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Hi, LBG-
I'm in a Pastoral position with a Recovery ministry for alcohol/substance abusers, and have spent years in prison ministry and in various community-based ministries to reach those who are truly in need. We regularly see miracles in our Church services and in all these outreach ministries. And I'm not talking about hangnails and tummy-aches, either. God has done many incredible things as the power of His Word and Spirit go forth. I'm blessed to have been a part of many signs and wonders. Blind eyes and deaf ears opened. Lame walking. Terminal diseases healed. True healing and deliverance from sin and sickness. God is still a miracle-working God!
All glory and honor and praise to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!
I'm in a Pastoral position with a Recovery ministry for alcohol/substance abusers, and have spent years in prison ministry and in various community-based ministries to reach those who are truly in need. We regularly see miracles in our Church services and in all these outreach ministries. And I'm not talking about hangnails and tummy-aches, either. God has done many incredible things as the power of His Word and Spirit go forth. I'm blessed to have been a part of many signs and wonders. Blind eyes and deaf ears opened. Lame walking. Terminal diseases healed. True healing and deliverance from sin and sickness. God is still a miracle-working God!
All glory and honor and praise to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!
Hi, LBG-
I'm in a Pastoral position with a Recovery ministry for alcohol/substance abusers, and have spent years in prison ministry and in various community-based ministries to reach those who are truly in need. We regularly see miracles in our Church services and in all these outreach ministries. And I'm not talking about hangnails and tummy-aches, either. God has done many incredible things as the power of His Word and Spirit go forth. I'm blessed to have been a part of many signs and wonders. Blind eyes and deaf ears opened. Lame walking. Terminal diseases healed. True healing and deliverance from sin and sickness. God is still a miracle-working God!
All glory and honor and praise to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!
I'm in a Pastoral position with a Recovery ministry for alcohol/substance abusers, and have spent years in prison ministry and in various community-based ministries to reach those who are truly in need. We regularly see miracles in our Church services and in all these outreach ministries. And I'm not talking about hangnails and tummy-aches, either. God has done many incredible things as the power of His Word and Spirit go forth. I'm blessed to have been a part of many signs and wonders. Blind eyes and deaf ears opened. Lame walking. Terminal diseases healed. True healing and deliverance from sin and sickness. God is still a miracle-working God!
All glory and honor and praise to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!
Thank you for this post, and I sincerely mean that. I wholeheartedly believe you are simply being honest.
And this shows that those who INSIST a Trinity formula is believed to have eternal life HAVE LITTLE UNDERSTANDING of what REALLY MATTERS in Christianity.
I never thought(being somewhat intransigent and believing I know the truth of God's word, but at least I am just being honest) that I could learn that much from these websites. But I have learned something. If the Trinitarian beliefs echoed from the main contributors on this website are a reflection of Trinitarian churches at large it is no wonder there numbers are dwindling and record numbers are leaving the establisherd churches, disenchanted
For surely man made beliefs built on the natural intellectual mind are superceeding and ignoring the plainest of scripture. A Christianity built on 'head theology' is for many what they see as following Christ's teaching, assuredly this can never be so.
I am afraid I see so many Trinitarian beliefs and therefore churches as weak and powerless. People are happily and eagerly it seems CONDEMNING PEOPLE FOR BELIEVING THE PLAIN WORDS OF SCRIPTURE
You are absolutely correct. Would God expect a ten year old to understand theology according to what many are demanding? By coming on these websites it has nmade me question the idea of Trinity whereas before it never consumed my mind or troubled me one way or the other
So many of these Trinitarians are absolutely LOST, tied up in man made theology and this matters more than the HEART to them, and the basis of Christianity which Christ so clearly and continuosly explained.
I have far more respect for you and Ricke(who I probably wouldn't exactly see eye to eye with on this subject) than the main Trinitarians who have contributed to these debates,. For only Trinitarians have claimed I have no eternal life.
And I doubt these people who follow their 'INFALLIBLE CHURCHES' and believe they can provide wonderful exegesis of scripture according to pronoun and the greek translations will EVER see the power of the Spirit you have. For you are surely living out the TRUE GOSPEL in ministering to the people you are
To these people what matters is their HEAD THEOLOGY BUILT ON THE WISE MEN OF THIS WORLD. And they stamp on the plainest of statements in the Bible and turn a deaf ear to them because they don't fit in with the indoctrination they have been given
They are only to happy to condemn others emitting a pride and arrogance that is truly disconcerting to see.
