The End Times: Who is the Beast and the Antichrist?

[Inquisitor]

Some scholars interpret Mystery Babylon as a religious system - a one-world religion. If that is true, it's already been formed in 2022 called the Abrahamic Family House that combines Christian, Jewish and Muslim religions along with all the others in the world. It's HQ is in Abu Dhabi. It might be the Babylon the Bible talks about - it's very wealthy and also has a port!

But we'll know for sure if the AC and false prophet gloms on to this religious institution for a time and then destroy it. 🤷 We'll see.


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To identify the whore as a religion is not based on the text. That is more of an interpretation of the text.

The whore according to the text is the great city, seven hills, massive exports, controls kings, etc.

It's better to establish first what the text describes as the whore. Then we know what we are dealing with.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Problem is the Vatican has no exports.

see link about tome ( with the vatican in the center of it on the 7 hills of ROME)
https://www.unrv.com/economy/trade-goods.php

 

[Inquisitor]

What trump is going thru would be politically fatal to anyone but him, it just makes him stronger. What does the Bible say about someone who suffers a seemingly fatal blow to then take power?

My take ... not prophesy but opinion ... trump will broker a peace deal between Israel and the Arabs. He's already making headway on that. This will allow the Jews to start rebuilding their temple. When it's done, he'll declare himself god and move in.

And no I do not hate trump. I hate that he's deceiving believers that he is from God, all the while leading them away from core Godly values.

A very large stretch of the imagination.

Peace between Israel and the Muslim nations, impossible.

A third temple in Jerusalem, impossible. The population of Israel is mostly secular and not interested in the law of Moses.

I do not think Trump will claim to be God, no country on earth would envisage Trump as God. He is a fat business man, suffering from an affliction of narcissism. The fellow doesn't seem to know much about anything. He is very old just like Biden.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

What trump is going thru would be politically fatal to anyone but him, it just makes him stronger. What does the Bible say about someone who suffers a seemingly fatal blow to then take power?

My take ... not prophesy but opinion ... trump will broker a peace deal between Israel and the Arabs. He's already making headway on that. This will allow the Jews to start rebuilding their temple. When it's done, he'll declare himself god and move in.

And no I do not hate trump. I hate that he's deceiving believers that he is from God, all the while leading them away from core Godly values.

It's not Trump. He's too old to be the antichrist! The globalists and the left just hate him and doesn't want Christians supporting Him. It's not really about Trump at all. When the next candidate that Christians support comes out, the globalists and the left are going to claim that person is the antichrist too. Lol!


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[Inquisitor]

see link about tome ( with the vatican in the center of it on the 7 hills of ROME)
https://www.unrv.com/economy/trade-goods.php

Of course, you can run with that interpretation or any interpretation you choose. The text is specific that the whore is the great city and has exports. The Vatican is not a great city and has no exports.

There is always a difference between what the text states and an interpretation that is based on the text.

This is why eschatology as a whole contains such a multitude of views.

The Vatican exists within Rome but is recognized as a separate state by the UN.

 

[Soyeong]

I'm talking about THE antichrist, not the common antichrist. Who do you think it is?


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People will come up for reasons why the political leaders are the antichrist until he comes, though whoever he is, he is identified as someone who is against obeying the Mosaic Law.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

To identify the whore as a religion is not based on the text. That is more of an interpretation of the text.

The whore according to the text is the great city, seven hills, massive exports, controls kings, etc.

It's better to establish first what the text describes as the whore. Then we know what we are dealing with.

I don't fully understand the concept of Babylon very well. All I know is that some scholars say that there are two being identified instead of one (🤷) in that there is Mystery Babylon which is a one-world religion and then Babylon the Great which is an actual very wealthy city with a major port.

That's why I've been keeping up news about the Abrahamic Family House (the one-world religious institute) which is situated in Abu Dhabi which has a major port for distribution of goods all over the world. That's all!


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[Inquisitor]

People will come up for reasons why the political leaders are the antichrist until he comes, though whoever he is, he is identified as someone who is against obeying the Mosaic Law.

Three characters.

First beast, second beast, the whore.

Which one is the antichrist and why?

 

[selahsays]

A very large stretch of the imagination.

Peace between Israel and the Muslim nations, impossible.

A third temple in Jerusalem, impossible. The population of Israel is mostly secular and not interested in the law of Moses.

I do not think Trump will claim to be God, no country on earth would envisage Trump as God. He is a fat business man, suffering from an affliction of narcissism. The fellow doesn't seem to know much about anything. He is very old just like Biden.

The fellow that will be deceiving the world is none other than Satan.

I agree, nothing to fear from death, we all die anyway.

