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Rebuke you of your sin? sorry but that is not my place, I am probably a worse sinner than you so who am I to judge you for your sins? we are saints by faith and love not by how perfect we are. Because of the blood spilled our sake we are kings and priests, however we can never be perfect as long as we live in the flesh.
Blain please share with me your Idea of a SAINT... then also give me GOD's IDEA of a Saint... if the BIBLE says... PERFECTINNG THE SAINTS... what is this SAINT? Hagios in GREEK... HEILIGE in AFRIKAANS... please teach me so I can also know...I do not understand a PERFECT MAN THAT SINS... or A SAINT THAT SINS... It is an OXYMORON.. or something like that...

A Saint is a person that does not sin... that is what the Word of God calls a saint... And a person that sin... God calls them SINNERS.. and God calls them TO REPENT.. a REPENTED sinner is a SAINT because HE REPENTED FORM ALL SIn not some ALL.


At least get the words right. You cannot call a SAINT a sinner, and yuo cannot call a sinner a Saint... that is just LIEING and that is sin itself.
 
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Cobus if Jesus came to this morning, would you tell him how perfect you are, or would you eat dirt? ( that is a saying of putting your face on the ground). Yes or no?
 

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Blain please share with me your Idea of a SAINT... then also give me GOD's IDEA of a Saint... if the BIBLE says... PERFECTINNG THE SAINTS... what is this SAINT? Hagios in GREEK... HEILIGE in AFRIKAANS... please teach me so I can also know...I do not understand a PERFECT MAN THAT SINS... or A SAINT THAT SINS... It is an OXYMORON.. or something like that...

A Saint is a person that does not sin... that is what the Word of God calls a saint... And a person that sin... God calls them SINNERS.. and God calls them TO REPENT.. a REPENTED sinner is a SAINT because HE REPENTED FORM ALL SIn not some ALL.


At least get the words right. You cannot call a SAINT a sinner, and yuo cannot call a sinner a Saint... that is just LIEING and that is sin itself.
My idea of a saint is not someone who outwardly seems like one, nor someone who strives to be without sin. My idea of a saint is a person whose heart is in love with God, who truly care for him and his son. someone who is so very grateful for what Jesus did on the cross and someone who humbly knows they are a sinner but also realizes God loves them deeply. And I am pretty sure this is the same with God. If you wish to say you are without sin then say it but I don't think it wise to say anyone who is not perfect is not a saint. But can you truly look into your heart and know without a doubt you are perfect or without sin? throw the first stone and be justified, however if you see any sin in you then I would suggest backing down on your perfection theory. you can call me what you wish, and you can lie to yourself but not to God
 

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Cobus if Jesus came to this morning, would you tell him how perfect you are, or would you eat dirt? ( that is a saying of putting your face on the ground). Yes or no?
he'll avoid this question.
 
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Are greater than John the revelator? When Jesus confronted him, he found himself so weak that he could not stand and fell to the ground. Brother, friend we need the cross.
 

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I am going to bed and will continue discussing tomorrow probably in the after noon, but before I go I say this. I am a horrible sinner, I do not love as I should nor do I see people as Jesus does. So accordingly I am responsible to not judge anyone for their sins nor Is it my place or even Job to rebuke someone of theirs. but to be sinless and what it would take is not possible to obtain in this life, any negative or mean thought is in fact a sin, so we cannot possibly be sinless because we are all guilty of the same things. I am not called to rebuke or judge others, maybe other people can but my only Job to is have love and compassion on all peoples. even though I am not quite Good at it yet lol, if anyone wishes to be perfect there is but one way and that is by faith and love with Jesus. any other means is not going to work
 
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I am free. Free from the domination of sin. Unlike you my redeemption is not complete. The price has been paid, but the transaction is not complete. Not to down play the cross, but Jesus said when you see these signs look up for your redemption draws nigh. I have been redeemed in spirit. My mind is being renewed by the word of God ( and that is Jesus). My body has not yet been redeemed and no one has. AS long as we retain these flesh bodies we cannot uphold the perfection that God demands. This is the reason why we need the cross. Why couldn't OT SAINTS obtain even though their faith was in the cross. The same reason NT SAINTS cannot attain. Because we are in flesh bodies that came from Adam. When I got saved my body did not change did yours? We were created in His image 3 in 1. Mind (soul) spirit and body. The first two are changed by the cross and the third will be but not yet not until the kingdom age. Thats why we need the cross.
Kerry even my ten yearold duagter would say you make no SENCe...