Although I may not see this subject entirely as you do, I KNOW you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN. But remember what Christ said while carrying his cross
'If they do such things as this to me the living tree what will they do to you? (Living Bible translation)
Christ was refering to religious people, not the non religious.
So many do not want to understand the HEART of the Gospel just have a form of Godliness while denying its power
There is nothing wrong with the human intellect, but Christianity CANNOT STAND ON THE NATURAL INTELLECT
Their Gospel is weak and powerless because it is built on the shallowness of man, not the truth of scripture
They won't accept the plainest of statements in God's word and call people heretics who do stand on them.
They add to what Christ said is required for eternal life and I do not believe in their hearts they understand the TRUE GOSPEL, it is just Head theology.
BTW
I hope I didn't put you off explaining fully your belief on this subject to me. I would always be happy to hear your opinons on this because you do not go around condemning people who stand on scripture, and are not led by man but rather by God
And I do see Christ as having the very natire of his Father, and is a sure and true reflection of who the Father is. If anyone says I see Christ as an ordinary man they deliberately misinterpret my belief on this subject.
Once again. It is great to know you are donig the work you are. So many churchjes are just filled with those who are from the intellectually more gifted half of society and the more affluent half of society and come from loving, secure backgrounds
Yoiu are living out the HEART of Christianity, this will ALWAYS matter more to God than those proud people who believe they with their human mind can point a blind man to Heaven because of the so called 'truth' they believe they have. Biut truth all too often that lacks true LOVE, MERCY AND COMPASSION as seen all too often during these debates.
Gospel! Wha
t is their true Gospel? I do not recognise it in the Bible
I would add that if you asked most of these people what the basis was for Christianity once a person was saved most of them would probably tell you
'Look to the written law of the Ten Comamndemnts and strive to obey them', before they would say
The basis of Christianity is standing on faith in Christ.
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Such is the weak and watered down message of the TRUE GOSPEL we have today. No wonder they do not see the power
'Look to the written law of the Ten Comamndemnts and strive to obey them', before they would say
The basis of Christianity is standing on faith in Christ.
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Such is the weak and watered down message of the TRUE GOSPEL we have today. No wonder they do not see the power
R
In the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word was God
So you think this means Christ is God Himself and because of this we have to belioeve Christ is God himself to have eternal life
Well lets look at some other verses John wrote
The Father is greater than all John 10:29
The Father is greater than I John 14:28
That they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent John 17:3
No-one has ever seen God 1 John 4:12
And 1 John 4:15 which I previously quoted.
The word was with(besides/with) God. And the literal word itself was the word of God. Christ only spoke what his Father gave him to speak
But as you don't accept so much of what John wrote, I doubt you will correctly accept John 1:1
So you think this means Christ is God Himself and because of this we have to belioeve Christ is God himself to have eternal life
Well lets look at some other verses John wrote
The Father is greater than all John 10:29
The Father is greater than I John 14:28
That they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent John 17:3
No-one has ever seen God 1 John 4:12
And 1 John 4:15 which I previously quoted.
The word was with(besides/with) God. And the literal word itself was the word of God. Christ only spoke what his Father gave him to speak
But as you don't accept so much of what John wrote, I doubt you will correctly accept John 1:1
Anyone can incorrectly cite Scriptures to prove an unbiblical doctrine. I accept John's Gospel, but you are trying to distort John's meaning. Yes, the Father is greater than Christ. That means that Christ is not the cause of the Father, but the Father is the cause of Christ. It's all about causality, not Divinity. Christ is equally God (see John 1:1). You incorrectly cite 1 John 4:12. No one can see God in His essence, is what that verse means. In the person of His Son, God can be seen. "He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father", Christ said. We see Jesus. Jesus is the Way to the Father and the Spirit. He is "the fullness of the Godhead bodily".
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"The Father is Greater then I"....translates to "The.Spirit (The Father) is greater then I (God in Flesh)
Jesus taught to pray always to The Spirit, to crucify the Lusts, and Weakness of Flesh.
R
I'm assuming the one thing left is Christian. Seeing as the whole last bit was the basic formula the LDS use in their "I'm a Mormon" videos. Still I'm wagering whatever you believe has a name from somewhere in Church history. Because if there is one thing the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Oneness Pentecostals prove. It is that there truly is nothing new under the sun.
