The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman

[Jackson123]

Did you miss "before the flood"? It was not bolded...hmmm
As I stated before noah was not removed or taken anywhere AFTER the flood.
You are saying,in a post trib rapture model,that as noah "went through the flood and was removed AFTER the flood,so shall we be removed
After the judgement/wrath.

Nope....nothing of the sort.

In fact noah was taken over a mile into the sky ABOVE THE EARTH. DURING THE WRATH.

BUT....another component in that same mix of test fitting a postrib rapture model is that the ac is commissioned to murder saints. He is quite proficient at at. The bible says all earths inhabitants take the mark or die....so another obstacle for ANYTHING but a pretrib rapture.

Ark is a "type" of heaven.

"Took them away" could be applied to either noah and fam,or the earths inhabitants.

But one thing about it,the inlaws perished. So,some were taken and some left in the family.
Interesting that pretrib rapture is the only position incorporating the 10 virgin parable. 1/2 went to the marriage...the rest stayed behind

Pretrib rapture is The only position harmonizing with noah returning back to earth after the wrath to begin a new kingdom.(postribs painted themselves into a corner saying Noah never left)
BTW both sides say Jesus returns WITH THE SAINTS.

Noah in no way was delivered or taken anywhere AFTER the flood.
The Noah dynamic is vivid pretrib rapture.

Mat 24

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Verse 37

As It was the day of noah, so It Will be the coming of the Son

Day of Noah ~ coming of Son

NOT

Day of Noah ~ tribulation.

Great tribulation and coming of son is two different word that has 2 different meaning.

In The day of Noah there are 2 group of people
1. Save because in the ark
2, unsave.

After The coming of Son there are 2 group of people

1. Save, go,to,heaven

2 unsave go,to hell.

These verse not tell the similarity the day of Noah and great tribulation.

These verse tell the similarity from the day of Noah and second coming

 

[r1xlx]

because if you could understand the written word it say Jesus is COMING FROM HEAVEN? He also said 'No-one has ascended to heaven except me.'
You may have been told by a lying deluded preacher that your recent ancestors have all floated off to heaven but it ain't so.

I haven't said there is no heaven. It would be the height of stupidity to say that. However the Bible teaches that heaven is for GOD not humans.

 

[JohnR7]

the servants of God sealed in their foreheads -

“Go throughout the city of Jerusalem,” said the LORD, “and put a mark on the foreheads of the men sighing and groaning over all the abominations committed there.” (Ezekiel 9:5)

We are told that many are called but few are chosen. Not many people are willing to pay the price in holiness and sanctification to be used by God. Everyone is called to be ready to give a testimony as to what God has done for them in their life.

 

[r1xlx]

Wow dude. So quick with the insults and what makes it worse is that you are completely wrong.
You said "
no-one goes to heaven. read the Bible.
I did and guess what I found?

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV)
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
John 3:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
What does the Bible say about death?
The Bible compares death to sleep more than fifty times. After death we are asleep, we are unconscious; we are not aware of the passing of time or of what is going on around us. That is what death is like as well. The Bible says, “for the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing… their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, NKJV, see also Psalm 146:4; 115:17). It makes sense that after Lazarus was raised from the dead, he doesn’t share what he saw or experienced. He didn’t have anything to tell, except that once he was dead, and now he is alive! He didn’t experience hell or heaven. He was simply “sleeping” in his tomb. Peter on the Day of Pentecost said the same of King David. “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day…For David did not ascend into the heavens…"(Acts 2:29, 34).

I think we can take the words of Jesus and Paul as being truth - especially when we check every other reference to the dead being in their graves.
So I have to tell you your forebears are all still dead dust and all their thoughts have perished.

 

[r1xlx]

Mat 24

After The coming of Son there are 2 group of people

1. Save, go,to,heaven

2 unsave go,to hell.

So you are saying when Jesus returns some people fly off to heaven and some to hell and Earth is left empty?
Hmmm.. That's not what the Bible says. You have had your head filled with some weird ideas and now are wilfully blind to truth.

