The dead do not Praise God

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Laodicea

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Psalms 115:17 KJV
(17) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalms 146:4 KJV
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 KJV
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
 
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MrBrightside

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and where are u going with this?
 
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Laodicea

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The texts are clear
 
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That is correct. NOTHING dead can praise the Lord.


But ALL of the living DO!

Psalms 150

150*Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2*Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3*Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4*Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5*Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6*Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
 
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Laodicea

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Re: The Dead do not Praise God

Yes only those who have breath can pray to God the Bible says when we die the spirit (breath of life) goes back to God who gave it. That means Jonah could not have prayed to God if he was dead.
 
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31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching. Mathew 22:31-33

How is it that Abraham, Issac and Jacob are all dead yet the voice from the burning bush says "I am (present tense) The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob". Then Jesus adds. God is the God of the living not the dead. This passage is very clear to anyone with an open mind. Our bodies die but our spirit lives on. (2Cor.5:8) With out a spirit that survives death there can be no resurrection but becomes a re-creation or a copy of another body.
 
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Laodicea

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danschance said:
31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching. Mathew 22:31-33

How is it that Abraham, Issac and Jacob are all dead yet the voice from the burning bush says "I am (present tense) The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob". Then Jesus adds. God is the God of the living not the dead. This passage is very clear to anyone with an open mind. Our bodies die but our spirit lives on. (2Cor.5:8) With out a spirit that survives death there can be no resurrection but becomes a re-creation or a copy of another body.
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We cannot use scripture to counteract scripture for that is an incorrect way to study. The text I quoted before says the dead do not praise the Lord and that must be taken into account when looking at the scripture you have quoted.

A person when dead although they do not know anything or praise the Lord but to God it is as though they are alive. God does not forget His people and when He returns His people will be resurrected with the same character but with a new body one like Christ after the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 KJV
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


 
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That was old testament ! All went to hell then ! Now we go to heaven right away !

2Co_5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Rev_6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Php_1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
 
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This text is for dead,but u must know who are the dead and who are alive.U must understand that this verse do not mean on phisical dead but spiritualy.
 
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Laodicea said:
We cannot use scripture to counteract scripture for that is an incorrect way to study.
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Then perhaps you should find harmany with what you find to be contradictive, knowing that Scripture does not contradict itself.

Let the dead bury the dead.
We are alive in Christ. God is the God of the living.

Perhaps the living is the living and God hears them and the dead is the dead and their prayers are not heard?
 
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Laodicea We can not use scripture to counterct scripture.

Scripture does not counteract scripture. The bible has One Divine Author and the whole of scripture is in complete harmony. I was merely showing you a verse which completely contradicts your own interpretation of Eccl. 9:5.So when one verse contradicts another we must look deeper for a solution.

You frequently quote eccl. 9:5 saying "..the dead know nothing.." but you never quoate the rest of that passage or it's context..

5 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun

Notice how they know nothing... under the sun. This proves the author of this passage is showing us a worldly view point. From our earthly perspective the dead do in fact know nothing, but we see from scripture many scriptures that show the spirit of man does in deed survive death.
 
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Laodicea We can not use scripture to counterct scripture.

Scripture does not counteract scripture. The bible has One Divine Author and the whole of scripture is in complete harmony. I was merely showing you a verse which completely contradicts your own interpretation of Eccl. 9:5.So when one verse contradicts another we must look deeper for a solution.

You frequently quote eccl. 9:5 saying "..the dead know nothing.." but you never quoate the rest of that passage or it's context..

5 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun

Notice how they know nothing... under the sun. This proves the author of this passage is showing us a worldly view point. From our earthly perspective the dead do in fact know nothing, but we see from scripture many scriptures that show the spirit of man does in deed survive death.
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All you have done is to use your own opinion to interpret the Bible making it invalid. Use the Bible to interpret the Bible.
 
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Laodicea

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cfultz3 said:
Then perhaps you should find harmany with what you find to be contradictive, knowing that Scripture does not contradict itself.

Let the dead bury the dead.
We are alive in Christ. God is the God of the living.

Perhaps the living is the living and God hears them and the dead is the dead and their prayers are not heard?
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There is no maybe and perhaps it is either yes or no. Use the Bible.
 
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Laodicea

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spirit1st said:
That was old testament ! All went to hell then ! Now we go to heaven right away !

2Co_5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Rev_6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Php_1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
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Where does it say they went straight to hell in the OT? I notice that in Corinthians you only quote some verses and not all.
2 Corinthians 5:1-4 KJV
(1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
(2) For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
(3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
(4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Read the context if our earthly house is dissolved or meaning we die then we have a building made of God a new body and verse 4 says mortality is swallowed up in life and when does that happen? According to verses I quoted earlier from 1 Corinthians 15 it happens at the last trump.
 
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Laodicea

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spirit1st said:
That was old testament ! All went to hell then ! Now we go to heaven right away !

2Co_5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co_5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Rev_6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Php_1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
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As for your texts in Revelation what is the time period? Are you assuming that it is straight after people die and are interpreting it according to that. Chapter 6 mentions tribulation and then in the end of chapter 6 it has the coming of Christ so that places the time period for chapter 7 after the coming of Christ.

As for Philippians it does not say that we go to heaven immediately when we die.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53 KJV
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
 
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Laodicea said:
Where does it say they went straight to hell in the OT? I notice that in Corinthians you only quote some verses and not all.
2 Corinthians 5:1-4 KJV
(1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
(2) For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
(3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
(4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Read the context if our earthly house is dissolved or meaning we die then we have a building made of God a new body and verse 4 says mortality is swallowed up in life and when does that happen? According to verses I quoted earlier from 1 Corinthians 15 it happens at the last trump.
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The last trump for any individual is death. Jesus is no longer in the grave and neither are we.
 
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PatientSpirit said:
The last trump for any individual is death. Jesus is no longer in the grave and neither are we.
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John 6:39-40 KJV
(39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
(40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

These texts are clear from the words of Jesus, the last day and since we are still here then the last day has not happened and people are not raised up yet. Use the Bible to interpret the Bible.
 
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Laodicea said:
John 6:39-40 KJV
(39) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
(40) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

These texts are clear from the words of Jesus, the last day and since we are still here then the last day has not happened and people are not raised up yet. Use the Bible to interpret the Bible.
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Really?

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
 
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