R
Mormons are Tritheists with a twist, which is why I excluded both. The truth is certainly Christian.
What's frustrating is that everyone thinks they're right and think they have a bulletproof understanding of God; generally presuming others to be ignorant and in need of being taught.
Until... someone like me presses hard for "proof". Then it's defensiveness, double-standards, mystery, accusations, false humility, and feigned love with more accusations.
I've spent 13 years praying and fasting through the Word and every historical writing from the resurrection forward. It gets old arguing with pious, arrogant, and presumptuous novices who exalt themselves and are oblivious to someone else knowing anything. Everybody's an authority. Everybody's a teacher.
But I'm the Devil because I expose feeble unsubstantial indoctrination. I'm in error because I dare expose the extra-biblical term person, which has corrupted the faith for 1.7 millennia.
Person(s) isn't just insertion or interpretation; it's substitution. God isn't three persons, He's something ELSE! It's been danced around for millenia, and never excluded as anathema.
It doesn't really matter in a sense. Most Trinis don't believe because of scripture; they believe because they've been taught. It's blanket indoctrination, and few will consider anything else. They'll toss out a few weak proof-texts and then revert to a denial coping mechanism and lash out at what threatens their weak foundation of indoctrination.
I have hundreds of questions that would turn Trinis on their heads, but I'm just sick of the widespread arrogant ignorance everywhere; and the most adamant are the least capable.
I came here to lovingly share the truth, and ran into a buzzsaw of novice insistence. Now I just stand on the Word and demand scripture and exegesis from the self-assured accusers.
Perhaps I'll share the truth. I'm waiting for someone to come down from their orthodox throne and admit the absurdity of the term person(s).
What's frustrating is that everyone thinks they're right and think they have a bulletproof understanding of God; generally presuming others to be ignorant and in need of being taught.
Until... someone like me presses hard for "proof". Then it's defensiveness, double-standards, mystery, accusations, false humility, and feigned love with more accusations.
I've spent 13 years praying and fasting through the Word and every historical writing from the resurrection forward. It gets old arguing with pious, arrogant, and presumptuous novices who exalt themselves and are oblivious to someone else knowing anything. Everybody's an authority. Everybody's a teacher.
But I'm the Devil because I expose feeble unsubstantial indoctrination. I'm in error because I dare expose the extra-biblical term person, which has corrupted the faith for 1.7 millennia.
Person(s) isn't just insertion or interpretation; it's substitution. God isn't three persons, He's something ELSE! It's been danced around for millenia, and never excluded as anathema.
It doesn't really matter in a sense. Most Trinis don't believe because of scripture; they believe because they've been taught. It's blanket indoctrination, and few will consider anything else. They'll toss out a few weak proof-texts and then revert to a denial coping mechanism and lash out at what threatens their weak foundation of indoctrination.
I have hundreds of questions that would turn Trinis on their heads, but I'm just sick of the widespread arrogant ignorance everywhere; and the most adamant are the least capable.
I came here to lovingly share the truth, and ran into a buzzsaw of novice insistence. Now I just stand on the Word and demand scripture and exegesis from the self-assured accusers.
Perhaps I'll share the truth. I'm waiting for someone to come down from their orthodox throne and admit the absurdity of the term person(s).
R
[quote=PneumaPsucheSoma;404217]Yessir. And no-name baptism is a huge part of the problem. Jesus knew what He meant in Matt. 28:19, and it's evidenced in all six baptisms in scripture; which means the Apostles knew also.
So... not only do we get an insufficient means of baptism, but an erroneous doctrine of God Himself. And nowhere in Scripture does God express Himself as three "persons".
Paul knew who Jesus was and called Him the prosopon (G4383) in 2Cor. 2:10.
So... not only do we get an insufficient means of baptism, but an erroneous doctrine of God Himself. And nowhere in Scripture does God express Himself as three "persons".
Paul knew who Jesus was and called Him the prosopon (G4383) in 2Cor. 2:10.
You still haven't shown how a non person can be the Father of Christ, a person. Scott/ Erie PS You still
haven't shown that the Spirit is not a person, when only a person can
be lied to (Acts 5).
