C
No, it's death crossing over to life, "17by obeying a form of doctrine from the heart"
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2:10-14&version=KJV
The Deceitfulness of New.Modern.Hyper Grace
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No, it's death crossing over to life, "17by obeying a form of doctrine from the heart"
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2:10-14&version=KJV
Scripture says in Rom 2:29:
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person's praise is not from other people, but from God.
I have spoken to people who at one time ardently believed they were born again. I do not know what of God they experienced to have believed this, I only know that after years and in some cases decades of service to God, ministries of one sort or another, they renounced their faith, and became practicing atheists, or even maltheists. Were they saved? Are they saved still? Such stories are heartbreaking.
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person's praise is not from other people, but from God.
I have spoken to people who at one time ardently believed they were born again. I do not know what of God they experienced to have believed this, I only know that after years and in some cases decades of service to God, ministries of one sort or another, they renounced their faith, and became practicing atheists, or even maltheists. Were they saved? Are they saved still? Such stories are heartbreaking.
C
Does the work, faith and promise of God remain true? Is God faithful? Are you in Christ by your own power or were you baptized BY the Spirit into the body of Christ? Do you possess the holy Spirit of promise, this is our seal until the day of redemption.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=eph+1%3A11-14&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=eph+1%3A11-14&version=KJV
They believed they were saved by grace through faith, born again of the Spirit of God. Some were well studied in Scripture, though as atheists they had largely thrown over any true understanding in favor of scoffing. Like I said, it was quite sad to witness such apostasy. The gospel of my salvation? Hmmm. I believe Scripture. Of course being here the last six months I see how it gets pulled this way and that... not to mention eight years before that partaking in apologetics on two other sites. Jesus paid the price. He is the propitiatory sacrifice, the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world, reconciling all who believe, to God. God unmistakably called me out of the wilderness, where I had wandered until I was almost fifty. I simply found, in light of my experiences, that I could no longer deny Who He was. I had called out to Him for help, and He had extended Himself to me, long before I came to belief and a fuller surrender. But even before that, He had revealed His unconditional love and forgiveness to me, when I was at the lowest point of my life, feeling broken beyond repair. One thing I know for sure: God meets us where we are. Our God is an awesome God! Okay, that was two things. Like Paul, I repented, and came to believe. It is how Jesus started His earthly ministry: calling people to repentance and belief.
Grace 777, I can't say I understand or agree with your belief that you are no longer a sinner, but that is because I still sometimes sin. I become impatient or snap at someone in anger or harbor resentment when someone treats me unfairly or have a pride that says I deserve better treatment than what someone gave me.
I can say, with great awe, that I abide for longer periods of time than previously and I am not aware of having murdered in some time now.
I can also say this. You cheer me because you do not respond in kind when you are told you are lost or unsaved or a blatant liar or a hypocrite. When you are reviled, you just love and don't revile back. You continue in patience and love, and don't lash back or dare to say someone has not received the Holy Spirit because they do not see it all exactly as you do.
I see patience, longsuffering, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, joy and a lot of the fruits of the Spirit. I see them consistently. I know by this that you are my sister in Christ and you are an encouragement to me because of this consistency.
So...just wanted to thank you for cheering me by your example. You make me...less weary in these threads. Sorry if I have embarrassed you. I couldn't hold in my thanks any longer.
I can say, with great awe, that I abide for longer periods of time than previously and I am not aware of having murdered in some time now.
I can also say this. You cheer me because you do not respond in kind when you are told you are lost or unsaved or a blatant liar or a hypocrite. When you are reviled, you just love and don't revile back. You continue in patience and love, and don't lash back or dare to say someone has not received the Holy Spirit because they do not see it all exactly as you do.
I see patience, longsuffering, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, joy and a lot of the fruits of the Spirit. I see them consistently. I know by this that you are my sister in Christ and you are an encouragement to me because of this consistency.
So...just wanted to thank you for cheering me by your example. You make me...less weary in these threads. Sorry if I have embarrassed you. I couldn't hold in my thanks any longer.
Thank you! That was so loving of you to say..it's really the beauty of our Lord and His life flowing through and in us to others...You do it as well..many do and will continue to manifest Him in our lives as we grow in His grace and knowledge.
The sinner/saint thing is a matter of identity..everyone still sins....we are called "saints" ( our identity in Christ ) that sin ( our sometimes outward behavior )
Psst..I be a dude!....I just have the name "grace" ....
