The Dead walking out of their Tombs

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Aerials1978

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If you're saying ''there is no eternal conscious torment in a place called hell'' I disagree .. Hell will be full and not Gods fault but their own ..
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

garee

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If you're saying ''there is no eternal conscious torment in a place called hell'' I disagree .. Hell will be full and not Gods fault but their own ..
The Bible defines hell by reason of one suffering , Not by reason of dead returning the dust . The breath of life was subject to the law of God . Not the law as false prophecy of the father of lies. "you shalt not die".

God does not accept dead sacrifices that have no spirit life. According to His law. The lifeless spiritless literal blood must be poured out to show spirit life was given.

Hell became the source of a living sacrifice the work of two . As the Son cried out for strength the father sent His words of encouragement (angels wings of the wind) that His word strengthen him to finish the good work of the two working together.

The work of faith, a labor of our Savior's love and great mercy .

The gospel in a parable below

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Hell = a living affliction by reason of suffering . . . . . . Jesus cried out. . .The father poured out

Peace = .pouring out of ones spirit life in jeopardy of ones own . The peace of God that surpasses our understanding .He give us His understanding so we can hear what He says to the churches. .

The same hell Cain could not bear the punishment when God increased the load. He became a restless wanderer having no sabbath rest in his suffering.(No faith) He became the man of the mark and was assigned a number as a beast of the field of clay. .
 

bojack

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#43
The Bible defines hell by reason of one suffering , Not by reason of dead returning the dust . The breath of life was subject to the law of God . Not the law as false prophecy of the father of lies. "you shalt not die".

God does not accept dead sacrifices that have no spirit life. According to His law. The lifeless spiritless literal blood must be poured out to show spirit life was given.

Hell became the source of a living sacrifice the work of two . As the Son cried out for strength the father sent His words of encouragement (angels wings of the wind) that His word strengthen him to finish the good work of the two working together.

The work of faith, a labor of our Savior's love and great mercy .

The gospel in a parable below

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Hell = a living affliction by reason of suffering . . . . . . Jesus cried out. . .The father poured out

Peace = .pouring out of ones spirit life in jeopardy of ones own . The peace of God that surpasses our understanding .He give us His understanding so we can hear what He says to the churches. .

The same hell Cain could not bear the punishment when God increased the load. He became a restless wanderer having no sabbath rest in his suffering.(No faith) He became the man of the mark and was assigned a number as a beast of the field of clay. .
I don't know what you're saying .. If an evil man disregards Jesus , spends his life lying . stealing cheating on occasion to get rich and has all the comforts of life even good health to an old age , then one day walks under a falling piano .. Does he skate from God's wrath and justice ?
 

UnoiAmarah

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The same hell Cain could not bear the punishment when God increased the load .
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

So what does the Church doctrine say about the omnipresence of God if the land of Nod, being on the east side of Eden wasn't in the presence of God?

But anyways my point being that I thought God put the load on Ainhe?

He became a restless wanderer having no sabbath rest in his suffering.(No faith)
Are you sure he was restless because of his wandering? :unsure:
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
He might have been restless from building a city... :eek:

He became the man of the mark and was assigned a number as a beast of the field of clay. .
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:15

Of course that was silly if God only made one man, and if that man had two sons, one of whom was deceased and he was the other. There wouldn't have been anyone else in Eden to have slay him. Well, except the man who would have no mark, or belly button if you will, and that was the son of God, Adam.

Then again, what about the passage in Ps 37:37 wherein it is written, Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright:

But as far as being a beast of the field of clay, Adam was driven out of the garden which was planted eastward in Eden, being the place where he put the man he had formed. So if the land of Nod was located on the east side of Eden, then wouldn't Cain have been back in the garden or is the garden of Eden that field of clay?
 

garee

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#45
I don't know what you're saying .. If an evil man disregards Jesus , spends his life lying . stealing cheating on occasion to get rich and has all the comforts of life even good health to an old age , then one day walks under a falling piano .. Does he skate from God's wrath and justice ?
Actually he through the gospel of faith unseen to the same. Faith to faith .Not sight to sight. He suffers through it .

In that way He reveals the wrath as in dying you will be dead. The one wage of sin

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman 17-20
 

garee

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#46
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

So what does the Church doctrine say about the omnipresence of God if the land of Nod, being on the east side of Eden wasn't in the presence of God?

But anyways my point being that I thought God put the load on Ainhe?

Are you sure he was restless because of his wandering? :unsure:
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
He might have been restless from building a city... :eek:
Hi thanks for the reply.

Restless wanderer has more to do with unbelief. Or no sabbath rest. The load had increased to more than Cain could bear when he killed the first martyr Abel . A suffering only Christ could and did bear for the believer ,the sabbath rest, a future hope beyond the grave. .

Cain would have to work harder to maintain a life of suffering. It was like he was hoping he would be killed by those who did believe in God. Always watching his back. But God said no and assigned a number as the mark of Cain to represent mankind as a beast of the field. 666 . Cain like Esau both first born had no interest in the unseen things of God . No faith called a evil generation.
Esau sold his birth rite for a cup of soup. Cain for little peace put an end of hearing the gospel from his brother. Plowed Abel under .
Out of sight out of mind religion (666)

Of course that was silly if God only made one man, and if that man had two sons, one of whom was deceased and he was the other. There wouldn't have been anyone else in Eden to have slay him. Well, except the man who would have no mark, or belly button if you will, and that was the son of God, Adam.

