The END OF SIN.

[Cobus]

In a private conversation with Konroh I saw the error of his doctrine and I want to share this with you all. I think a lot of us misunderstand how powerful God's is in the finished product HE produces when he starts with a sinner, and end with a HOLY PERFECT MAN...


Please take some time to see the WORD OF GOD IN THIS TRUTH....

Youhave an understanding that a Christian is perfect, than any passage that speaksto a certain idealism, "given glory, born of God, walk in the Spirit,without sin, perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect" speaks to thenature of a Christian. And I agree. We have a new nature within us that doesnot sin, and we will be perfect. The problem is that you yourself think youaren't even a Christian because you haven't attained this perfection. In themany passages that speak of the struggle of a Christian, I would say virtuallythe entire NT, the Christian is charged to "put off the old nature, denyyourself, be filled with the Spirit, confess your sins, repent, forgive,encourage one another." These passages are talking to Christians, thosedisciples who first took the name Christian in antioch. The Great Commission ofMatt 28 calls for making disciples. This is a process that starts when onebelieves, continues as one is a disciple and follows and learns from Jesus, andends when we are given glorified bodies in heaven.

If you do not believe you are a Christian, we can't even have a conversation,because while I believe you to have faith in Jesus that has given you eternallife (I hope you do), your definition of a Christian is not a biblical one.It's one who has taken the name of Jesus and declared oneself a follower ofHim. This is a process, a journey, a destination, and a joy.

I agree 100% with you up to the part where you say it ends when we aregiven the glorified bodies in heaven ... We aer are given glorified bodies HERE IN and ON EARTH.... TheChristian that followed Jesus ALL the way gets the BORN OF GOD RIGHT HERE ONEARTH,.... He gets the GLORY OF JESUS RIGHT HERE ON EARTH... A FOLLOWER ofJesus is NOT a GLORIFIED PERSON, HE IS FOLLOWING HIS GLORY... But a PERSON THATENDURE TO THE END OF THE FOLLOWING WILL RECEIVE THE GLORY OF JESUS... THE SEEDOF GOD TO REMAIN IN HIM... NOT IN FRONT OF HIM TO FOLLOW, IN HIM TO LIVE WHAT HE ONCEFOLLOWED as Christian.... If you do not mind I am going to put this on a THread... Called THENEND OF SIN.....

When we follow Jesus allthe way we die off the old man... untill all the lust of the flesh is BEATEN FEAD... then God takes that innocent (purified) man and empowers him with a BAPTISM,,,, Spirit baptism HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM... a CHRIST JESUS baptism.. A BORN OF GOD MAN... No more Christian, but now A SPIRIT FILLED HOLY AND EPRFECT MAN.. One made in the liokeness of Jesus... APT FOR ANY JOB GOD WANTS HIM TO DO.... A true GODLY MAN... RIGHT HERE ON EARTH...THE END OF SIN FOR THIS MAN happened when GOD MADE HIM HIS HOLY MAN!!!!

 

[reject-tech]

Is that from the private message?

 

[Huckleberry]

Remind me never to have a private conversation with you.

 

[Cobus]

Yes we are talking about the Gospel and what salvation by God really is....

You see we always say that Jesus died for our sins, but is that teh end of the Gospel? That we sin and Jesus wash? Or is there really a NEW LIFE HERE ON EARTH for those that ENDURED....

This is my problem... God says the world will hate us for HIS NAME SAKE... I can understand if the world hates me for my sin. Like if I sleep with your wife, i am pretty sure you do not hate me FOR HIS NAME SAKE...

So if you hate me for HIS NAME SAKE... you should hate me like the world hated Jesus.... FOR HIS RIGHTEOUS AND PERFECT LIFE... The world HATED Jesus because the world does not LIKE RIGHTEOUSNESS..