In the one sentance you say you are free, then you say you are not complete, and as long as you sin you are NOT FREE from the domination of sin... God's victory over sin is the SEPERATION of sin. When God takes it AWAY from you you are free. As log as you have ONE sin, God still need to REMOVE that before you even become holy... God NEVER makes sin holy, HE REMOVESTHE SIN TO MAKE THE VESSEL HOLY... No vessel is holy with sin in it...

And you are right AS LONG AS WE ARE IN THE FLESHLY BODIES WE CANNOT UPHOLD THE PERFECTION THAT GOD DEMANDS... Maybe God knows this, and maybe that is why GOD PUTS HIS SON IN THIS FLESH TO BE PERFECT IN US./..//

Do you see now... ALL perfect people is NOT IN FLESH BUT IN GOD.... God says... ALL who are in Christ is HID IN GOD...

Christ in them and they are HID IN GOD... My friend when God implants HIS SEED in flesh.... HE IS IN THAT FLESH.. NOT THE PERSON THAT DIED OFF THE OLD MAN... GOD HIMSELF IS IN THAT PERSON...

Please read this Scripture.....I did not write this GOD DID... All you have to do is believe it... Imagine GOD AND JESUS MAKE THEIR ABODE WITH YOU... AND THEY NEVER LEAVE YOU AGAIN.... just imagine...

Some Scripture that take hands to show God in a man...

If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. (there is not ONE SIN IN RIGHTEOUSNESS NOT ONE)

John 17... I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


I believe God does this.... abviously I am one of VERY few that do believe this...
 
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he'll avoid this question.
Radies did Jesus not SAY THAT HE WILL CONFESS WITH ME THAT I AM HIS BROTHER AND NOT BE ASHAMED TO DO SO? AND DID GOD NOT SAY HIS SPIRIT WILL WITNESS WITH MY SPIRIT THAT I AN HIS CHILD...

But then do you BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD... If you crucify His messanger right here right now... What will you do to the GOD WITH THIS MESSAGE....

SINNER REPENT AND TURN TO GOD FOR SALVATION... AMEN!

Radius I will NOT answer foolish questions but this one of you was not foolish...
Do you believe Jesus will call me His brother and NOT BE ASHAMED TO DO SO?
 
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I am going to bed and will continue discussing tomorrow probably in the after noon, but before I go I say this. I am a horrible sinner, I do not love as I should nor do I see people as Jesus does. So accordingly I am responsible to not judge anyone for their sins nor Is it my place or even Job to rebuke someone of theirs. but to be sinless and what it would take is not possible to obtain in this life, any negative or mean thought is in fact a sin, so we cannot possibly be sinless because we are all guilty of the same things. I am not called to rebuke or judge others, maybe other people can but my only Job to is have love and compassion on all peoples. even though I am not quite Good at it yet lol, if anyone wishes to be perfect there is but one way and that is by faith and love with Jesus. any other means is not going to work
Blain GOD IS THE WAY OUT OF ALL SIN... just believe me on this, and if you boubt, I will give you God's own WORDS where He says he sets us free indeed...
 
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Kerry John is the greatest that is born of woman,,,, but he is NOTHING compared to the ones BORN OF GOD... Kerry you born of woman are smaller than John but you BORN OF GOD is WAY GREATER... There is also scripture for this... ALL WHO IS BORN OF GOD IS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD.... and John born of woman is the smallest of them...

ANOTHER proof of how great God's Salvation is... Kerry ALL I said comes from the Word... PLEASE BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD...
 