 

[JohnR7]

Those who believe and teach that the Lord is going to keep His promise by first putting His bride through His wrath and then gathering them, are not truly believing that Jesus already experience God's wrath, satisfying it completely. Since this is the truth, then the wrath that all believers deserve has been satisfied. God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer and therefore, we cannot and will not go through the time of God's wrath. If that were to happen, then the wrath that Jesus experienced would have been for nothing.

"Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!" (Romans 5:9) The Bible is clear that we will be saved from the wrath of God.

 

[JohnR7]

Earth is left empty?

There have been 6 extinctions on the earth and every time there is a remnant (10%) that repopulates the earth. The most recent was 12,990 year ago. This was when the saber tooth tiger and wholly mammoth died off. Only 10% survived to repopulate the earth. Included in this were turtles and crocodiles. We notice that they live very long lives. Up to 300 years. Also they get to be very big. When the crocodiles get to be 25 feet they usually kill them as they get to be to large to manage. The reason the dinosaurs got to be so big is they lived a very long life.

The Bible talks about a remnant that will repopulate the earth. (Isaiah 11:11) God always preserves a remnant.

 

[r1xlx]

I am simply going with what scripture says and what it doesn't say. One thing so many folks forget and especially here in America is that Israel is now and always will be the Apply of God's eye. I can tell you for a fact that the Israelites as a whole will not bend the knee until after Christ returns to resurrect us from our graves. At that point they will realize what a grave mistake they have made and repent. However since they didn't believe and embrace the Gospel they will still be here on earth when the wrath/punishment of God comes to earth to cause those who were left behind to suffer the punishment of God. .

Israel and Judah are two separate things.
Israel are the 10 Lost Tribes that now are called Christians because we believe Jesus is the Son of GOD.
Judah are the FalseJew-Canaanite-Muslims of Jerusalem who hate Jesus, call GOD a liar, worship Moloch and the sun and are practically identical to Muslims. And all Judah is doomed to destruction as written in Zephaniah 1. Jerusalem is called Sodom and Egypt at Revelation 8.
I've no idea where you got the 144,000 to be evangelists from as they will actually be set as stewards to guide the Rapturees during the millennium.

 

[r1xlx]

There have been 6 extinctions on the earth and every time there is a remnant (10%) that repopulates the earth. The most recent was 12,990 year ago.
The Bible talks about a remnant that will repopulate the earth. (Isaiah 11:11) God always preserves a remnant.

What Hollywood fairy tale did you get 6 extinctions from!
There has only been The Flood.
Mammoths died when Earth tilted over due to imbalance from buildup of ice and snow on the India-Tibet-China mountain plateaus after The Flood. That is why they are buried in frozen muck. Muck being the name of the mess of mud, vegetation and torn up dead creatures the lies over most of Siberia.

 

[JohnR7]

David did not ascend into the heavens

We do not take our physical body into Heaven. The elements that make up our body return to the earth. We have a spiritual body and that is taken up to be with Jesus. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (1Cor5:8) It would actually be possible for all of our memory to be stored on those atoms. So if and when God brings them back together they would contain all of our memory. I had my son do the math on that. That is with just one bit of information per atom.

 

[Jackson123]

So you are saying when Jesus returns some people fly off to heaven and some to hell and Earth is left empty?
Hmmm.. That's not what the Bible says. You have had your head filled with some weird ideas and now are wilfully blind to truth.

After 1000'years kingdom.

 

[JohnR7]

I've no idea where you got the 144,000 to be evangelists from as they will actually be set as stewards to guide the Rapturees during the millennium.

"Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel." (Rev 7:4) They are already getting ready & prepared for that now. I have some of the books that the Hasidic Rabbi have written. More than what I would want to read or study, but they are nice for reference. They have already isolated the Cohen Y chromosome gene. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron

 

[JohnR7]

What Hollywood fairy tale did you get 6 extinctions from!

Were you sleeping during your biology class in high school? Or maybe you were to busy have an argument about evolution to actually sit down and read your science book. You can find the information on mass extinctions in wiki or National Geographic.

"More than 99 percent of all organisms that have ever lived on Earth are extinct. As new species evolve to fit ever changing ecological niches, older species fade away. But the rate of extinction is far from constant. At least a handful of times in the last 500 million years, 75 to more than 90 percent of all species on Earth have disappeared in a geological blink of an eye in catastrophes we call mass extinctions." https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/mass-extinction/

Good that God has kept a record of all of this for us to study. He wants us to know what HE has done here on the Earth.

