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L
All you are doing is giving your own opinion and are trying to pass it off as truth. You are ignoring the Bible texts I have put on and are trying to counteract them with your own opinion. First you need to explain with the Bible not your opinion the fact that both Jesus and Paul said that death is a sleep. Then if you have any questions about any Bible text show the text then ask the question. If you are going to continue to use just your own opinion and not give any Bible then there is no point in continuing. Do not try to counteract the Bible texts I have put on with other Bible texts for then all you are doing is making the Bible look like it contradicts itself.
C
Show me where I have given you my opinion.
Did not Jesus go to Hades? For what purpose? Who were they who walked the earth with Him when He was resurrected?
Is it not said that God is the God of the living? Is it not said that we are alive in Chrsit?
Perhaps I will just leave you to your own imagination.
Did not Jesus go to Hades? For what purpose? Who were they who walked the earth with Him when He was resurrected?
Is it not said that God is the God of the living? Is it not said that we are alive in Chrsit?
Perhaps I will just leave you to your own imagination.
The bible never contradicts it self, we have shown you scripture and tried to reason with you. When you think the bible contradicts it self it means you do not get it, and need guidance. Your case is that you are correct and every one else is wrong so you claim infallibility of the truth which no one else has. One day you will understand what we are trying to explain, as I have also taken time to understand other issues, which just like you are now I was. I do not know much but what I have learn I feel strong about. God Bless!
L
You people have not shown any scripture, you people have not explained the Bible texts I have put up by using the Bible itself. All you have done is give your own opinion. It is not a case that I am right and everyone else is wrong, it is a case that you people are not explaining the Bible by using the Bible. Jesus and Paul clearly state death as a sleep as do other Bible writers. The Bible clearly states the dead do not praise God. I am willing to listen to the Bible but, will never be convinced by peoples opinions.
No scriptures? Go back and check my posts maybe you have not read them. Moses and Elijah, St. Paul own words. You see if this contradicts what you claim, maybe you don't understand one side of the discussion. I can not reason your explanations nor you can ours. It is just best ti let it marinate for a while.
L
What change takes place at death?
Psalms 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:6
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Psalms 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to the earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:6
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
L
1 Kings 2:10
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 15:8
(8) And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 16:28
(28) So Omri slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria: and Ahab his son reigned in his stead.
New Testament
John 11:11-14
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Mark 5:35-39
(35) While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
(36) As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
(37) And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
(38) And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
(39) And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
1 Corinthians 15:51
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
People will be woken when Jesus returns
Daniel 12:2
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 15:8
(8) And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 16:28
(28) So Omri slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria: and Ahab his son reigned in his stead.
New Testament
John 11:11-14
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Mark 5:35-39
(35) While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
(36) As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
(37) And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
(38) And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
(39) And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
1 Corinthians 15:51
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
People will be woken when Jesus returns
Daniel 12:2
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
L
Psalms 115:17 KJV
(17) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalms 146:4 KJV
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 KJV
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
(17) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalms 146:4 KJV
(4) His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 KJV
(5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
(6) Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
W
This is why Ecclesiastes 7:1 says: "A good name is better than fine perfume, and the day of death better than the day of birth.
At birth we have no reputation, no name with God in loyalty or worship. We develop a good name with God in time through our actions. When we die with a good name with him we are assured of a resurrection.
At birth we have no reputation, no name with God in loyalty or worship. We develop a good name with God in time through our actions. When we die with a good name with him we are assured of a resurrection.
L
John 11:25-26 ISV
(25) Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live.
(26) Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?"
John 5:29 KJV
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Revelation 20:5-6 KJV
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
(6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
(25) Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live.
(26) Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?"
John 5:29 KJV
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Revelation 20:5-6 KJV
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
(6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
J
many times i come into the forums and am completely overwhelmed by the lengthy dissertations i find here. i seldom read them or at least i quit before i get to the end. wouldn't it be more prudent to make your point concisely with references to your resource materials for those that are interested in finding the truth for themselves. a few quotes are reasonable but no one is going to simply take someone elses word for it without checking the source materials anyway. i'm not gaining much by skipping you over and i hardly think i'm the only one. why bother writing it if it's not likely to be read.