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Read I Timothy 3 v 16, God, The Father, created Himself in A Fleshly.Body. he did not create "Junior" like your Dad, and My Dad did before we were born. You need to understand this always so as to keepthongs in their proper prespective.....God is Almighty....He can do anything, anytime, anywhere, whatever pleases him, when it pleases him. Look at the pictures for example taken by the Hubble Telescope.See all that Breath Taking Beauty? See how God made all that across thousands of Lightyears from our feeble minds here? How does all those things work?....God Knows....He Even rebuked Job for speaking like a fool..
Job chapters 38-40....Go read that. Our minds are Finite..God's mind is Infinite. You.,or I, or anyone will never, ever, understand the Mysteries of God. All I know..."Yes, and Amen" to his word. His teachings, are not all Literal....They are in Parable form, Type and Shadow, Double Meanings, etc. The Only way a person can have a chance to understand The Scriptutes.....is through The Spirit of God inside them. Read: Luke 24 v45 for proof....
R
Dear Ricke, How do you know that Water Baptism in the
name of the Father, Son,and the Holy Spirit, was not practiced
by the original apostles of Jesus Christ in the first century
Church? How do you know that? Were you there? (Of course,
I'm joking.) But seriously: What early witnesses do you base
that on? What written testimony is there on how the early
Church baptized? Can you confirm that by descendants of
people who were there? Which line of successions passes
down the information that the early church was anti-Trinity.
You are presuming to tell us something for which you offer
nothing but your saying "it is so", so we should just believe it.
Which early writer said it was so? Did any of the Apostolic
Fathers (you know that writing?) say the same thing that you
say? Take care. In Erie Scott
I base my statement, thatThe Apostles of Jesus, never
baptized one single person (According to Scripture) in the
Triune formula of "Father, Son, Holy Ghost".....The
Proof.....Acts 2 v 38/ Acts 8 v 16/Acts 10 v 43-48...Peter
Commanded Them....to be Baptized in The Name of The Lord
(Jesus) then finally read what Apostle Paul, told the Former
Disciples of John The Baptist....Acts 19 verses 1-7....."When
they heard this, they were Baptized in the NAME of THE
LORD"......now please show us Just one example in the NT,
where Peter, Paul, or the others ever Baptized in Father, Son
, Holy Ghost???....Just one verse....[/SIZE]
I keep telling you Amigo.....Father, Son, Holy.Ghost are One
and The Same, not 3 persons. Jesus told them in Matthew 28
v 19 to Baptize in THE NAME of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
You got to know The Name.Iama Father, and Iam a Son....but
that is not MY NAME. Jesuhs spoke a Preposional Phrase, which
reverts back to the Name of The 3 Manifestations. That is why
His Apostles, filled with The Holy.Ghost, only Baptized Folks
in the NAME, not The Titles...
If you baptize a repentent sinner, in Father, Son, Holy
Ghost,all you've done is Baptize a Dry sinner, who comes up
out of the water, Wet Sinner, simply put. Acts 4 v12, tells us,
No other name is given under heaven (Jesus) whereby we
must be saved.....Father, Son, Holy Ghost, is'nt applying The
NAME that will save you.....check this out.....Colossians 3 v
17....." And WHATSOEVER YOU DO, in Word, or Deed, DO ALL
in THE NAME of THE LORD JESUS, giving Thanks to God, and
The Father by him"
"ALL you do in WORD OR DEED".....100%.....no
excuses....Praise The Lord![/quote]
Dear Ricke,
Then, of course, you are indeed calling the Lord Jesus Christ
Himself a liar, because He commanded His apostles to be
baptizing them "in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). You simply cannot
place Acts 4:12 against Matthew 28:19. They are both in
Scripture, and St. Matthew isn't preaching another Gospel
from St. Luke in Acts. Baptism in the name of Jesus is
baptism in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the Son, so to baptize in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is to
baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. The early Christians
didn't have this mental problem you have, in picking and
choosing which Scriptures you will believe. You either believe
each and every verse of the NT equally, or you believe in none
of the verses of the whole NT! We must read Scripture in
context, and listen to what the Church says! The church has
always baptized in the name of Jesus, and Jesus is the name
of the Son. The first commandment to baptize wasn't given in
Acts 4. It was given in Matthew 28. To baptize in the name
of Jesus is included in the Trinitarian baptism of Matthew 28.
