The END OF SIN.

[Kerry]

Kerry I know I am not English but where did I say a CHRISTIAN CANNOT sin? I said SINNING CHRISTIANS STILL NEED THE CROSS.... BUT Saints Do NOT... They are DOME with the cross.... they do not sin any longer or they would not be SAINTS, but Still CHRISTIANS.... And Saints ARE NOT YET IN GOD.... They still need to be perfected ...

So to simplify so you can understand what I and GOD'S Word teach.... Here is the process of becoming BORN OF GOD, OR HOLY MEN OF GOD... PERFECT PERSON IN GOD...

1. Christian.... FOLLOWING JESUS...
2. SAINT ... FOLLOED JESUS ALL THE WAY IN RIGHTEOUSNESS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS...
3. PERFECT RESURRECTED CHRIST JESUS... CHILD OF GOD... HOLY MAN OF GOD... BORN OF GOD... Now this person is a PERFECTED SAINT... in ALL THE GLORY OF GOD AND JESUS.... TIGHT HERE ON EARTH... They are the ones that INHERETED GOD IN THEMSELVES... ONLY NOW ARE GOD COMPLETE WITH THE WORK ON THEM...

If A person is finished with the cross, God is NOT FINISHED WOTH THE MAN....

And Kerry if I have to BOAST, I will BOAST IN THE CROSS OF JESUS.,.... FOR THERE THE OLD COBUS DIED..... Praise the Cross OF Jesus.... I am washed PURE AS GOD IS PURE BY THE CROSS OF JESUS.... Should I go back and get dirty with Kerry again????? GOD FORBID....!

Cobus I love you. Is there a difference between a saint and a christian. Is one better than the other. The only ones that have no need of the cross are no longer with us, but are with the father. You will find in the bible the failure of all that wrote it or were wrote about. Are we greater? the only thing that we are greater about is our faith. Because we believe but have not seen as the apostles did. As long as we live in these flesh bodies, sin is at the door. The moment our faith is off of the work of the cross. sin revives in us. We must cling to the cross and nothing else. This is the meaning and everything that Paul taught. Saying oh foolish Galatians who has deceived you that you stray from what I taught. For I came not with extravagant words but in power. Preaching the cross and nothing else. Show me in the bible something else.

 

[Cobus]

Kerry what man can get rid of a single sin without God MAKING THAT MAN FREE?
And what sin is there that GOD CANNOT MAKE YOU FREE FROM....

Do you know why God can STOP forgiveing? Becasue if GOD MAKES YOU FREE, YOU ARE FREE INDEED! If God makes you free from a sin, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO FORGIVE YOU EVER AGAIN....BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT DO IT AGAIN... HE REMOVED IT, TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU, AND YOU FROM THE SIN... WOW! 100% Biblical... I can prove this with scripture if you want I shall do so...

 

[Cobus]

No Kerry the one is not better than the other, the one is just FURTHER along the WORK PROCESS of God...

The COMPLETE man is EXACTLY LIKE JESUS... And Paul said ... Some is on milk and some on steak...

God says... A SEED falls to the ground and then the seed shoots roots, and then it forms leaves and then a stem and then on the stem is formed the NEW SEED, and when that new seed is FULL AND JUICY it is a mature PURE GOOD FRUIT...

Do you see how the PLANT GROWS AND PRDUCE 30 60 and 100 fold...

The leaves does not produce seed only the STEM does... I might fail on some words here I know it perfect in Afrikaans but read it in ...For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.
Mar 4:29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.

Oh God calls it the EAR, not the stem....

 

[Richie_2uk]

A Christian is a FOLLOWER, a Child of God is a SENT person... BIG difference...

A Christian is CALLED to be cleansed and to die off the old man to be glorified, and Child of God is GLORIFIED... OLD MAN DEAD, Christian's following COMPLETE...

A Child of God is a COMPLETED CHRISTIAN... Not a FOLLOWING Christian...
A Christian may be hated for the holy life and way he walks, but he still has to endure to be saved...

Konroh... As long as we sin we are not COMPLETED WORK OF GOD... the HOLY SPIRIT STILL HAS TO WORK ON US, NOT YET THROUGH US...