But his is the thing.... Even though the wold hate you for HIS NAME SAKE... for RIGHTEOUSNESS, you are still to ENDURE TO THE END AND ONLY THEN YOU SHALL BE SAVED/.////


Now here is my problem,,,, how can a sinner say he is SAVED? I means when did the world hate him for the righteousness and holy life he lives if he NEVER WAS HOLY OR RIGHTEOUS????


Who is telling sinners they are SAFE and SAVED... the BLOOD and the CROSS saved them... NEVER there is not ONE verse that says the BLOOD saved... the NEW LIFE SAVED... The blood CELANSES, but the NEW LIFE IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS...


The cross and the washing is the BEGINNING of the Gospel... the FINISH is the PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS... SAINTS ARE COLPLETELY WASHED WITH THE LIVING WATERS... And the BLOOD IS THE SEAL... to SEAL PURENESS IN THE PERSON...


The Sprit of God is the RIGHTEOUSNESS.. the NEW LIFE IN THE SPIRIT... not the old life that needs blood and cross...the
NEW life is HOLY, PERFECT and IN HIS NAME....

 

[posthuman]

i think of it like this:

all we know on earth will be tested by fire. our very lives in the same way. Christ, the gift of God, has given us His Spirit, and we are become a new creation - yet living in these bodies and minds that will pass away. everything we do that is not of Him will not remain; like gold is refined and the impurities burned away & cast off - so are we.

we are no longer who we were, and yet we are - who we really are in the long view of eternity, is what we are that will remain - what we are in Him, and what we are with Him in us, by Him, through Him. the rest is who we were.

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ"
(Philippians 3:20)

 

[Cobus]

Huckleberry...Ok at least have one with Jesus, I only say what HE SAYS... so have one with Him.. but PROMISE me to have one with him... He is My Lord, and I only believe HIM and HIS WORD... He said this Hucky my boy.... Not me JESUS SAID this and He was not joking like you do....

Matthew 5:48...
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[Cobus]

i think of it like this:

all we know on earth will be tested by fire. our very lives in the same way. Christ, the gift of God, has given us His Spirit, and we are become a new creation - yet living in these bodies and minds that will pass away. everything we do that is not of Him will not remain; like gold is refined and the impurities burned away & cast off - so are we.

we are no longer who we were, and yet we are - who we really are in the long view of eternity, is what we are that will remain - what we are in Him, and what we are with Him in us, by, Him, through Him. the rest is who we were.

"For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ"(Philippians 3:20)

And I LOVE this... God said that even the ones that LOOK like weat, but are schaff will not stand the test... they will be seperated and butn in the Fire...

Here is the Scripture and the revelation.... God says there are those that have the appearance of Godlyness but hey forsaked the POWER thereof.... Scaff... Looks like weat but are EMPTY INSIDE.. only shell, no TREASURE inside... will be weighed but foound wanting.. and BURNT in the fire...


Then there is the weat, wtih a nice full bodied fleshy fruit in side... A true TRASURE and POWER TO FEED ot be replanted to produce more fruit ... GOOD FRUIT... This will be weighed and not found wanting... God says WNTING NOTHING... PERFECT... This is brought to God's barn and stores for HIS KINGDOM... IN HIS KINGDOM... They have POWER of GOD in them.


I just LOVE how Scripture comes together.... The fruit in the shell,.,, IS ALL GOD... if you peel the flesh off a God's Child, you will FIND JESUS INSIDE... Jesus is the SEED in the shell of a beautiful full weat pip... we are the shell, our flesh, but HE IS THE INSIDE....

 

[posthuman]

I just LOVE how Scripture comes together.... The fruit in the shell,.,, IS ALL GOD... if you peel the flesh off a God's Child, you will FIND JESUS INSIDE... Jesus is the SEED in the shell of a beautiful full weat pip... we are the shell, our flesh, but HE IS THE INSIDE....

and if that seed grows, its shell falls away and all it is becomes the meat of the seed in full fruition!

 

[konroh]

Titus 3:5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,8This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. 9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

A Christian is saved, regenerated and renewed and must be careful to engage in good deeds.

