The easy way to spot a false grace message

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a person is a thief. the thief comes to Christ. afterwards, the person steals again. then they get convicted, get on their knees, confess, repent, ask for forgiveness. then they return what stole, confess and ask the person to forgive them.
We just discussed this..... 1 John 2:1

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


So yes if one repents and turns back to Christ they can be forgiven, never said different. :)
 
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We are actually saved by grace through faith and it is a "free gift". Grace always comes first. It's the message of the finished work of Christ that brings faith.

Ephesians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

The revelation of Christ and His finished work for us brings the grace that is in Christ Jesus. We are to fix our hope completely on His grace as we get a revelation of Christ.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim. 2:1
 
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We are actually saved by grace through faith and it is a "free gift".
Yes, and so is being made free from sin. We cannot make ourselves, it is the work of our Creator. So if you are made righteous by God you will also walk in righteousness, and not in unrighteousness which is in sin. :)
 
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Yes, and so is being made free from sin. We cannot make ourselves, it is the work of our Creator. So if you are made righteous by God you will also walk in righteousness, and not in unrighteousness which is in sin. :)
I agree 100% - and it helps to know what "sin" is in Romans chapter 6-7 is referring to when Paul says we are "free from sin."

So, do you still sin as in giving in to the flesh from time to time?

I know I do but His grace and life in me is transforming my outward behavior and beliefs as I rely on Him and what He has done for me. We have a great salvation in Him.
 
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Yes, and so is being made free from sin. We cannot make ourselves, it is the work of our Creator. So if you are made righteous by God you will also walk in righteousness, and not in unrighteousness which is in sin. :)
Here is a post I made on this subject of being made by our Creator, as we are His workmanship......

It is written in Ephesians 2:10 “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

Here is a simple concept and easy to understand; we did not create or give birth to ourselves the first time, so when we are born again and made a new creature in Christ; this is also done by the works of our Creator.


The Lord told Jeremiah in Jeremiah 18:1-6 “The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,[SUP]2 [/SUP]Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying,[SUP]6 [/SUP]O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.”

Paul expounds on this idea of the Potter having power over the clay here in Romans 9:18-24 “Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?[SUP]20 [/SUP]Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?[SUP]22 [/SUP]What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:[SUP]23 [/SUP]And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”

So Paul is showing this same concept that we are God’s workmanship afore prepared and ordained unto glory. This idea is also shown in our first man Adam, and in our new man in Christ. Notice in both instances they are made to be the way they are. Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”


Now some who are without understanding try to prop up the false notion that we who speak out against sin and for doing righteousness are preaching “self-righteousness.” But how can this be if we who are born of God also proclaim this truth that we are made free from sin and made righteous by our Maker?


This being made free from sin was foretold to us by Jesus in John 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:36 “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

Also confirmed by Paul here in Romans 6:18 “Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”

Romans 6:22 “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

So did we make ourselves free from sin? Of Course not, just as we are also made by our Maker to be made righteous as shown in Romans 5:19, and here….2 Corinthians 5:21 “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”


1 Corinthians 1:30
“But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:”


When you understand that a man can receive nothing except it be given to him from heaven, and that every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, then you can also understand there is no room for boasting on our part. All the glory, praise and honor belongs to our Maker.


Hebrews 13:20-21
“Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”


1 Peter 5:10
-11 “But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.[SUP] 11 [/SUP]To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
 
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Much has been said about the lack of love shown toward some on this thread.
My love for the truth and my hate for a twisting of Scriptures to fits one's false belief supersedes any love I have for those who preach such damnable lies.
I will not apologize for that stand.
 
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How does it destroy my belief system when I believe every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? Again you guys make baseless assumptions on what I believe. I never said it was not possible for one to sin, as a matter of fact I have stated several times that it is not only possible, but that many would also fall away from the faith as is also written.

My point in this thread is to confirm the Truth as Jesus and the apostles also preached. That it is possible to be made free from sin by God, if it were not so, Jesus and the apostles would have never said as much in so many verses of scripture. I agree with the words of God, how bout you?

1 John 2:1-6

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

Did Jesus walk in sin or in righteousness? You know the answer.

By the way, thanks for at least posting a verse of scripture. :)
What happened to your insistence that a believer cannot sin? LOL.
 
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What happened to your insistence that a believer cannot sin? LOL.
I never said that. People on here say things about me all the time, but it is not based on what I have actually said. People just run with the baseless accusations. I always ask for proof, but none is ever given. :)
 

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I see ISIT making his statements, & definitely upsetting some people. Yep, he's doing that. I won't back him, even though I agree with a few things he says.