When God finishes a Christian... ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IN THAT PERSON... God calls it GROWTH... and sinners are NOT FULLY GROWN.... Sinning Christians called to repent are NOT FULLY GROWN...

Even NON SINNING Christians are only SAINTS.. they still need to be PERFECTED...

A Christian is to be Christ like. When we have accepted Jesus in our lives and hearts, we are making a statement that we are born again, from that point onwards we are to be Christ like. But sin in us all, Christian or not, will always remain till Jesus comes back.

Someone asked me the other day in fact. What's the difference between a unsaved, and a Christian? Were sin is concerned there are no difference. we are still sinners, but the one thing is different, we have God in our hearts. the unsaved has not. Until they make that choice to be saved. then they to will still be sinners, but will have God in there hearts.

We Christians will sin just like an unsaved person would. But if we remind ourselves of the statement we did to Jesus when he came into your hearts. and try sin no more. hence to be Christ like. We are forgiven of our sins if we truly repent of them.
depends on your hearts for Jesus, and depends on your hearts to follow Jesus to be christ like.

 

[Cobus]

Cobus I love you. Is there a difference between a saint and a christian. Is one better than the other. The only ones that have no need of the cross are no longer with us, but are with the father. You will find in the bible the failure of all that wrote it or were wrote about. Are we greater? the only thing that we are greater about is our faith. Because we believe but have not seen as the apostles did. As long as we live in these flesh bodies, sin is at the door. The moment our faith is off of the work of the cross. sin revives in us. We must cling to the cross and nothing else. This is the meaning and everything that Paul taught. Saying oh foolish Galatians who has deceived you that you stray from what I taught. For I came not with extravagant words but in power. Preaching the cross and nothing else. Show me in the bible something else.

Kerry TRUE the ones that need not the cross are not with us.... but their felsh is still.... Kerry when do we GO TO THE FATHER? Only AFTER we died? Physical death? NOPE... the moment the old man dies (Spiritually) then Jesus gives us to the Father.

Look what Jesus says and for the first time look at it as a SPIRITUAL HAPPENING... you sre NOT THE FLESH YOU WEAR... The Flesh is just a vessel... YOU SRE THE SPIRIT AND THE SOUL IN THAT FLESH.... I am NOT SPeaking to KERRY THE FLESH, I am speaking to Kerry the spirit and soul that NEEDS JESUS...

Kerry when you die off the lusts of the flesh, you died of the sinning man that corrups you spirit and soul.... And the moment that lusts is DEAD, you as sinning man and soul is DEAD! Then God will give you a NEW SPIRIT... the SPIRIT OF JESUS, and a NEW SOUL.. the SOUL OF JESUS and you will be CHRIST JESUS RESURRECTED...

Then Kerry you are no longer with the sinners, but WITH JESUS AND THE FATHER,,,,,

 

[Cobus]

Richy I asked maybe a thousand Christians this question I hope you will be the one to SHOW ME THIS...

IF WE ACCEPTED JESUS IN OUR LIVES... please show me the SCRIPTURE where ONE person just ONE person ACCEPTED JESUS IN TO THEIR LIVES...

You say WE CHOSE JESUS INTO OUR LIVES AND NOW MAKE THAT STATEMENT,,,, That is SATAN talking not God...

GOD CHOSE ME, I DID NOT CHOOSE HIM...

Show me scripture, or hold your peace... Please just ONE VERSE where the person chose Jesus or God... GOD CHOSE US NOT WE HIM...

See your doctrine is of Satan not god...

 

[Kerry]

Yes the cross sets us free. Free from what? the power of sin. That means that we are no longer dominated by sin. The problem that I have is that the closer I get to God. The more sinful I find myself to be and how much more I need the cross. Do you understand the perfection that God requires. Even our thoughts are sinful. When I was holding my son in my arms, The Spirit said to me "do you love him more than me". I was shocked, I said "Lord you know I love you but, I love my son as well". Then I was reminded that nothing shall come before Him. Can we walk through this life as perfectly as Jesus did? That is the perfection that He mandates. Cobus, if you seek His face, you will find many flaws and lean on the cross. I challenge you my friend, get on your knees and seek the face of God, you will find it humbling.