I am making the point that the false prophet is the central character in the end times. The text clearly tells us the false prophet will have you killed for not getting the mark. Or for not worshiping the beast.

Far to many views in eschatology only mention the first beast and the whore. For some unknown reason the main character is the second beast and is missing in eschatology.

Anyone know why?

I don’t know why because it is written plainly who the AC will be.

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

- Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Jerusalem does not export much,

We are talking about imports.

is not a great city,

It is according to the scriptures which I have already provided...unless you can find another "great city" that is guilty of the blood of the prophets. Good luck with that. You are going to need that and a whole lot more (like mind-altering drugs).

does not rule over the kings of the earth.

The revelation that John was given pertains to things which then were, and to things which would be thereafter or in the future.

Revelation 1:19

"Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

With this reality in mind, here is what you alluded to in context:

Revelation 17:12-18

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Jerusalem will be reigning over the kingdoms of the earth during the timeframe when these ten kings receive their power.

I don't think Jerusalem even has a port.

It does not matter for at least two reasons:

1. Solomon received merchandise for the temple in Jerusalem by ship in his day.

1 Kings 10:11-12

"And the navy also of Hiram, that brought gold from Ophir, brought in from Ophir great plenty of almug trees, and precious stones. And the king made of the almug trees pillars for the house of the LORD, and for the king's house, harps also and psalteries for singers: there came no such almug trees, nor were seen unto this day."

2. There are major ports near enough to Jerusalem from which merchants could easily see the smoke of her burning.

https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/6-major-ports-of-israel/

 

[Rondonmon]

There's a thread right now called "What is the point of being a prophet?" where the original poster starts with that question and then several posts later give his prophecy about the beast which he thinks is Russia, the antichrist which he thinks is Putin and the US he thinks is Babylon. There are too many Bible verses that contradict that prophecy and I posted that as such.

OK, reading through the thread you seem to have common sense on these things, you understand the A.C. has to come out of Europe etc. So, I think I can help you on all three, i was called unto Prophecy nigh 40 years ago and in the last 7 or 8, since my heart attack slowed me down I have searched much, much deeper.

Babylon is very easy, the fatal flaw we see is people say Mystery Babylon, well it was never a mystery or Musterion (secret by God's silence) because in Rev. 17:7 the angel says come I will show you the Mystery, so we missed the clues. Rev. 16:19 is the payoff, at the 7th Vial Jesus lands, kills off the evil the city/states (Nations) and God says He has given "Babylon the Great" the great wrath of His Wine-press" so all we have to do is find out who gathered at Armageddon to fight Jesus/God. Well, lets look at Vial #6 it says that the Kings of the Whole world gather to fight Almighty God. There is our answer, Babylon is the WHOLE WORLD, Satan's Dark Kingdom on this earth where he seeks to so confuse mankind that they will try to fight their own loving Creator. That is Babel (confusion) at its finest. Now, Babylon gets judged in Rev. 18, not Rev. 17, (people conflate them, I'll tell why in a bit) Notice in Rev. 18:2 it says Babylon has become the habitation of devils, well of course, Satan and his demons are cast down to earth AND Apollyon and his Demons are freed from the pit. In vs. 4 God tells Israel to come out of her(Babylon) my people (He's telling the Jews who repent to Flee Judea) lest you receive of her plagues. In verses 8 and 10 we see Babylon falls in ONE HOUR and in ONE DAY, well both mean 42 months the DOTL lasts 42 months, and the 10 Kings (Complete E.U) rules ONE HOUR with the Beast (42 months). So Rev. 18 is merely Babylon (Satan's Dark Kingdom of confusion on this earth) getting pummeled by God's plagues over a 42 month period of time, spoken in prose.

So, why do we confuse "THE HARLOT" of Rev. 17 with Babylon? The MYSTERY BABYLON moniker is wrong. It was never MYSTERY BABYLON it was simply saying the Harlot's MYSTERY is described HERE:

MYSTERY (?)
1.) Babylon the Great ( The city of note throughout history most assoc. with FALSE RELIGION)

2.) Mother of Harlots (FALSE RELIGION was the original Harlotry against God)

3.) Abominations of the Earth ( God is a jealous God and hates all FALSE REIGION)

Harlots of old gathered in the city center with a name tag (headband) so their suitors would recognize them. Here, God gave us "three descriptors" unto who the Harlot is, now notice how the Harlot (False Religion) RODE the backs of the [Gov.] Beasts and we all know they were co-mingled, from Egypt, to Babylon, to Greece to Rome they all served False Gods, the last beast (Anti-Christ) will be different, he and his 10 (E.U.) kings will KILL OFF the Harlot (False Religions) because he demands to be worshiped as the only GOD !! Thus God uses them to judge the Harlot as vs. 17 says. When the angel vs. 18 reminds John what he saw, it was meant to relay a message that they key to the Harlot can be found in his vision, which covers on four (4) verse, Rev. 17:3-6, we get all the clues we need right there. THAT CITY is Babylon, not Rome, not Jerusalem, and that clue is what tells us the Harlot = ALL False Religion of all time, then the other clues fall into place. She has the blood of the Saints (Jews) AND the blood of the Martyrs of Jesus on her hands, so she is on both sides of the cross. She sits on many waters (false religion is in all nations, of course).

