The Doctrine of Hell: Under Attack
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Romans 2.4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
Proverbs 16.6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for,
And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.<<<<<<<<<A person cannot fear the Lord until they have the wisdom of the Lord
My comments are not above the pay grade of the whole counsel of the word of God...
I have made it very clear that I believe there is a hell to shun and a heaven to gain.....
The Fear of the Lord has zero to do with fearing and being terrified and afraid of him because he can send you to hell...
if you have that kind of struggle going on in your brain and spirit then you need to.............GET SAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
Proverbs 16.6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for,
And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.<<<<<<<<<A person cannot fear the Lord until they have the wisdom of the Lord
My comments are not above the pay grade of the whole counsel of the word of God...
I have made it very clear that I believe there is a hell to shun and a heaven to gain.....
The Fear of the Lord has zero to do with fearing and being terrified and afraid of him because he can send you to hell...
if you have that kind of struggle going on in your brain and spirit then you need to.............GET SAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello Magenta,
Not only is God "loving and merciful" but He is also a God of justice and righteousness. Once a person dies without Christ, grace and mercy are no longer in operation for those who die in their sins. When the great white throne judgment takes place, God's Judgment will be decisive and final without any mercy mixed in.
At the great white throne judgment God's righteous judgment will not be overruled by His love and mercy.
Why do you say the lost have incombustible flesh? It seems to be something you and others have made up and decided to be true, for it is definitely not Scriptural. Man is corruptible, and mortal. Incorruptibility and immortality are put on through the covering of Christ's shed righteous blood on our behalf due to His great love for us. Those not covered, whose names have been blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, pass into the second death, which is eternal ever after. Thereafter the heavens and earth are renewed and we are united with God as His people. All sin, sorrow, suffering, and death are no more.
Hence the second death, which is eternal ever after. The second death is explicitly stated. Only God is immortal. That is also explicitly stated. It seems you fail to accept what is plainly written. Do you think Jesus was threatening idly to warn us to fear Him Who could destroy both body and soul in hell? It seems so.
More scare tactics, what should we expect from a false teacher peddling false rapture and dispensation theology....you guys always spread FUD----Fear Uncertainty Doubt...you have to spread FUD to make your rapture and dispensations work out...
The wisdom the Holy Spirit convicts a non-believer is knowing that God demonstrates His own love toward you, in that while you were yet a sinner, Christ died for us.
I grew up with deceivers like you...going around scaring people into salvation....fear and terror to come to salvation are not of God and if you think it is, maybe you better check the hand your holding and make sure it is the Hand of Jesus....
Jesus never once ran after anyone who rejected him and reminded them that if they did not believe him they were doing to hell....he left them alone...and continued down the road...
Yes but your error is once again, the misinterpretation of the second death and the word translated as "destroy" from "apollumi." It does not mean nonexistence, but is defined as complete loss of well being, complete ruin, while in a state of existence. We already have people who commit suicide in hopes of becoming nonexistent in order to escape whatever they are facing in this life. It would be no punishment for them to be annihilated since that is what they were hoping for in the first place. Nor would it be a fitting punishment for those who have sinned against an eternal and Holy God.
You don't understand now, but at some point the Lord will make it clear to you, either by revealing it to you through the Holy Spirit or revealing it to you after we are present with the Lord in our immortal and glorified state.
Everyone who comes into this world will exist forever. It is their decision for Christ or lack of that will determine where they spend their eternity.
You don't understand now, but at some point the Lord will make it clear to you, either by revealing it to you through the Holy Spirit or revealing it to you after we are present with the Lord in our immortal and glorified state.
Everyone who comes into this world will exist forever. It is their decision for Christ or lack of that will determine where they spend their eternity.
I accept what Scripture says. Man became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into him.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Jesus spoke of death as sleep. Scripture speaks of death as sleep in the OT as well. Why do you belittle the idea? Are you so inflexible in the way you think? You are a slanderer and we know who the father of lies is. I have mentioned the soul many times in my posts here but you wish to pretend I and others do not even think it exists.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Jesus spoke of death as sleep. Scripture speaks of death as sleep in the OT as well. Why do you belittle the idea? Are you so inflexible in the way you think? You are a slanderer and we know who the father of lies is. I have mentioned the soul many times in my posts here but you wish to pretend I and others do not even think it exists.
Sorry for high-jacking your post PrynceNY!
Valiant, it is not about delight or gloating on our part, but about contending for the truth of God's word against those who distort it, you being one of them. We do not delight in the eternal punishment, but just like with all Biblical topics, we are zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. So, we teach, correct, contend and rebuke. Consider yourself rebuked!
Valiant, it is not about delight or gloating on our part, but about contending for the truth of God's word against those who distort it, you being one of them. We do not delight in the eternal punishment, but just like with all Biblical topics, we are zealous for the truth and accuracy of God's word. So, we teach, correct, contend and rebuke. Consider yourself rebuked!
Only God is immortal, that is explicitly written, so you plainly reject what is plainly written and make up your own fantasies and promote them as truth. Man is mortal and corruptible. Immortality and incorruptibility are put on only through the covering of Christ's shed righteous blood due to His great love for us. The word apollumi means to destroy utterly. It says nothing about remaining alive. A multitude of verses say that the wages of sin is death and it does not say the dead are alive. I have posted the meaning of word #622 a couple of times in this thread already, but since you insist on twisting and misrepresenting it, I shall post it again for those interested in the truth of the matter, that life ends at the second death, for the soul of man is destroyed utterly.
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apollumi
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol'-loo-mee)
Short Definition: I destroy, lose, am perishing
Definition: (a) I kill, destroy, (b) I lose, mid: I am perishing
(the resultant death being viewed as certain).
HELPS Word-studies
622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.
Word Origin
from apo and same as olethros
Definition
to destroy, destroy utterly
apollumi: to destroy, destroy utterly
Original Word: ἀπόλλυμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apollumi
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol'-loo-mee)
Short Definition: I destroy, lose, am perishing
Definition: (a) I kill, destroy, (b) I lose, mid: I am perishing
(the resultant death being viewed as certain).
HELPS Word-studies
622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.
Word Origin
from apo and same as olethros
Definition
to destroy, destroy utterly
da body sleeps in the grave yes. yes the dead know nothing of what happens on the earth, but what happens to the soul?
if u read the rich man and lazarus example in luke u will see death are not just nonexistant. not to mention u were the one who falsely accused me of lying and resorted to personal attacks first so who is the slanderer? u shouldnt even be teaching me or anyone for dat matter so sit down or atleast learn to control ur emotions u are messed up. u have no knowledge of da bible u are buying into the cults and distortions of the bible. u are calling what all christians have beleived for a long time "lie of the devil" so u already exposed urself, thats way more than just disagreeing. ur a done deal.
if u read the rich man and lazarus example in luke u will see death are not just nonexistant. not to mention u were the one who falsely accused me of lying and resorted to personal attacks first so who is the slanderer? u shouldnt even be teaching me or anyone for dat matter so sit down or atleast learn to control ur emotions u are messed up. u have no knowledge of da bible u are buying into the cults and distortions of the bible. u are calling what all christians have beleived for a long time "lie of the devil" so u already exposed urself, thats way more than just disagreeing. ur a done deal.