 

[Cobus]

Kerry if God says EVERYTHING IS MADE new... what is not made new? Do you think God makes even the thoughts new?

If God says EVERYTHING is made new.. It is made Christ like... NOT BEING MADE...it is MADE ...DONE! ALL NEW... Kerry if God finishes his salvation on a man... IT IS FINISHED... AND PERFECT... or else even GOD FAILED... and you know HE DOES NOT FAIlL... He SAVES PERFECTLY..

 

[Cobus]

Kerry thank you but do I have to be PERFECT before I believe God? Or can I TRUST god to save me to perfection, even though I am not complete....

My hope is not in IMPERFECTION in ME..,, it is in GOD... ABSOLUTE PERFECTION...

 

[Cobus]

Yes the cross sets us free. Free from what? the power of sin. That means that we are no longer dominated by sin. The problem that I have is that the closer I get to God. The more sinful I find myself to be and how much more I need the cross. Do you understand the perfection that God requires. Even our thoughts are sinful. When I was holding my son in my arms, The Spirit said to me "do you love him more than me". I was shocked, I said "Lord you know I love you but, I love my son as well". Then I was reminded that nothing shall come before Him. Can we walk through this life as perfectly as Jesus did? That is the perfection that He mandates. Cobus, if you seek His face, you will find many flaws and lean on the cross. I challenge you my friend, get on your knees and seek the face of God, you will find it humbling.

Kerry as long as you sin the cross did not set you free.... If God sets you free He says you are FREE INDEED.. For me that is ABSOLUTELY FREE,,, impssible to do something that GOD MADE YOU FREE FROM... Believe what you write PLEASE... You say the cross make you free, yet you are bonded in sin still, then the cross FAILED...

If you find yourself more sinful that is GOD SHOWING YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO LAY DOWN... not use you do not OBEY... He said REPENT.... that means to STOP... so Kerry why do you not STOP? REPENT terry.. in stead of finding pleasure for the flesh, GIVE HIM HELL... Give that sin HELL that wants to corrupt the PERFECT KERRY... soon as you deny the flesh.... YOU GIVE THE SIN HELL.... Praise Jesus that he helps us to do so.... YEAH now that is JOY... to give sin hell.... I will NOT give my flesh for sin I will give that sin HELL... not me ---- HELL...

 

[Cobus]

Kerry if I did not love you I would not have spent all this GIFT OF GOD WITH YOU... God gave me the GIFT OF SCRIPTURE,.,, to UNDERSTAND HIS WORD,,,, why? HE CHOSE TOO, all I am is greatful for the cross of Jesus that made me free from the sinning Cobus.... 100% free!

Kerry God is FAITHFUL... look what he does.... But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
Kerry I am not the one that stablish and keep you from evil.... GOD IS...
Do you think God stablish with a fallin stature? or a SOLID holiness... And do you think ANY evil, including sin can REACH YOU IF GOD KEEPS YOU FROM IT?

Wait a better question... If God keep you from evil, do you think you are stronger to reach it? NOPE... He is so GOOD at what he does... that is why he says.... 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Blain]

In a private conversation with Konroh I saw the error of his doctrine and I want to share this with you all. I think a lot of us misunderstand how powerful God's is in the finished product HE produces when he starts with a sinner, and end with a HOLY PERFECT MAN...


Please take some time to see the WORD OF GOD IN THIS TRUTH....




I agree 100% with you up to the part where you say it ends when we aregiven the glorified bodies in heaven ... We aer are given glorified bodies HERE IN and ON EARTH.... TheChristian that followed Jesus ALL the way gets the BORN OF GOD RIGHT HERE ONEARTH,.... He gets the GLORY OF JESUS RIGHT HERE ON EARTH... A FOLLOWER ofJesus is NOT a GLORIFIED PERSON, HE IS FOLLOWING HIS GLORY... But a PERSON THATENDURE TO THE END OF THE FOLLOWING WILL RECEIVE THE GLORY OF JESUS... THE SEEDOF GOD TO REMAIN IN HIM... NOT IN FRONT OF HIM TO FOLLOW, IN HIM TO LIVE WHAT HE ONCEFOLLOWED as Christian.... If you do not mind I am going to put this on a THread... Called THENEND OF SIN.....

