The End comes with a Flood

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Deadflesh

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Interesting. Doesn't the bible say that destruction of the heaves and earth will come by fire in the end times? And that God promised Noah that He would not flood the earth again for destruction?

2 Peter 3:5-7

5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Yeah, I understand that. Again Destruction from the "Flood" is not physical. it is spirtual. And its not from GOD its from Satan.(though God gives them over to it)


God WILL destroy this world with fire.

But FIRST comes spiritual darkness( NIGHT=spiritual darkness) and that spiritual darkness is brought by the FLOOD of LIES, for them who do not love the TRUTH(light/day, children of the day not children of the night) And that DARKNESS is brought by LIES, which come as a flood. From the mouth of the dragon.
 
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What is TRUE repentance? What is TRUE sin?


Isaiah 66:1-3

1Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

3He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.


Please harden not your heart and understand.

God said he that kills an ox, it is as if he killed a man! Again I only judge this. If one man died
for all, then all were DEAD. Therefore I judge no man after the flesh. I lean not on my own understanding in knowing that I know NOTHING as I ought to know.

All men are saved because it is the will of God. My Father takes NO pleasure in the death of the wicked. The funny thing about it is we all have one Father.

Revelation 4:11

11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
"Even the wicked for the day of Evil"(proverbs 16:4)

And no he doesnt take pleasure in it. It doesnt mean he Still wont do it. He is JUSTICE pure and through. YOU may not understand it, I dotn even fully, but HIS ways are not ours. WHY Woudl Jesus say do not repay evi lfor evil to US, and that VENGENCE is HIS. Vengence on WHO? and HOW? Judgment is what we were saved from. Who does he Judge? adn what is the verdict for them?

"And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:22

These are the SAME "ALL MEN" who God WANTS saved but wont be. CANT be. They refuse to come to him to HAVE LIFE.

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" 1 timothy 2:4(kjv)

The word WILL here, is the greek word Thelo, means to WISH, to desire, His PURPOSE(will) is that all should be saved but it is up to us to do HIS WILL.


Many won't that is the BROAD road that leads to destruction, a good persentage of "Christians" are on this road, be casue they never built there house on ROCK.

Otherwise IF ALL would be saved then we dotn really have to do much. And there would be no reason for JEsus to say Watch that you are not decieved. About FALSE prophets.

and to quote you one last time,

Again I only judge this. If one man died
for all, then all were DEAD. Therefore I judge no man after the flesh. I lean not on my own understanding in knowing that I know NOTHING as I ought to know.
All were dead. Yes Dead in our SINS. And no we dont judgment after the flesh but after the spirit, by FRUITS(you will know them by there fruits...who are they? the ones who have HIS spirit) and you are correct we should NOT lean on our own understanding...but lean on GODs wisdom that he pours out willignly for ALL who ask, and we are taught by his SPIRIT who is NOT in every one, but only in those BORN OF GOD by the bpatism of Christs Blood, and GODS holy spirit. and THAT results in a life altering Change. they are NOLONGER who they were. THAT my dear friend is a nessesity. So to say that a Buddist, who has not been Born AGAIN and sanctified by the lood of Christ Jesus, and never lived for Jesus his entire life,And MAYBE never even considered the gospel to be truth... is saved...Well that is telling GOD he is WRONG.


TRUE sin, is WRONG BEING not wrong doing. it is NOT being a part of GOD. It is Everythign that is OUTSIDE of GODS perfect WILL and law. His LAW is his word. his WORD is Christ Jesus. if you are not IN Christ jesus then you are lawless, a worker of iniquity, UNrighteouss, and Wicked. What the WORLD is(which is why we are repeadedly told to BE SEPERATE from the world, and NOT TO LOVE THE WORLD)

TRUE repentance is a 180 degree turn, from YOU. in ever aspect of our lives. And crying out to Jesus and begging him to take YOUR life from you, and make YOUR life his. THEN you are given the spirit of GOD. And THEN you are BORN again as HIS child(all be it a baby....but new none the less)


Jesus Bless you Israel. I hope you have done this, and i would love to hear your testimoney one day. BUT ALL will not be saved. God WISHES that all will be saved but MOST would rather just live for SELF(which is really living for Satan) I hope and pray that Many wake up from the darkness.
 