Jesus is the Son. Therefore, to baptize in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is to baptize in
the name of Jesus. Jesus Christ is One of the Trinity, He is the
Son of God. Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS If
Acts 4:12 is in your reading of the Bible, Matthew 28:19 must
also be in your reading, or you are just picking and choosing
what verses you want to believe, and deleting other verses
from your version of the NT! Why is that? Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit, are not "Titles" or "Manifestations"; they are
three Persons in One God. God is not an offfice-occupier
or a "Title" or a "Manifestation", or an anonymous bureaucrat;
He is an eternal holy and righteous, merciful and loving Spirit
Who exists eternally in Three co-equal Persons: Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. Take care.
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Let us use Common Sense shall we?.....no brainer Scott, Jesus did tell his Apostles to Water Baptize everyone in THE NAME of The Father, Son, Holy.Ghost, in Matthew 28 v 19, no argument from me...
So it boils down to this...(1) If you or anyone can show me, where the Apostles Literally obeyed the statement in Matthew 28 v 19 in the Scriptures? And no Scott, Baptizing somebody in The name of Jesus, is not the same thing as Baptizing them in Father, Son, Holy.Ghost. That is a Lie, straight from Satan himself.
Jesus said to Baptize "IN THE NAME OF........" Not the "Titles of......."
Conclusion....The Apostles obeyed exactly what Jesus told them to do. They understood what Jesus was sayimg.....But Trinity Folks want to argue instead, and accept an RCC false Baptism Procedure.
Read, Matthew 13 v 10-13....read carefully what Jesus told his Apostles about Parables...read it carefully.
R
[quote=Ricke;404259]I base my statement, thatThe Apostles of Jesus, never
baptized one single person (According to Scripture) in the
Triune formula of "Father, Son, Holy Ghost".....The
Proof.....Acts 2 v 38/ Acts 8 v 16/Acts 10 v 43-48...Peter
Commanded Them....to be Baptized in The Name of The Lord
(Jesus) then finally read what Apostle Paul, told the Former
Disciples of John The Baptist....Acts 19 verses 1-7....."When
they heard this, they were Baptized in the NAME of THE
LORD"......now please show us Just one example in the NT,
where Peter, Paul, or the others ever Baptized in Father, Son
, Holy Ghost???....Just one verse....[/size]
I keep telling you Amigo.....Father, Son, Holy.Ghost are One
and The Same, not 3 persons. Jesus told them in Matthew 28
v 19 to Baptize in THE NAME of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
You got to know The Name.Iama Father, and Iam a Son....but
that is not MY NAME. Jesus spoke a Preposional Phrase, which
reverts back to the Name of The 3 Manifestations. That is why
His Apostles, filled with The Holy.Ghost, only Baptized Folks
in the NAME, not The Titles...
If you baptize a repentent sinner, in Father, Son, Holy
Ghost,all you've done is Baptize a Dry sinner, who comes up
out of the water, Wet Sinner, simply put. Acts 4 v12, tells us,
No other name is given under heaven (Jesus) whereby we
must be saved.....Father, Son, Holy Ghost, is'nt applying The
NAME that will save you.....check this out.....Colossians 3 v
17....." And WHATSOEVER YOU DO, in Word, or Deed, DO ALL
in THE NAME of THE LORD JESUS, giving Thanks to God, and
The Father by him"
"ALL you do in WORD OR DEED".....100%.....no
excuses....Praise The Lord!
baptized one single person (According to Scripture) in the
Triune formula of "Father, Son, Holy Ghost".....The
Proof.....Acts 2 v 38/ Acts 8 v 16/Acts 10 v 43-48...Peter
Commanded Them....to be Baptized in The Name of The Lord
(Jesus) then finally read what Apostle Paul, told the Former
Disciples of John The Baptist....Acts 19 verses 1-7....."When
they heard this, they were Baptized in the NAME of THE
LORD"......now please show us Just one example in the NT,
where Peter, Paul, or the others ever Baptized in Father, Son
, Holy Ghost???....Just one verse....[/size]
I keep telling you Amigo.....Father, Son, Holy.Ghost are One
and The Same, not 3 persons. Jesus told them in Matthew 28
v 19 to Baptize in THE NAME of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
You got to know The Name.Iama Father, and Iam a Son....but
that is not MY NAME. Jesus spoke a Preposional Phrase, which
reverts back to the Name of The 3 Manifestations. That is why
His Apostles, filled with The Holy.Ghost, only Baptized Folks
in the NAME, not The Titles...