 

[r1xlx]

We do not take our physical body into Heaven. The elements that make up our body return to the earth. We have a spiritual body and that is taken up to be with Jesus. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (1Cor5:8) It would actually be possible for all of our memory to be stored on those atoms. So if and when God brings them back together they would contain all of our memory. I had my son do the math on that. That is with just one bit of information per atom.

Oh dear. So many delusionals about! At 2 Cor 5:8 Paul was lamenting being constantly persecuted for preach the Gospel.

 

[r1xlx]

Were you sleeping during your biology class in high school? Or maybe you were to busy have an argument about evolution to actually sit down and read your science book. You can find the information on mass extinctions in wiki or National Geographic.

"More than 99 percent of all organisms that have ever lived on Earth are extinct. As new species evolve to fit ever changing ecological niches, older species fade away. But the rate of extinction is far from constant. At least a handful of times in the last 500 million years, 75 to more than 90 percent of all species on Earth have disappeared in a geological blink of an eye in catastrophes we call mass extinctions." https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/mass-extinction/

Good that God has kept a record of all of this for us to study. He wants us to know what HE has done here on the Earth.

Oh my! 500 million years! You have fallen for Satan's lies about mass extinctions as meteorites come whizzing from outer space! And after each meterorite new creatures have to evolve? And changing ecological niches? Yes The Flood of 4,350 years ago did change Earth and destroy vast kinds of creatures.
You need to be on Satanic forums not a Christian one as by definition a Christian has to believe the Bible not the Satanists of Wiki and Nat Geog.

 

[Absolutely]

Mat 24

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Verse 37

As It was the day of noah, so It Will be the coming of the Son

Day of Noah ~ coming of Son

NOT

Day of Noah ~ tribulation.

Great tribulation and coming of son is two different word that has 2 different meaning.

In The day of Noah there are 2 group of people
1. Save because in the ark
2, unsave.

After The coming of Son there are 2 group of people

1. Save, go,to,heaven

2 unsave go,to hell.

These verse not tell the similarity the day of Noah and great tribulation.

These verse tell the similarity from the day of Noah and second coming

If you are using the postrib model ,then Noah works against you.
Like most postribs you leave out "before the flood"
Show me any postrib rapture adherent that does not leave that out.
Also,your postrib rapture model would need Noah caught up AFTER the flood.
There is nothing post flood (postrib) resembling a postrib rapture.

Lot is used by Jesus also depicting the departure.

So you have 2 PRETRIB dynamics.
Zero postrib.
Postrib rapture is not only unscriptural,but poorly thought out.
That is why you guys should test fit a model b4 taking an unplausable position

 

[r1xlx]

After 1000'years kingdom.

So Jesus remakes Earth, purifies the people and then whiskes them off to heaven?
But my Bible says Satan is to be released after teh 1,000 years so what will he be doing if all the people have flitted off to heaven?

 

[Absolutely]

Noah was shielded on the ark, on the earth. While the rest of them were "taken away"
There were people living normal lives right up until the end.
Revelation 5:6 tells us that up to the time of the 3rd seal there will be some living in luxury on the earth.

Pretrib is easily refuted
I can't believe anyone could twist this verse to support a pre-trib positon. It says the opposite.

Mathew 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So you are saying as those 2 preflood verses demonstrate the rapture is preflood/tribulation?

 

[JohnR7]

after The Flood. That is why they are buried in frozen muck.

Yes the dinosaurs were killed in a flood and their remains are found in flood deposits. Esp in the rocky mountains. I live in the great lakes area and we have a lot of muck here from when the ice melted. I have photos from when they were working on the bridge and the muck is at least 12 feet thick. There was clearly a world here under all that muck. Also I have photo when they cut through all the layers to build an expressway. I talked to the geologist. When they build a project like that there are people standing around in hard hats. If you go up and talk to them they can give you a wealth of information. They are not usually doing much of anything anyways. Just standing around watching the workers do their job. After awhile you get to where you can read the layers like a book.

 

[Absolutely]

You may right, but there is heaven, and some day all believer going there.

In the postrib rapture model the dead in christ as well as the living NEVER SEE HEAVEN