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If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Can you keep His words? at all times, even your thoughts. What will you say to Him? I have done this and I have done that. You are in error my friend. The only thing that we have is the cross. What will you say, what can you do. Answer, nothing except that we put our faith in the cross and nothing else. I am not promoting sin, I despise it and want nothing to do with it. But in my frail body, I fail at times and need the cross. Why would the apostle write that are sins are forgiven. That means past, present and future if we repent and ask God to forgive us. I forget where its at, but the word says if we sin that God is just and faithful to forgive us and he was writing to church folk. Have you been to church Cobus are those church folk perfect or do they get under your skin at times and say things that offend you. But, they love God and are saved. Perfect folk would not do that would they. But yet they do.
 

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By Jesus's sacrifice we are saved, by grace we are sanctified.

Jesus said God does not give as the world gives, so what is the difference?

The world demands that you pay a price to recieve what you need or want.

Cobus, we cannot be perfected by our own actions, for God perfect is so much higher and greater than us that we cannot even begin to conceive it.
For this very reason He sent Jesus who is without sinn, to be sin for us, for only in this could the price be payed.
You know this and see this. :)
To think we can ever become perfect on our own is to dismiss the gift we recieived in Jesus.
Are we to esteem to be Holy? Yes!
Are we called to avoid sin? Yes!
But not to earn anything, but so condemnation will not consume us, steal our hope and confidence.
Scripture says, blessed is the man that does not condemn himself in what he does.

Jesus said, I do not come to condemn the world but to save it!
It is not Jesus who condemns us, but we who condemn ourselves by doubt, fear , dispair, these are the fruits of sin and satans words.

Remeber when the woman was to be stoned to death, and Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone?
The only one there who could cast the first stone was Jesus, and He did not, instead He forgave her, and told her to sin no more.

Oh cobus, dont you see we are freed from condemnation through grace, but that God calls us to avoid sin so we will not cause ourselves to fall under condemnation.

For by faith on Jesus you have recieived salvation though grace, it is God's gift to you, so no man may take pride in it.

It is by this gift we know God's great love for us, and in this love that the desire to avoid sin is born in us because of our love for God.

I let some cause me to question wether I was worthy, because I thought I had to be perfect to receive God's love and salvation.
But then I was remined that to know Jesus, one must walk as He walked.
And as I persued Jesus in this, I came to know His love is given, not because we deserved or earned it, but because He loved us first, and forgives us.
This is the love we are called to, and in this we come to know the love in Jesus, that God has for us.

We are made saints by grace.
Because He who is perfect, has placed a part of His spirit in us, and we are born now in His spirit.
For He who has begun a good work in you, will bring it to compleation.
Faith, hope and love these are the things that last.
Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life!
We cannot enter any other way, only through Jesus!!!!

God bless
pickles

God said, in love,I sent my son Jesus in the flesh to pay the price for you, because I desire to give all to you.
 
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Why do you people want to hold me accountable for what I say or do....
If I FOLLOW what the SPIRIT LEADS ME,.,.. AM I doing MY WORKS or HIS? If I say what the WORD OF GOD says... AM I SAYING IT OR GOD?

Why do you kill me the messanger if God gave me the message? Why do you ask me if I AM A SINNER AND EVIL, if I bring you the news of GOD SAVING SINNERS?

Why do I have to be a sinner so you can feel better about your sins? Why do I walk with you, but when I ask you to walk with me NOT ONE RESPONDED... NOT ONE... On this MASSIVE Christian Site there was NOT ONE PERSON THAT WANTS TO WALK WITH ME...

And when did I refuse ANY of you... Why do I heve to be perfect first? Would you THEN BELIVE MATTHEW 5:48... NO YOU WOULD NOT! The MAN that TOLD YOU TO BE PERFECT WAS PERFECT... JESUS told you to be PERFECT, NOT COBUS... JESUS did. Why do you NOT BELIEVE HIM?

Do not believe me, but at least believe my WORDS for they ARE NOT MINE BUT THE FATHER'S.. They ARE NOT MY WORDS...MY BROTHER JESUS SAID THIS TO YOU, AND YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE HIM, BUT THEN I REPEAT MY FATHER'S WORDS EXACTLY LIKE MY BROTHER DID AND YOU SAY I AM PROUD OR TROLL OR SINNER OF LOST ... EXACTLY what you blamed HIM of when HE WAS HERE....