But, I must ask this question: WHO made this thread last so long? This is post 391, & I don't think he wrote all of them.

WHO is responsible for all the fighting, the bashing, the bitterness, the hating, the name calling? Why, those wonderful people that thinks they're so right they'll fight to the death, of course. Yes, ISIT DID open this big can of worms..... but look who fell for it. Look at who is sling the worms.

Who is wrong, now? I don't like the way ISIT handled this, but what's wrong when we like how EVERYBODY ELSE handled it?
This thread would be a few posts shorter if isit manned up and answered the question posed to him in post #4, but alas, his manipulating, deceptive mannerisms, well, they make for a long, drawn out story.
 

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That's just your inflated ego talking. 1 John 2:1 alone destroys your whole belief system.

"I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous."

Notice what it doesn't say. It doesn't say that if we sin we are not really Christians, and it doesn't say that if we sin God rejects us and takes back our salvation. It says that we have an Advocate with the Father if we sin. Of course neither we or God wants us to sin, but if we do, Gods got it covered.
Oh, the inhumanity of sharing God's grace! The shame of it all! ;)
 
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This thread would be a few posts shorter if isit manned up and answered the question posed to him in post #4, but alas, his manipulating, deceptive mannerisms, well, they make for a long, drawn out story.
He's trying to have it both ways, and that dog just won't hunt.
 

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Amen, you cannot prove God a liar, so believe what Jesus said is true, for by faith we are saved through grace. :)
Exactly! Now rejoice in His grace rather than the self deception thinking that you're perfect.
 

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Much has been said about the lack of love shown toward some on this thread.
My love for the truth and my hate for a twisting of Scriptures to fits one's false belief supersedes any love I have for those who preach such damnable lies.
I will not apologize for that stand.
Amen! Amen! Amen! Killer post, bro! I stand with you in solidarity.
 
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I forgive the child molester from his foul behavior but I don't allow him in my house if there is no repentance of his behavior.
My advice about G7 - pompous

A child molester analogy. Really. Boy you are upset, but cannot let it out.
I suggest you vent before you explode, lol

I suspect after so many years of repression and control all we see is the machine
without the heart that drives it...
Just to put things in proper context, I was not saying G7 is a child molester or anything,
I was commenting on him using this analogy.

Sorry if this caused confusion, because I do not like this kind of association myself.

It is interesting how these things get escalated.
Emotions are very powerful things, once triggered blind the participant. And once set
the guilty party is labelled as evil and wrong, no matter what they say.

This is why we are called to forgive, to disengage and spend time with Christ.

If you find you cannot do this, and see red at me or anyone, the problem is not us,
but in yourself and your communion with Christ.
 
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Wow these discussions get way off track and seem to become battles.
Hi Jerry, and welcome to the forums. These battles have been ongoing ever since I have been here and I do not suppose they will stop until the Lord returns and separates the wheat from the tares and finally brings peace. But here is a word of advice, don't believe everything you hear from others about others in the forums, because there are many here who will try to misrepresent others views on what they really believe.

Prove each spirit on what they actually say and not based on what others have said about them. It is easy to get caught up in the mob mentality and go with the pressure of the group, but the mob is not always right.

This place often reminds me of when Paul was in Iconium and many of the unbelieving Jews stirred up the people as shown here in Acts....

Acts 14

14 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren."

And we know after this the people then turned on Paul and some desired to stone him, so he fled to another town where the same happened again, the unbelievers persuaded the people there, and they did end up stoning Paul.

So just beware, and make sure you are not so easily persuaded by the mob mentality. Peace. :)
 
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Exactly! Now rejoice in His grace rather than the self deception thinking that you're perfect.
Show me the thread, post # and quote from my own words where I said I was perfect, lest you also be found a liar. (again) :)
 
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...this is unbelievable, now comparing others to a child molester. Wonder why these guys get defended (and those of this camp were defended) wonder why they aren't called out, while using Scripture as an observation is called out. And, you know, for 'being a newbie'. Sad, but LOL!!!!!!!! :)
Sorry, I was commenting on G7 doing this, not meaning to myself.
This is like a tinder box, where any excuse is used like a weapon. It is though good
training, so God bless you, I need to be more careful.

What I did find was commenting on people letting rip makes one a target.
But let me say, I have the full armour of God, so nothing gets through.
If I sin, then I fall repentant before the King, and I am truly hurt and disappointed.

What I have also found in there is no intention of peace, or understanding, so
no matter what I do, the other side have taken their play. I wish the game was
more logical, and I knew the rules, but it is only words on the internet, so at
least these are conceptual issues, at least as far as I know.
 

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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

A false grace message comes froth from a false prophet.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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