 

[Cobus]

A Christian is a FOLLOWER, a Child of God is a SENT person... BIG difference...

A Christian is CALLED to be cleansed and to die off the old man to be glorified, and Child of God is GLORIFIED... OLD MAN DEAD, Christian's following COMPLETE...

A Child of God is a COMPLETED CHRISTIAN... Not a FOLLOWING Christian...
A Christian may be hated for the holy life and way he walks, but he still has to endure to be saved...

Konroh... As long as we sin we are not COMPLETED WORK OF GOD... the HOLY SPIRIT STILL HAS TO WORK ON US, NOT YET THROUGH US...

When God finishes a Christian... ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IN THAT PERSON... God calls it GROWTH... and sinners are NOT FULLY GROWN.... Sinning Christians called to repent are NOT FULLY GROWN...

Even NON SINNING Christians are only SAINTS.. they still need to be PERFECTED...

 

[Cobus]

Posthuman I just love this as well... If the SEED in the person is the WORD of God and Jesus was the WORD made flesh... God says.... AND HIS WORD MULTIPLIED... THEN JESUS MULTIPLIED... WOW!!!!

But the word of God grew and multiplied.

 

[Cobus]

Konroh do you think the conversation I do now is FOOLISH? Or is it pleasing God that I KEEP HIS WORD? Show me ONE point I made that is NOT IN HIS WORD... JUST ONE!

 

[Cobus]

I will show you a foolish statement..... WE WILL ALWAYS BE SINNERS.... NOw THAT is the foolish arguments and statements we shouls RUN FROM... where is GOOD WORKS IN SIN? Come on now, STOP NOT TRUSTING GOD TO SAVE YOU....

He shall save yo to BE IN HIM, AND IN HIM IS NO SIN... Scripture?


John 17... FATHER I IN THEM AND THEY IN ME.... 1 John IN HIM IS NO SIN...

 

[Cobus]

Let me help ALL who read this to the TRUTH OF GOD... HIS WORD HIS GOSPEL HIS DOCTRINE...

A CHRISTIAN is A FOLLOWER OF JESUS.... LEAD BY JESUS.... A COMPLETED CHRISTIAN THAT FOLLOWED JESUS ALL THE WAY, IS A CHILD OF GOD.... BORN OF GOD...AT THE END OF THE WAY THEY ARE BORN OF GOD....

They no LONGER FOLLOW JESUS.... JESUS IS THE NEAW LIFE IN THEM WHEN GOD PUTS JESUS IN THEM, AND THEM IN JESUS.

Not ONE Christian is in Jesus, they are BEHIND JESUS... but Christians that becomes CHILDREN OF GOD,,, Endured behing Jesus to the END OF CHRISTIANSHIP...lnot SAINTSHIP... here in SAINTSHIP there is no more sin.... BUT GOD IS NOT FINISHED HERE,,,, HE COMPLETES IT BY PUTTING THE SAINT IN JESUS, and JESUS IN THE SAINT.... THEN the SALVATION IS COMPLETE...

Jesus lives in PERFECTED SAINTS.... NOT IN CHRISTIANS... Jesus does not LEAD perfected SAINTS... HE IS THE PRFECTED SAINT... IN HIS OWN FELSH HE IS THE PERFECTED SAINT, AND IN YOUR FLESH HE WILL BE THE PERFECTED SAINT..

EVEN YOU FLESH is made NEW WHEN HE ENTERS... God says NO-ONE puts NEW WINE IN OLD SACKS... YOUR SINNING FLESH IS AN OLD SACK,,,, YOUR QUICKEND FLESH BY HIS SPIRIT IS NEW FLESH, AND CHRIST JESUS IN THA TFLESH IS THE NEW WINE.....

Old things have PASSED... BEHOLD ALL things are made NEW..... CHRIST JESUS NEW... WOWOWOWOW!!!! What ans AWESOME God He is...