If you baptize a repentent sinner, in Father, Son, Holy
Ghost,all you've done is Baptize a Dry sinner, who comes up
out of the water, Wet Sinner, simply put. Acts 4 v12, tells us,
No other name is given under heaven (Jesus) whereby we
must be saved.....Father, Son, Holy Ghost, is'nt applying The
NAME that will save you.....check this out.....Colossians 3 v
17....." And WHATSOEVER YOU DO, in Word, or Deed, DO ALL
in THE NAME of THE LORD JESUS, giving Thanks to God, and
The Father by him"
"ALL you do in WORD OR DEED".....100%.....no
excuses....Praise The Lord!
Dear Ricke,
Then, of course, you are indeed calling the Lord Jesus Christ
Himself a liar, because He commanded His apostles to be
baptizing them "in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). You simply cannot
place Acts 4:12 against Matthew 28:19. They are both in
Scripture, and St. Matthew isn't preaching another Gospel
from St. Luke in Acts. Baptism in the name of Jesus is
baptism in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the Son, so to baptize in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is to
baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. The early Christians
didn't have this mental problem you have, in picking and
choosing which Scriptures you will believe. You either believe
each and every verse of the NT equally, or you believe in none
of the verses of the whole NT! We must read Scripture in
context, and listen to what the Church says! The church has
always baptized in the name of Jesus, and Jesus is the name
of the Son. The first commandment to baptize wasn't given in
Acts 4. It was given in Matthew 28. To baptize in the name
of Jesus is included in the Trinitarian baptism of Matthew 28.
Jesus is the Son. Therefore, to baptize in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is to baptize in
the name of Jesus. Jesus Christ is One of the Trinity, He is the
Son of God. Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS If
Acts 4:12 is in your reading of the Bible, Matthew 28:19 must
also be in your reading, or you are just picking and choosing
what verses you want to believe, and deleting other verses
from your version of the NT! Why is that? Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit, are not "Titles" or "Manifestations"; they are
three Persons in One God. God is not an offfice-occupier
or a "Title" or a "Manifestation", or an anonymous bureaucrat;
He is an eternal holy and righteous, merciful and loving Spirit
Who exists eternally in Three co-equal Persons: Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. Take care.
[/quote]
you just need The Holy Ghost, then you will understsnd the Gospel Truth. And please
refrain from twisting what I stated.....Read it...Thank You...[/quote]
Dear Sir, Ricke, Perhaps you misunderstand 1 Timothy 3:15.
There is such a thing as the Church of the living God, the pillar
and ground of the truth. Note: not the NT alone, but the NT
IN THE CHURCH that wrote the NT. Which Church wrote the
NT? The Greek-speaking Church.
Jews, largely Jews, Peter, John, Andrew, Paul, James,
Jude, Matthew, Thomas: Jews, speaking and writing Greek.
And a few Gentiles, Mark, Luke. Later, the same church that
wrote the NT said "one holy catholic and apostolic churc" in
381 AD.
The same church that later wrote this in 381 AD later became
known as the Orthodox Church. And the Orthodox Church,
from 325 AD and 381 AD always used the terms persons and
not "titles" or "manifestations" or "modes". To deny these
teachings is to deny Christ's promise in Matthew 16:18 that
His Church would always exist. As for "the Holy Ghost", the
word "Ghost" is a MISTRANSLATION of the Greek hagia
pneuma, which should be "HOLY SPIRIT". God is not a
"ghost", the spirit of a dead man. God is a Spirit. So, don't
rely on the KJV as always accurate. I don't get inspiration
from the "Holy Spirit". I receive the Holy Spirit, not from men,
but from God (John 15:26; cf. 14:26, 16:13). Take care. God
bless you. In Erie Scott
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First, I would put no credibility to what some "Church Father" said in 381 AD. The Scriptures were finished, signed, sealed, and delivered by around 100 AD. After that came all sorts of false teachings, like Trinity, triune Baptism, and Worship of Mary, etc to name a few. Now we have all these new Bibles, which change Words, and Meanings, to block out what Originally taught, or water the meaning down.
I don't need to "Google" any Bible Teaching on The Internet...with "Explanations". I have the Holy Ghost, God is my Teacher, Best teacher of All......You just need to seek The Lord on Your Beleifs, if you Humble yourself, God may show you his Truth....God Bless...