I will do the other later, unraveling all the misunderstandings on Babylon is a chore, that is because people conflate "The Rev. 17 Harlot who gets JUDGED by the 10 Kings/A.C." with Babylon who gets Judged by God. NOTICE, whenever Babylon falls Jesus takes over from Satan.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

We are talking about imports.
It is according to the scriptures which I have already provided...unless you can find another "great city" that is guilty of the blood of the prophets. Good luck with that. You are going to need that and a whole lot more (like mind-altering drugs).
The revelation that John was given pertains to things which then were, and to things which would be thereafter or in the future.

Revelation 1:19

"Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

With this reality in mind, here is what you alluded to in context:

Revelation 17:12-18

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Jerusalem will be reigning over the kingdoms of the earth during the timeframe when these ten kings receive their power.
It does not matter for at least two reasons:

1. Solomon received merchandise for the temple in Jerusalem by ship in his day.

1 Kings 10:11-12

"And the navy also of Hiram, that brought gold from Ophir, brought in from Ophir great plenty of almug trees, and precious stones. And the king made of the almug trees pillars for the house of the LORD, and for the king's house, harps also and psalteries for singers: there came no such almug trees, nor were seen unto this day."

2. There are major ports near enough to Jerusalem from which merchants could easily see the smoke of her burning.

https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/6-major-ports-of-israel/

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[seekingthemindofChrist]

When I read the revelation verses posted here, the first thing that comes to mind that is a perfect fit is the Vatican....

Revelation 17:4-5

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Revelation 17:18

"And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

Blessings.

The Vatican is the beast, and not the whore.

I will address the importance of the clothing issue in a future post when I have more time available to do so. When I do, it will be obvious that the woman who is clothed in this fashion is Jerusalem.

Also, "Babylon the Great" is THE MOTHER of harlots. A mother comes before her children, and she is the progenitor of the same.

God has been rightly accusing Jerusalem of harlotry long before the Vatican ever reared its ugly head.

Here is but one of many examples of what I am referring to:

Ezekiel 36:1-3

"Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite."

Continuing on, and while speaking to Jerusalem in context, the LORD said through the prophet Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 16:35-41

"Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare. They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords. And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more."

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

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That's you, and not me.

You hate the word of God.

If not, then show us what "great city," other than Jerusalem, is guilty of the blood of the prophets.

Good luck.

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

...and that goes double for selahsays.

You can give me all the thumb's downs and red x's that you would like to give me, but it is really God's word that you hate.

If not, then show us what "great city," other than Jerusalem, is guilty of the blood of the prophets.

Like I said, good luck.

 

[selahsays]

...and that goes double for selahsays.

You can give me all the thumb's downs and red x's that you would like to give me, but it is really God's word that you hate.

If not, then show us what "great city," other than Jerusalem, is guilty of the blood of the prophets.

Like I said, good luck.

Press on!

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Press on!

In other words, you cannot do what you were asked to do.

Next...

 

[jb]

What I don't get about Jerusalem being Babylon, is that all these merchants and sailors are mourning over it...

Jerusalem is not a port-city. And was Israel ever a major, major importer of stuff compared to other countries? You could wipe Israel off the map, and what would be the real impact on the global economy?


Guess my post was 15 min late- but I definitely agree.

In rejecting the clear Scriptural naming of Babylon, the Prostitute, the City, the Great One, as Jerusalem (Rev 11v8) you are fulfilling Rev 22v18,19!

My...How man likes to think he knows better than the Lord Jesus!

 

[Wansvic]

Nations existing at the time of the end as seen in each country's recognized symbol: Lion-Great Britain, Bear-Russia, Leopard-Germany, Eagles wings-America. The 10 horn beast could easily be seen as the European Union.

Daniel's vision depicts Lion with eagle wings, and in Revelation the wings are no longer on the Lion. Why? It could be because America was part of Great Britain until 1776. America's symbol is the Eagle.

Some prophecy teachers say the Lion=Babylon, Bear=Media Persia, Leopard= Greece, 10 horn=Rome. However the bible contradicts this teaching. See Daniel 8:20-21: Media-Persia is the ram, Greece is the rough goat.