 

[konroh]

Gal 4:6Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.8However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?

Paul clearly says that they are sons of God and heirs through God. They were slaves but now they know God, but they are turning back to weak and elemental things. Children of God who were sinning.

 

[Kerry]

Please read Romans chap 7 and then tell me a christian cannot sin. Cobus has already sinned by stating that he no longer needs the cross and is past that and gone on to other things. The trouble is the bible does not go on to other things the cross is the ultimate message in the bible. It is a shame what men teach today.

 

[Kerry]

For the record, I sinned today. I saw a young lady that was dressed half naked and she was a beautiful girl. Thoughts ran threw my mind and I quickly threw them out. But, then I had to ask forgiveness. I am a married man. Jesus said if you look at a women in lust, you have already committed adultery. Or if you look in hatred at a man with malice, you have already committed murder. Thank God for the cross!!!.

 

[Cobus]

Please read Romans chap 7 and then tell me a christian cannot sin. Cobus has already sinned by stating that he no longer needs the cross and is past that and gone on to other things. The trouble is the bible does not go on to other things the cross is the ultimate message in the bible. It is a shame what men teach today.

Kerry I know I am not English but where did I say a CHRISTIAN CANNOT sin? I said SINNING CHRISTIANS STILL NEED THE CROSS.... BUT Saints Do NOT... They are DOME with the cross.... they do not sin any longer or they would not be SAINTS, but Still CHRISTIANS.... And Saints ARE NOT YET IN GOD.... They still need to be perfected ...

So to simplify so you can understand what I and GOD'S Word teach.... Here is the process of becoming BORN OF GOD, OR HOLY MEN OF GOD... PERFECT PERSON IN GOD...

1. Christian.... FOLLOWING JESUS...
2. SAINT ... FOLLOED JESUS ALL THE WAY IN RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS...
3. PERFECT RESURRECTED CHRIST JESUS... CHILD OF GOD... HOLY MAN OF GOD... BORN OF GOD... Now this person is a PERFECTED SAINT... in ALL THE GLORY OF GOD AND JESUS.... TIGHT HERE ON EARTH... They are the ones that INHERETED GOD IN THEMSELVES... ONLY NOW ARE GOD COMPLETE WITH THE WORK ON THEM...

If A person is finished with the cross, God is NOT FINISHED WOTH THE MAN....

And Kerry if I have to BOAST, I will BOAST IN THE CROSS OF JESUS.,.... FOR THERE THE OLD COBUS DIED..... Praise the Cross OF Jesus.... I am washed PURE AS GOD IS PURE BY THE CROSS OF JESUS.... Should I go back and get dirty with Kerry again????? GOD FORBID....!

 

[Cobus]

Kerry I have NO thoughts of even NAKED beautiful women, but these thoughts of them.... Shame on them that dress as Satan wants them to be for they are the stumblingblocks....

So if I see the BAD in a BADLY dressed woman I see this verse all over her....
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

And woe unto the woman whom the offence cometh... I pity a badly dressed woman for SATAN IS IN HER, and I want NO part of SATAN thank you...

 

[Cobus]

Kerry the CROSS is not going to take your lust away, your obedience to GOD WILL... If you FOLLOW HIM he will TAKE IT AWAY...
You cannot go back there and think the cross will do it... You have to FINISH THAT SIN... The way to do it is GO TO GOD, HE WILL REMOVE IT, the moment he FORGIVES YOU....

If you do not believe he will remove it when HE FORGIVES YOU, then you do not believe HE FORGAVE YOU... Simple as that...

Kerry when God FORGAVE ME MY SIN OF THOUSANDS OF ADULTERY,,, He BROKE that sin for me... It is FINISHED... GONE and DEAD... I have NO lust for ANY woman save my wife.... God TRULY MAKES FREE!!! WOW!!! Ask God to also make you free,,,, it is FREE INDEED, and God makes you free FOR FREE!