Why kill me the messanger... I only CARRY THE FATHER'S WORD...
 
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Anyway I got to go. I am not perfect and must work for my food. I wish Obama would take note of that. Not every one wants to live off of a broke, in debt government. I would rather provide for myself as God gives me the ability to do so. Amen and see ya later.
 
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Pickles show me ONE place where I said I am perfected bu ME OWN ACTIONS... just ONE, and I will go and NEVER return. If I EVER said I am perfect by my actions I am SATAN HIMSLEF, and then I WILL GATHER THE STONES YOU CAN STONE ME WITH...
But I know.... GOD PERFECTED ME WITH HIS WORKS... If you doubt this, then also tell me ....

Who is the PERFECTOR of the person god wants to use as a MESSANGER... NO ONE BUT GOD CAN,,,,

Matthew 28.... ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD... I just wish I would see some of these things here....

How can you say you love God and still sin? Did He not PLEAD for you on the cross... Do you know EVERY SIN YOU COMMIT CRUCIFY JESUS AGAIN!!!! God says if you LOVE HIM YOU WILL KEEP HIS WORDS... Now here is your challenge... Just KEEP THESE FEW... and ASK GOD TO HELP YOU TO BELIEVE HIM AND LOVE HIM AS HE IS WORTHY....

Matthew 5:48 ... KEEP THESE ONES IF YOU LOVE HIM...

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

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If I have misunderstood you then forgive me.
But then tell me, how are you perfect?
I ask this so I may understand what you are saying. :)

God bless
pickles
 

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Pickles show me ONE place where I said I am perfected bu ME OWN ACTIONS... just ONE, and I will go and NEVER return. If I EVER said I am perfect by my actions I am SATAN HIMSLEF, and then I WILL GATHER THE STONES YOU CAN STONE ME WITH...
But I know.... GOD PERFECTED ME WITH HIS WORKS... If you doubt this, then also tell me ....

Who is the PERFECTOR of the person god wants to use as a MESSANGER... NO ONE BUT GOD CAN,,,,

Matthew 28.... ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD... I just wish I would see some of these things here....

How can you say you love God and still sin? Did He not PLEAD for you on the cross... Do you know EVERY SIN YOU COMMIT CRUCIFY JESUS AGAIN!!!! God says if you LOVE HIM YOU WILL KEEP HIS WORDS... Now here is your challenge... Just KEEP THESE FEW... and ASK GOD TO HELP YOU TO BELIEVE HIM AND LOVE HIM AS HE IS WORTHY....

Matthew 5:48 ... KEEP THESE ONES IF YOU LOVE HIM...

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
This is the vibe that you have been giving off by the "you must be perfect" stuff you are saying. Everyone assumes you mean by your actions you must be perfect. You have to be clearer then on what you want to say.
 
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I am not proud of who I am, but JESUS IS PLEASED of WHO I AM... He is NOT ASHAMED... why? Because I am a product of the MIGHTY GOD OF SALVATION...

God made me in the PERFECT image of my Brother Jesus.... If I say ANYTHING ELSE. then I deny HIM HIS HONOR...

I am not what I want to be. I am what GOD WANTS ME TO BE.... A loving HOLY Brother for you all. And because I love God with the LOVE HE GAVE me, I am now the EVIL ONE.

I am so humble to say this, but this is right off my heart.... Who of you can say COBUS DID NOT LOVE ME.... And who of you can say... COBUS DOES NOT LOVE THE HOLY FATHER OF HEAVENS... Now is that not PERFEECTION... SINLESS AND HOLY...

So there please with all humbleness show me where I did not LOVE YOU, or I DID NOT LOVE JESUS...

PRAISE THE GOD ALMIGHTY... HE GAVE ME HIS LOVE... AND NOW I CAN LOVE YOU ALL AS HE LOVES YOU... PERFECT!
 
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Radius I love you my man AS I LOVE MUSELF... do you think I am PERFECT? Or do you think I do not love you. Do you think I do not LOVE GOD MORE THAN MYSELF?
 
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Radius whose words are these... Matthew 5:48... Mine or God's? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.