Revelation 17 records things that point to the actual identify of the Whore of Babylon. Jerusalem does not meet all the criteria. Note however, Rome does:

Mystery Babylon the Mother Harlots is drunken with the blood of saints - could be seen as applying to Jerusalem and Rome/Catholicism. Many millions were killed by the Catholic Church during the time of the Inquisition, and Crusades.

1. Great City - (verse 18) Could apply to both.

2. Sits upon many waters = nations in whom she commands influence - (verses 1-2) Does not apply to Jerusalem.

3. She sits on seven mountains (verse 9) - The 7 hills some equate to Jerusalem include hills outside the city. Whereas, Rome is city actually located on 7 hills.

4. She is arrayed in purple and scarlet (verse 4) = No association to Jerusalem. However, the colors apply to Catholic bishop's (House of Representatives) and cardinal's (Senate) apparel.

5. Mother of Harlots. (verse 5) Meaning she has daughters. No association to Jerusalem.

The Roman Catholic professes to be the mother from whom sprung Protestant daughters. (churches)

What makes them considered daughters is that Protestant churches continued water baptism practices initiated by the self proclaimed "Mother" church. (Council of Nicea, 325 A.D.) Removing the all powerful name of the Lord Jesus Christ in regards to water baptism is in direct opposition to the revelation found within the word. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

Protestant reformers broke away from "the mother church" in 16th century. The RCC called the Council of Trent wherein they condemned the practices of the protestants but acknowledged the protestants had not forsaken the mother's baptism. Afterward at Vatican Council II, in 1961-62, it was stated that the mother church was opening its arms for all our daughters (churches) to return home.

The end time Whore of Babylon rides on a scarlet (red) beast. Red is the color of communism. Again, the beast is nations upon whom she rides. The end time will see a coalition between Catholicism (religious leader-Pope) and a communistic/marxist one world governmental system having the antichrist as it's political leader. The Lord Jesus will conquer both and they will be thrown into the lake of fire. This is no way depicts Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the only democratic country in the Middle East.


The Antichrist:
The Antichrist will be promoted by a miracle-working religious partner; the false prophet


A. Antichrist is a man (Daniel 7:24-25)

B. Antichrist will confirm the Abrahamic covenant (Daniel 9:27)

C. Antichrist will arise among ten kings (Daniel 7:24 & Revelation 17:12-13)

D. Antichrist will uproot three kings (Daniel 7:8 & Daniel 7:24)

E. Antichrist will use peace as a weapon (Daniel 8:25)

F. Antichrist will have a fierce countenance (Daniel 7:20 & Daniel 8:23)

G. Antichrist will claim to be God (II Thessalonians 2:3-4)

1. This event is called the Abomination of Desolation (Antichrist revealed)

H. Antichrist will be regarded as brilliant (Daniel 7:8 & Daniel 8:23)

I. Antichrist will persecute God’s people (Revelation 13:7 & Daniel 7:21)

J. Antichrist will dominate the world but will face resistance (Revelation 12:14)

K. Antichrist will not control the country of Jordan (Daniel 11:41 & Daniel 11:44)

L. Antichrist will honor the God of forces (Daniel 11:38 & Daniel 11:31)

M. Antichrist will change times and laws (Daniel 7:25

N. Antichrist will not regard the desire of women (Daniel 11:37)

1. The desire of women is to have children

O. The number of his name will be 666 (Revelation 13:18)

1. The number of his name (Revelation 15:2)



The False Prophet

A. False Prophet looks like a lamb (seems to be a representative of Jesus) but he spake like a dragon (Satan) (Revelation 13:11)

1. The Dragon is Satan (Revelation 12:9)

B. False Prophet will pull fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:12-13)

1. Search the scriptures (John 5:39)

C. Works miracles to influence worship to the beast (Revelation 13:14 & Revelation 19:20)

D. False Prophet will be a chief perpetrator of the Great Tribulation (Revelation 13:15)

E. False Prophet will be a driving force for the Mark of the Beast (Revelation 13:16-17)

F. False Prophet will help influence world leaders to invade Israel (Revelation 16:13-14)

Notes: endtime.com


The Holy Roman Empire always had two leaders - A political leader from Europe and a spiritual leader from Rome

 

[SomeDisciple]

In rejecting the clear Scriptural naming of Babylon, the Prostitute, the City, the Great One, as Jerusalem (Rev 11v8) you are fulfilling Rev 22v18,19!

My...How man likes to think he knows better than the Lord Jesus!

Ugh... lay off the bath salts; I didn't reject anything. I said "I don't get it."