The sinner/saint thing is a matter of identity..everyone still sins....we are called "saints" ( our identity in Christ ) that sin ( our sometimes outward behavior )
Psst..I be a dude!....I just have the name "grace" ....
Grace 777, I can't say I understand or agree with your belief that you are no longer a sinner, but that is because I still sometimes sin. I become impatient or snap at someone in anger or harbor resentment when someone treats me unfairly or have a pride that says I deserve better treatment than what someone gave me.
I can say, with great awe, that I abide for longer periods of time than previously and I am not aware of having murdered in some time now.
I can also say this. You cheer me because you do not respond in kind when you are told you are lost or unsaved or a blatant liar or a hypocrite. When you are reviled, you just love and don't revile back. You continue in patience and love, and don't lash back or dare to say someone has not received the Holy Spirit because they do not see it all exactly as you do.
I see patience, longsuffering, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, joy and a lot of the fruits of the Spirit. I see them consistently. I know by this that you are my sister in Christ and you are an encouragement to me because of this consistency.
So...just wanted to thank you for cheering me by your example. You make me...less weary in these threads. Sorry if I have embarrassed you. I couldn't hold in my thanks any longer.
I can say, with great awe, that I abide for longer periods of time than previously and I am not aware of having murdered in some time now.
I can also say this. You cheer me because you do not respond in kind when you are told you are lost or unsaved or a blatant liar or a hypocrite. When you are reviled, you just love and don't revile back. You continue in patience and love, and don't lash back or dare to say someone has not received the Holy Spirit because they do not see it all exactly as you do.
I see patience, longsuffering, turning the other cheek, forgiveness, joy and a lot of the fruits of the Spirit. I see them consistently. I know by this that you are my sister in Christ and you are an encouragement to me because of this consistency.
So...just wanted to thank you for cheering me by your example. You make me...less weary in these threads. Sorry if I have embarrassed you. I couldn't hold in my thanks any longer.
One of the heart and mind, so inner in a sense. Some sins are sourced from pain, a way of not confronting that pain. Other sins having their grip on us because we mentally are not aware of the victory we have in Jesus Christ.
Some sins are sourced from pain, a way of not confronting that pain. Other sins having their grip on us because we mentally are not aware of the victory we have in Jesus Christ.
I believe that the power of sin is in the flesh...and if we yield our members to it..it causes destruction.
Romans 7:17-23 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Then comes Romans 8 which talks about walking according to the spirit and not the flesh
example..
Romans 8:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 7:17-23 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Then comes Romans 8 which talks about walking according to the spirit and not the flesh
example..
Romans 8:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
C
Thank you.
"They believed they were saved by grace through faith, born again of the Spirit of God"
I'm sorry, but this is not a gospel I can form a judgment from.
"blasphemy, what Jesus identified as the only unforgivable sin."
Then you turn around and say a blasphemer, Paul, was forgiven, because he repentented, using scripture, show where he repented, before he was chosen & converted. He didn't. This is what the Ministry of reconciliation, the dispensation of the grace of God, the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery is all about... today sin has been dealt with from God's perspective. We have a holy calling.
"They believed they were saved by grace through faith, born again of the Spirit of God"
I'm sorry, but this is not a gospel I can form a judgment from.
"blasphemy, what Jesus identified as the only unforgivable sin."
Then you turn around and say a blasphemer, Paul, was forgiven, because he repentented, using scripture, show where he repented, before he was chosen & converted. He didn't. This is what the Ministry of reconciliation, the dispensation of the grace of God, the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery is all about... today sin has been dealt with from God's perspective. We have a holy calling.
C
1) You are asking me to judge the salvation of Christians turned Atheist and I asked what gospel they believed.
2) You stated blasphemy was unforgivable. I pointed out Paul was a blasphemer. You said,"Like Paul, I repented" and I said, show me where he repented before he was chosen & converted.
I have no idea how or why you comprehend that I make things up or put words in your mouth. I didn't say you said that, I said show me where he repented before he was converted. Earlier, you also accused me of denying scripture, just because you are obviously unfamiliar with the circumcision of Christ in the context I was clearly sharing, when I wasn't speaking to you about it in the first place. I don't pretend to be holy, what I have as my complete possession is the spirit of holiness referenced in numerous locations by our apostle. This spirit is how we serve & know God.
Do you want to talk about that spirit, maybe tomorrow or sometime, I'm stepping away for the night, it's after 8pm here.
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