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Israel

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"Even the wicked for the day of Evil"(proverbs 16:4)

And no he doesnt take pleasure in it. It doesnt mean he Still wont do it. He is JUSTICE pure and through. YOU may not understand it, I dotn even fully, but HIS ways are not ours. WHY Woudl Jesus say do not repay evi lfor evil to US, and that VENGENCE is HIS. Vengence on WHO? and HOW? Judgment is what we were saved from. Who does he Judge? adn what is the verdict for them?

"And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:22

These are the SAME "ALL MEN" who God WANTS saved but wont be. CANT be. They refuse to come to him to HAVE LIFE.

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" 1 timothy 2:4(kjv)

The word WILL here, is the greek word Thelo, means to WISH, to desire, His PURPOSE(will) is that all should be saved but it is up to us to do HIS WILL.


Many won't that is the BROAD road that leads to destruction, a good persentage of "Christians" are on this road, be casue they never built there house on ROCK.

Otherwise IF ALL would be saved then we dotn really have to do much. And there would be no reason for JEsus to say Watch that you are not decieved. About FALSE prophets.

and to quote you one last time,



All were dead. Yes Dead in our SINS. And no we dont judgment after the flesh but after the spirit, by FRUITS(you will know them by there fruits...who are they? the ones who have HIS spirit) and you are correct we should NOT lean on our own understanding...but lean on GODs wisdom that he pours out willignly for ALL who ask, and we are taught by his SPIRIT who is NOT in every one, but only in those BORN OF GOD by the bpatism of Christs Blood, and GODS holy spirit. and THAT results in a life altering Change. they are NOLONGER who they were. THAT my dear friend is a nessesity. So to say that a Buddist, who has not been Born AGAIN and sanctified by the lood of Christ Jesus, and never lived for Jesus his entire life,And MAYBE never even considered the gospel to be truth... is saved...Well that is telling GOD he is WRONG.


TRUE sin, is WRONG BEING not wrong doing. it is NOT being a part of GOD. It is Everythign that is OUTSIDE of GODS perfect WILL and law. His LAW is his word. his WORD is Christ Jesus. if you are not IN Christ jesus then you are lawless, a worker of iniquity, UNrighteouss, and Wicked. What the WORLD is(which is why we are repeadedly told to BE SEPERATE from the world, and NOT TO LOVE THE WORLD)

TRUE repentance is a 180 degree turn, from YOU. in ever aspect of our lives. And crying out to Jesus and begging him to take YOUR life from you, and make YOUR life his. THEN you are given the spirit of GOD. And THEN you are BORN again as HIS child(all be it a baby....but new none the less)


Jesus Bless you Israel. I hope you have done this, and i would love to hear your testimoney one day. BUT ALL will not be saved. God WISHES that all will be saved but MOST would rather just live for SELF(which is really living for Satan) I hope and pray that Many wake up from the darkness.
Isaiah 57:16-21

16For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

17For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.

18I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

19I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.

20But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.


Friend of God, we can put verse after verse up in our stance but why? You talked about a flood and put out some good points but now open your eyes and see the water. Even though we knew Jesus AFTER THE FLESH we know Him no more by the flesh.

For you and all God blesses to read with an understanding heart. How do you judge between a little girl who stole a candy bar out of the cornerstore and a ceo who stole $100,000 so that he could drive an even more expensive car than the one he has already? How when the law says thou shalt not steal? For both the car AND the candy bar are both of vanity. Meats for the belly, belly for the meats but God shall destroy both it and them.
 
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Deadflesh

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Isaiah 57:16-21

16For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

17For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.

18I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.

19I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.

20But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.

21There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.


Friend of God, we can put verse after verse up in our stance but why? You talked about a flood and put out some good points but now open your eyes and see the water. Even though we knew Jesus AFTER THE FLESH we know Him no more by the flesh.

For you and all God blesses to read with an understanding heart. How do you judge between a little girl who stole a candy bar out of the cornerstore and a ceo who stole $100,000 so that he could drive an even more expensive car than the one he has already? How when the law says thou shalt not steal? For both the car AND the candy bar are both of vanity. Meats for the belly, belly for the meats but God shall destroy both it and them.
Right there is no difference between a serial murderer, or a sweat old lady who gave everythign to charity, and never killed a fly.

Because NONE of that saves you. JESUS saves you. and without beign BORN AGIAN of HIS spirit, and having a testimony of that happening.

Then you are NOT saved.