When we follow Jesus allthe way we die off the old man... untill all the lust of the flesh is BEATEN FEAD... then God takes that innocent (purified) man and empowers him with a BAPTISM,,,, Spirit baptism HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM... a CHRIST JESUS baptism.. A BORN OF GOD MAN... No more Christian, but now A SPIRIT FILLED HOLY AND EPRFECT MAN.. One made in the liokeness of Jesus... APT FOR ANY JOB GOD WANTS HIM TO DO.... A true GODLY MAN... RIGHT HERE ON EARTH...THE END OF SIN FOR THIS MAN happened when GOD MADE HIM HIS HOLY MAN!!!!

First off I agree with his every word and second I think it rude to make a public post of this. even if it wasn't a pm you don't go around making threads about something someone said you disagree with it using their words in the debate. It's just no polite. we all WILL struggle daily with our sins and never become perfect until the day we are given glorified bodies when Jesus returns. we are called to be perfect, but not meaning we must actually be perfect for who among us can ever say we are perfect? But rather we must always strive to be perfect, Jesus showed us how in his ministry by teachings and example.

 

[Radius]

Titus 3:5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,8This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. 9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

A Christian is saved, regenerated and renewed and must be careful to engage in good deeds.

how cobus can refute this clear scripture is beyond me. Whoooop! Right over his head.

 

[Blain]

Kerry as long as you sin the cross did not set you free.... If God sets you free He says you are FREE INDEED.. For me that is ABSOLUTELY FREE,,, impssible to do something that GOD MADE YOU FREE FROM... Believe what you write PLEASE... You say the cross make you free, yet you are bonded in sin still, then the cross FAILED...

If you find yourself more sinful that is GOD SHOWING YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO LAY DOWN... not use you do not OBEY... He said REPENT.... that means to STOP... so Kerry why do you not STOP? REPENT terry.. in stead of finding pleasure for the flesh, GIVE HIM HELL... Give that sin HELL that wants to corrupt the PERFECT KERRY... soon as you deny the flesh.... YOU GIVE THE SIN HELL.... Praise Jesus that he helps us to do so.... YEAH now that is JOY... to give sin hell.... I will NOT give my flesh for sin I will give that sin HELL... not me ---- HELL...

Cobus, please consider that before you say to someone that as long as they still sin the cross did not set them free you yourself are a sinner and sin daily. we are free because of Jesus, we may still sin but we are not condemned by it anymore. we must of course try not to sin though. I don't understand how you have understanding of scripture when you say things like this

 

[Cobus]

First off I agree with his every word and second I think it rude to make a public post of this. even if it wasn't a pm you don't go around making threads about something someone said you disagree with it using their words in the debate. It's just no polite. we all WILL struggle daily with our sins and never become perfect until the day we are given glorified bodies when Jesus returns. we are called to be perfect, but not meaning we must actually be perfect for who among us can ever say we are perfect? But rather we must always strive to be perfect, Jesus showed us how in his ministry by teachings and example.

Blain how can you be free and enslaved at the same time... FOOLISH... that is just FOOLISH...

Blain read the whole script. Konroh is in on it, We agreed to take our PM to a post.. At least read the whole thread and waht I said.... And since you know I am sinning, will you please rebuke me of my sin so we can pray God for forgiveness for me...

Do not do it halfway... God said... REBUKE WITH ALL AUTHORITY... so BLAIN you blamed me of sin, now rebuke me by adressing that sin.... I do not know what sin you see so please enlighten God, and every person here to what sin I need to repent from.... I humbly ask you to HELP me with a rebuke...

You say WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH SIN DAILY.... does the SAINTS of God also struggle with sin? I mean God calls them saints becasue they DO NOT SIN... so tell Blain why do you not tell God he has no SAINTS here on earth even though God says... HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A REMNANT HERE ON EARTH... so BLAIN go call God a lier...