Then again, what about the passage in Ps 37:37 wherein it is written, Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright:
Some are marked as restless wanders others as new creatures Those whose kingdoms is not of this world are those who walk by faith the unseen eternal. They are marked with seal .

Revelation 9:4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
 

Blik

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#47
It seems so clear to me, I am amazed that anyone sees this passage differently.

In the OT, there is no word that physical death meant that they lived on in heaven, only that they slept or were with their fathers. Yet we are told of God's grace and salvation of OT Saints. God saved them, but it was at the physical death of Christ that these saints were alive. The thief on the cross did not sleep as the OT people did, but went to heaven to live on.

Christ overcame death for us, and the OT saints were made alive and went to heaven as soon as Christ perfected salvation. Salvation became not sleep as it was, but life.
 

garee

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#48
It seems so clear to me, I am amazed that anyone sees this passage differently.

In the OT, there is no word that physical death meant that they lived on in heaven, only that they slept or were with their fathers. Yet we are told of God's grace and salvation of OT Saints. God saved them, but it was at the physical death of Christ that these saints were alive. The thief on the cross did not sleep as the OT people did, but went to heaven to live on.

Christ overcame death for us, and the OT saints were made alive and went to heaven as soon as Christ perfected salvation. Salvation became not sleep as it was, but life.

They new incorruptible spirits were dead asleep and when the vail was rent it transferred those spirits from the grave to the mansion of many rooms. The sleep continues until the last day when those asleep and those reigning with the gospel of Christ on earth join together and receive the promised new incorruptible body.
 

bojack

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#49
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

So what does the Church doctrine say about the omnipresence of God if the land of Nod, being on the east side of Eden wasn't in the presence of God?

But anyways my point being that I thought God put the load on Ainhe?



Are you sure he was restless because of his wandering? :unsure:
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
He might have been restless from building a city... :eek:



And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:15

Of course that was silly if God only made one man, and if that man had two sons, one of whom was deceased and he was the other. There wouldn't have been anyone else in Eden to have slay him. Well, except the man who would have no mark, or belly button if you will, and that was the son of God, Adam.

Then again, what about the passage in Ps 37:37 wherein it is written, Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright:

But as far as being a beast of the field of clay, Adam was driven out of the garden which was planted eastward in Eden, being the place where he put the man he had formed. So if the land of Nod was located on the east side of Eden, then wouldn't Cain have been back in the garden or is the garden of Eden that field of clay?
God placed a Cheribum with a flashing sword to guard and prevent anyone from re-entering The Garden
 

Blik

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They new incorruptible spirits were dead asleep and when the vail was rent it transferred those spirits from the grave to the mansion of many rooms. The sleep continues until the last day when those asleep and those reigning with the gospel of Christ on earth join together and receive the promised new incorruptible body.
Huh!!?? Speak English, please. "new incorruptible spirits? Mansion of many rooms?
 

JaumeJ

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We are taught that those who sleep in the Hope of Jesus, Yeshua will be taken up to Him on the clouds when He returns first, then those who are yet standing in the flesh...
 

Aerials1978

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Huh!!?? Speak English, please. "new incorruptible spirits? Mansion of many rooms?
Yeah, I’m having a difficult time following these posts as well.
 

Blik

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#53
God placed a Cheribum with a flashing sword to guard and prevent anyone from re-entering The Garden
The spirits walked (literally) the streets, without any flashing swords. They were bodies of people who had been alive, as we will be at our physical death, as the thief was who was crucified with Christ. They walked with no swords in hand. They were bodies of holy people who had died.

These scriptures prove that the OT statements that God offered salvation (though limited as sleep) before Christ are correct. Scripture tells us that salvation required blood, and we know now that the blood required was the blood of Christ. Animal blood was symbolic of the true blood required.
 

JaumeJ

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#54
It is quite possible that English is a second language for many who people this forum, after all, it is international.
 

bojack

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The spirits walked (literally) the streets, without any flashing swords. They were bodies of people who had been alive, as we will be at our physical death, as the thief was who was crucified with Christ. They walked with no swords in hand. They were bodies of holy people who had died.

These scriptures prove that the OT statements that God offered salvation (though limited as sleep) before Christ are correct. Scripture tells us that salvation required blood, and we know now that the blood required was the blood of Christ. Animal blood was symbolic of the true blood required.
I agree, my post was a response to another poster about Cain and why he or anyone else would have not been allowed back in The Garden alive in this life ..
 

bojack

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The spirits walked (literally) the streets, without any flashing swords. They were bodies of people who had been alive, as we will be at our physical death, as the thief was who was crucified with Christ. They walked with no swords in hand. They were bodies of holy people who had died.

These scriptures prove that the OT statements that God offered salvation (though limited as sleep) before Christ are correct. Scripture tells us that salvation required blood, and we know now that the blood required was the blood of Christ. Animal blood was symbolic of the true blood required.
Yes, the OT Saints were being held in Paradise in comfort until Jesus finished His work on the cross ..
 

garee

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The spirits walked (literally) the streets, without any flashing swords. They were bodies of people who had been alive, as we will be at our physical death, as the thief was who was crucified with Christ. They walked with no swords in hand. They were bodies of holy people who had died.

These scriptures prove that the OT statements that God offered salvation (though limited as sleep) before Christ are correct. Scripture tells us that salvation required blood, and we know now that the blood required was the blood of Christ. Animal blood was symbolic of the true blood required.
Blood is symbolic of the unseen Spirit the true life needed.