ALL of the world is of Satan. everythign is under the curse of sin...and guilty of breaking the law. Now in this new and eternal covenant, the ONLY way to be free from the curse is to be covered in the blood of the lamb, and be BORN AGAIN in Jesus.

THIS my friend is a part of the flood that is going to brign many to distruction.
This thought that ALL are saved, is a great part, one of the, lies from the mouth of the dragon. That is goign to lead allot of peopel to eternal seperation from God.

deception would NOT matter in anyway shape or form if ALL will be saved. The flood that YOU said I have to open my eyes to, doesnt matter if ALL will be saved.

ALL will not be saved. In fact JESUS said FEW will find the NARROW gate. its NARROW. NOT BROAD
(im not yelling just capitalizing for emphasis)

Please truly see this. I cant judge you. so i wont.

But please be carefull what you tell OTHERS, because if your wrong in your beleifs...you may be the cause of many not being with the LORD. If im wrong in my beliefs, then no harm done becasue you say ALL will be saved.

Please pray about this, bring this to the LORD. Jesus bless you.
 
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Israel

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Right there is no difference between a serial murderer, or a sweat old lady who gave everythign to charity, and never killed a fly.

Because NONE of that saves you. JESUS saves you. and without beign BORN AGIAN of HIS spirit, and having a testimony of that happening.

Then you are NOT saved.


ALL of the world is of Satan. everythign is under the curse of sin...and guilty of breaking the law. Now in this new and eternal covenant, the ONLY way to be free from the curse is to be covered in the blood of the lamb, and be BORN AGAIN in Jesus.

THIS my friend is a part of the flood that is going to brign many to distruction.
This thought that ALL are saved, is a great part, one of the, lies from the mouth of the dragon. That is goign to lead allot of peopel to eternal seperation from God.

deception would NOT matter in anyway shape or form if ALL will be saved. The flood that YOU said I have to open my eyes to, doesnt matter if ALL will be saved.

ALL will not be saved. In fact JESUS said FEW will find the NARROW gate. its NARROW. NOT BROAD
(im not yelling just capitalizing for emphasis)

Please truly see this. I cant judge you. so i wont.

But please be carefull what you tell OTHERS, because if your wrong in your beleifs...you may be the cause of many not being with the LORD. If im wrong in my beliefs, then no harm done becasue you say ALL will be saved.

Please pray about this, bring this to the LORD. Jesus bless you.

Most will indeed enter in the broad way, but they will ENTER IN nonetheless. Why feel the need to earn it?
 
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Not all will be saved, and the broad path leads to destruction.
 
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What? What is what for? What are you even talking about? Here, look:

Matthew 7
Enter by the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who enter that way. How narrow the gate and close the way that leads to life! And few there are who find it. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
 
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Israel

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What? What is what for? What are you even talking about? Here, look:

Matthew 7
Enter by the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who enter that way. How narrow the gate and close the way that leads to life! And few there are who find it. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
The question still stands. Why are we handed over for destruction? The answer is in the bible.
 
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What makes you think we're 'handed over for destruction'?
 
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Where, then? And didn't you say you weren't a Christian? So what would you know about it?
 
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Israel

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Where, then? And didn't you say you weren't a Christian? So what would you know about it?
Do I have to be a Christian to read the bible? And to answer your question, 1 Corinthians 5:5, 1 Timothy 2:20 just to name a couple. Please understand that we were subjected to vanity not willingly, but by reason of Him who subjected the same in hope.
 
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Ramon

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Do I have to be a Christian to read the bible? And to answer your question, 1 Corinthians 5:5, 1 Timothy 2:20 just to name a couple. Please understand that we were subjected to vanity not willingly, but by reason of Him who subjected the same in hope.
Anyone can read the bible, it is not prevented. But not everyone can understand it.

There is only one way to understand, it is by pure revelation from God himself. Anything else is just interpretation of men trying to find the truth.

But as it is written of them, they are ever searching and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It was also written, lean not to your own understanding and knowledge, but in ALL your ways acknowledge God, and he will direct your paths.

If God is not directing the path, that path is the path to destruction.

Jesus Christ is the WAY, he is the TRUTH!! Only Jesus can teach the truth, and only by the Spirit of truth can the Truth be known.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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1 Corinthians 5, 5 Paul admonishes the Corinthians for not expelling a man who is committing incest with his father's wife. He says he will hand that man over to satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit might be saved. He says nothing about destroying anyone else, and this is Paul's statement, not God's. There is no 1 Timothy 2, 20.