 

[Radius]

cobus is just a sinful troll. He acts like he loves God with all his heart everyday, which means always doing what Jesus would do every moment of everyday and NEVER putting his will in front, never losing his temper, never thought sinning, this guy is so lost he doesn't even know it.

 

[Blain]

Blain how can you be free and enslaved at the same time... FOOLISH... that is just FOOLISH...

Blain read the whole script. Konroh is in on it, We agreed to take our PM to a post.. At least read the whole thread and waht I said.... And since you know I am sinning, will you please rebuke me of my sin so we can pray God for forgiveness for me...

Do not do it halfway... God said... REBUKE WITH ALL AUTHORITY... so BLAIN you blamed me of sin, now rebuke me by adressing that sin.... I do not know what sin you see so please enlighten God, and every person here to what sin I need to repent from.... I humbly ask you to HELP me with a rebuke...

You say WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH SIN DAILY.... does the SAINTS of God also struggle with sin? I mean God calls them saints becasue they DO NOT SIN... so tell Blain why do you not tell God he has no SAINTS here on earth even though God says... HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A REMNANT HERE ON EARTH... so BLAIN go call God a lier...

Rebuke you of your sin? sorry but that is not my place, I am probably a worse sinner than you so who am I to judge you for your sins? we are saints by faith and love not by how perfect we are. Because of the blood spilled our sake we are kings and priests, however we can never be perfect as long as we live in the flesh.

 

[Kerry]

I am free. Free from the domination of sin. Unlike you my redeemption is not complete. The price has been paid, but the transaction is not complete. Not to down play the cross, but Jesus said when you see these signs look up for your redemption draws nigh. I have been redeemed in spirit. My mind is being renewed by the word of God ( and that is Jesus). My body has not yet been redeemed and no one has. AS long as we retain these flesh bodies we cannot uphold the perfection that God demands. This is the reason why we need the cross. Why couldn't OT SAINTS obtain even though their faith was in the cross. The same reason NT SAINTS cannot attain. Because we are in flesh bodies that came from Adam. When I got saved my body did not change did yours? We were created in His image 3 in 1. Mind (soul) spirit and body. The first two are changed by the cross and the third will be but not yet not until the kingdom age. Thats why we need the cross.

 

[Blain]

cobus is just a sinful troll. He acts like he loves God with all his heart everyday, which means always doing what Jesus would do every moment of everyday and NEVER putting his will in front, never losing his temper, never thought sinning, this guy is so lost he doesn't even know it.

Well we can't exactly say he's a sinful troll, for only God knows his heart. I am sure he means well he is just a little misguided that's all

 

[Cobus]

how cobus can refute this clear scripture is beyond me. Whoooop! Right over his head.

Wow I wonder who is missing the points here.... Radius what does it mean to you when God says... Those who believed God will be CAREFUL to engage in GOOD DEEDS?

Just this one thought and statement, please explain in detail what it means for you then I will share as well...

Or wait I will go first and I pray we see it the same way...

First of ALL those who BELIEVED GOD... Radius if a person believe God will he also believe this part of God... Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

LOOK it is those that BELIEVED God.... Believed is in the PAST TENSE... Why do the ones that believed God need to be careful? If so then Jesus would have displayed the NEED TO BE CAREFUL... was Jesus careful to engage in GOOD DEEDS.... YES HE WAS...
Now it is up to you CLEVER RADIUS to show us where Jesus was careful engaging in GOOD DEEDS.. then you can ALSO have this Scripture goes POOOOF over your head...

I will stand up to your challenge... I gave you the first half of this Idea WITH SCRIPTURE... now you show WITH SCRIPTURE where Jesus showed when HE was CAREFUL TO ENGAGE IN GOOD DEEDS....

Or just repent and retract your sladering words... I hold it not against you, I forgive you for not understanding... your DOCTRINE makes you the loser, not your lack of knowledge... your doctrine FAILS TRUTH... I will prove to you that even JESUS was CAREFUKL TO ENGAGE IN GOOD WORKS... then you will understand that scripture... As you say I do not...