoting Luke 6:24. "remember that that your lifetime you received your good things" so in the end resting in Abraham's bosom is a example of resting in God.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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Once we die, we are with the Lord in timeless eternity. Back here on earth, where everyone is still constrained by time, it appears that our body is still in the grave, or dust. God and Heaven are beyond time, just as we will be immediately at death. There's not waiting, no sleeping. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
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Once we die, we are with the Lord in timeless eternity. Back here on earth, where everyone is still constrained by time, it appears that our body is still in the grave, or dust. God and Heaven are beyond time, just as we will be immediately at death. There's not waiting, no sleeping. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Look at what you said And I quote "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"
But here is the real verse 2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
hmmm I do notice a differences here. You say and I quote "To be" but the bible dos not hmm it says "We are confident (comma) I say willing rather to be be absent" Meaning he would rather be absent from the body'', not that you will be absent at death. When Jesus comes back yes we will be with the lord but then and only then because this is in the context of the resurrection. Its seems you added words to fit what you believe to be true?
Oh P.S don't advertise books here they ask people not to do that in the rules.
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Souls under the altar is symbolic.
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Some people believe that the "man" Paul is referring to here is himself. Some believe that he may have been stoned about 14 years prior to this, which means he may have had a near death experience. Nevertheless, regardless of how this event came about, Paul makes it clear that he may have been out of his body.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
So if he was absent from his body in the above verses then it confirms the natural interpretations of the following verses. Why would Paul be hoping for things that are not possible? As Christians with don't concern ourselves with false hopes.
Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
So if he was absent from his body in the above verses then it confirms the natural interpretations of the following verses. Why would Paul be hoping for things that are not possible? As Christians with don't concern ourselves with false hopes.
Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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Again, just a mistreatment of Scripture with no context. There is nothing in that chapter that gives any support of the souls of martyrs who were slain for their testimony being "symbolic." They are the souls of real people, who are conscious and speak to God with a specific demand relating to their deaths. And God responds. They are obviously really there and this is not symbolic language.
Again, just a mistreatment of Scripture with no context. There is nothing in that chapter that gives any support of the souls of martyrs who were slain for their testimony being "symbolic." They are the souls of real people, who are conscious and speak to God with a specific demand relating to their deaths. And God responds. They are obviously really there and this is not symbolic language.
According to John God will live with man when the old Heaven and earth has passed away and the New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven from God. I do not believe that has happened yet
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all of the verses used against soul comaism(or whatever) talk only of saved people(theif on the cross,moses, Elijah,paul,etc.)(with the exception of the rich man but thats in a parable so i dont accept it as evidence) but for the wicked, it is clear that the wicked wont be tossed into the eternal fire until the end of the age:
Matthew 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age."
Matthew 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age."
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all of the verses used against soul comaism(or whatever) talk only of saved people(theif on the cross,moses, Elijah,paul,etc.)(with the exception of the rich man but thats in a parable so i dont accept it as evidence) but for the wicked, it is clear that the wicked wont be tossed into the eternal fire until the end of the age:
Matthew 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age."
Matthew 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age."
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CHESSER
YOU SAID: 1. oh wow, your going to pretend its not a parable?
Does Jesus alway's name names and quote historical figures in his parables?
I've said it once and I will say it again....If Abraham did not actually say the words that Jesus said that he said...Then Jesus is a liar.
YOU SAID: 1. oh wow, your going to pretend its not a parable?
Does Jesus alway's name names and quote historical figures in his parables?
I've said it once and I will say it again....If Abraham did not actually say the words that Jesus said that he said...Then Jesus is a liar.
C
hades literally means the grave
Something I just found through google
SHEOL/HADES: THE PRESENT HELL
Scripture passages in which Gehenna is used should be distinguished from those using Hades, which refers to a place of temporary torment that we might refer to as the immediate, or present, Hell. What we mean by this is that, at the time of death, the souls of the lost go directly to Hades, where they suffer in torment until the time of the Great White Throne Judgment when they will be resurrected and cast into the Lake of Fire. The souls of all the lost who have already died are presently there and those who die in their sins immediately go there to join them.
Hades is the New Testament equivalent of the Old Testament word Sheol. The Greek and Hebrew words speak of the same place, the present Hell. However, this is problematic because Sheol has been translated "grave" as often as it has "hell" and some have mistakenly taught that Sheol and Hades are only references to the grave rather than Hell. This erroneous teaching leads to the denial of the existence of an immediate or present Hell. The false doctrine of soul-sleep, and other ideas that teach the unconscious state of the dead between death and resurrection, spring from this error.
The common word for "grave" in the Old Testament is queber. Of the sixty-four times it is used, it is translated "grave" thirty-four times, "sepulcher" twenty-six times, and "burying place" four times. Queber is used five additional times as part of a place name, Kibroth-hattaavah, which means "graves of lust." As we said earlier, Sheol is found sixty-four times, being rendered "grave" thirty-one times, "hell" thirty-one times, and "pit" three times.
A comparison of how Sheol and queber are used reveals eight points of contrast that tell us that they are not the same thing.
1. Sheol is never used in plural form. Queber is used in the plural 29 times.
2. It is never said that the body goes to Sheol. Queber speaks of the body going there 37 times.
3. Sheol is never said to be located on the face of the earth. Queber is mentioned 32 times as being located on the earth.
4. An individual's Sheol is never mentioned. An individual's queber is mentioned 5 times.
5. Man is never said to put anyone into Sheol. Individuals are put into a queber by man (33 times).
6. Man is never said to have dug or fashioned a Sheol. Man is said to have dug, or fashioned, a queber (6 times).
7. Man is never said to have touched Sheol. Man touches, or can touch, a queber (5 times).
8. It is never said that man is able to possess a Sheol. Man is spoken of as being able to possess a queber (7 times). (These eight points of comparison are adapted from "Life and Death" by Caleb J. Baker, Bible Institute Colportage Ass'n, 1941).
From the differences between how Sheol and queber are used in Scripture, it is obvious that they are not the same thing. The Greek word Hades in the New Testament would fit into the Sheol column of our chart, strongly indicating that it is the same thing as Sheol. Hades is used eleven times, being rendered Hell ten times and grave once.
Words associated with queber are quabar and qeburah. Quabar is a verb meaning to bury or to be buried and qeburah is a noun meaning a grave or place of burial. The use of these related words helps to reinforce the difference between queber and Sheol, as they clearly have to do with the grave as a burial place, while Sheol does not.
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The Bible says this
Psalms 146:4
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
(10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Even though the Bible says this people try to change the meaning of it to mean the opposite. It is not good to use verses to counteract verses, we need to first address the verses at hand.
Psalms 146:4
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
(10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Even though the Bible says this people try to change the meaning of it to mean the opposite. It is not good to use verses to counteract verses, we need to first address the verses at hand.
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The Bible says this
Psalms 146:4
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
(10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Even though the Bible says this people try to change the meaning of it to mean the opposite. It is not good to use verses to counteract verses, we need to first address the verses at hand.
Psalms 146:4
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
(10) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Even though the Bible says this people try to change the meaning of it to mean the opposite. It is not good to use verses to counteract verses, we need to first address the verses at hand.
Ever notice how people who defend soul sleep seem to always go to the old testament to prove their point and people who refute it seem to always go to the new testament? I think they had a greater more broader revelation about death in the new testament.