Fail.
 
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Israel

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Anyone can read the bible, it is not prevented. But not everyone can understand it.

There is only one way to understand, it is by pure revelation from God himself. Anything else is just interpretation of men trying to find the truth.

But as it is written of them, they are ever searching and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It was also written, lean not to your own understanding and knowledge, but in ALL your ways acknowledge God, and he will direct your paths.

If God is not directing the path, that path is the path to destruction.

Jesus Christ is the WAY, he is the TRUTH!! Only Jesus can teach the truth, and only by the Spirit of truth can the Truth be known.

May Jesus bless you.
I don't. That is why all men are saved. The problem is not mans interpretation of the scriptures, it is when one tries to subject the scriptures to that particular interpretation.
 
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Jesus Himself said not everyone would be saved. Observe:

Matthew 7
Not everyone who says to Me 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father in heaven shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Thy name, and cast out devils in Thy name, and work many miracles in Thy name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you workers of iniquity!'

Matthew 25, 41
"Then He will say to those on His left hand, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.'
 
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Ramon

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I don't. That is why all men are saved. The problem is not mans interpretation of the scriptures, it is when one tries to subject the scriptures to that particular interpretation.
This is not the first time I heard this new wave of influence.

I am telling you the end of this right now. You can either listen or you can go on in this way.

The end of this is going to be lawlessness. The end of this is going to be idolatry. The end of this is going to be wickedness with a false face of righteousness.

If you continue teaching this, you will back yourself into a corner. Where only the hand of God can deliver you.

Jesus Christ is true. Only those who have faith in him and believe him and obey him will be saved. Yet, only those who continue till the end will be saved. I will not go against his words. There are people in hell right now, and they will not ever see heaven. They will not make it in, because they rejected Jesus. There are yet people who think they will be saved, but Jesus will say to them, ''I never knew you.'' It is a very hard thing, but it is true.'' And sometimes the truth is hard to swallow. That is the warning.

Yet, the gospel is good news because of this. Because Jesus Christ can still save those who will adhere his voice and obey him. I have given my testimony, grace made me sad, not happy. Because I said to the Lord, ''Lord, there are people in hell right now!! Lord, why me? Why did you save me and not all those people!!!?''

A very hard response. "I have sent them prophets and my servants, but they chose not to listen. Everyone has an opportunity to repent.''

If the people have rejected the servants of the Lord, they have rejected him, as he sends them to warn by his Spirit. If people will not repent, they will perish. This makes me sad. And yet, I see many people going this way. I pray for mercy!! Lord!! HAVE MERCY ON US!!

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Israel

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This is not the first time I heard this new wave of influence.

I am telling you the end of this right now. You can either listen or you can go on in this way.

The end of this is going to be lawlessness. The end of this is going to be idolatry. The end of this is going to be wickedness with a false face of righteousness.

If you continue teaching this, you will back yourself into a corner. Where only the hand of God can deliver you.

Jesus Christ is true. Only those who have faith in him and believe him and obey him will be saved. Yet, only those who continue till the end will be saved. I will not go against his words. There are people in hell right now, and they will not ever see heaven. They will not make it in, because they rejected Jesus. There are yet people who think they will be saved, but Jesus will say to them, ''I never knew you.'' It is a very hard thing, but it is true.'' And sometimes the truth is hard to swallow. That is the warning.

Yet, the gospel is good news because of this. Because Jesus Christ can still save those who will adhere his voice and obey him. I have given my testimony, grace made me sad, not happy. Because I said to the Lord, ''Lord, there are people in hell right now!! Lord, why me? Why did you save me and not all those people!!!?''

A very hard response. "I have sent them prophets and my servants, but they chose not to listen. Everyone has an opportunity to repent.''

If the people have rejected the servants of the Lord, they have rejected him, as he sends them to warn by his Spirit. If people will not repent, they will perish. This makes me sad. And yet, I see many people going this way. I pray for mercy!! Lord!! HAVE MERCY ON US!!

May Jesus bless you.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

For that very reason they are indeed blinded.
 
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Israel

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Jesus Himself said not everyone would be saved. Observe:

Matthew 7
Not everyone who says to Me 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father in heaven shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Thy name, and cast out devils in Thy name, and work many miracles in Thy name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from Me, you workers of iniquity!'

Matthew 25, 41
"Then He will say to those on His left hand, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.'

What of the spirit Paul cast out?
What will it say on that day?