Amen and Amen, My Brother.....ever notice the common denominator that seperates most Christians from truly being in The Body of Christ, in the ONlY Church he ever founded...(1) acceptance of a Triune Godhead with Three Persons in The Godhead.....(2) Denial of Jesus Name Baptism, but again accepting a Triune Formula Baptism....aka F-S-HG, never taught or practiced by the Apostles of Jesus. They take Matthew 28 v 19, and litetally do what Jesus said, without ever seeing that Jesus told his Apostles to Baptize in "THE NAME".....not The TITLES...of F-S-HG......The Devil certainly.has done his Homework well, to keep people from learning the Truth, and Being Saved....tsk, Tsk.
Paul referred to the person (prosopon G4383) of Jesus Christ in 2Cor. 2:10. Hebrews 1:3 says the Son is the express*image (charakter G5481) of his substance (hupostasis G5287). Each is used only once; each is singular; and each refer only to Jesus. Jesus is God's prospon and the charakter of God's hupostasis.
It is actually impossible that God is three persons according to thorough exegesis of scripture. And this isn't even a glimpse of the Greek.
R
So true my Brother. The Devil keeps these people in bondage, and no matter how many scriptures you show them, to prove the point, they persist on dissing those scriptures, and Base their whole false doctrine on MAtthew 28 v 19.....never want to beleive or accept the Truth, of other scriptures to show them the meaning of Matthew 28 v 19.
Here is something else, that has not been discussed regarding Water Baptism.....
Acts 2 V 38.....Apostle Peter told all the potencial converts the following: Repent, and Be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME of Jesus Christ, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the gift of The Holy Ghost".
Notice....If you do not Follow the exact the EXACT procedure Nobody can have their Sins Remitted.
Why would anybody want to argue with Peter, and hold on to false Baptism Procedure, and stay in an Unforgiven state?? I was in The RCC for 40 years, before God called me out. I also was Originally.Baptized in The Triune Method, Water sprinkled over my Head, at age 1 month....
Here is something else, that has not been discussed regarding Water Baptism.....
Acts 2 V 38.....Apostle Peter told all the potencial converts the following: Repent, and Be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME of Jesus Christ, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the gift of The Holy Ghost".
Notice....If you do not Follow the exact the EXACT procedure Nobody can have their Sins Remitted.
Why would anybody want to argue with Peter, and hold on to false Baptism Procedure, and stay in an Unforgiven state?? I was in The RCC for 40 years, before God called me out. I also was Originally.Baptized in The Triune Method, Water sprinkled over my Head, at age 1 month....
So true my Brother. The Devil keeps these people in bondage, and no matter how many scriptures you show them, to prove the point, they persist on dissing those scriptures, and Base their whole false doctrine on MAtthew 28 v 19.....never want to beleive or accept the Truth, of other scriptures to show them the meaning of Matthew 28 v 19.
Here is something else, that has not been discussed regarding Water Baptism.....
Acts 2 V 38.....Apostle Peter told all the potencial converts the following: Repent, and Be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME of Jesus Christ, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the gift of The Holy Ghost".
Notice....If you do not Follow the exact the EXACT procedure Nobody can have their Sins Remitted.
Why would anybody want to argue with Peter, and hold on to false Baptism Procedure, and stay in an Unforgiven state?? I was in The RCC for 40 years, before God called me out. I also was Originally.Baptized in The Triune Method, Water sprinkled over my Head, at age 1 month....
Here is something else, that has not been discussed regarding Water Baptism.....
Acts 2 V 38.....Apostle Peter told all the potencial converts the following: Repent, and Be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME of Jesus Christ, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the gift of The Holy Ghost".
Notice....If you do not Follow the exact the EXACT procedure Nobody can have their Sins Remitted.
Why would anybody want to argue with Peter, and hold on to false Baptism Procedure, and stay in an Unforgiven state?? I was in The RCC for 40 years, before God called me out. I also was Originally.Baptized in The Triune Method, Water sprinkled over my Head, at age 1 month....
I am (I hope) the last person not to accept plain scripture, but doesn't it say somewhere the 'washing away' of your sin by Baptism
Baptism is hugely important to the new convert, but I feel that if a person comes before God and beats their fists on their chest(to use Christ's example) and prays
'God be merciful to me a sinner they would because God is a God of love be forgiven there and then if they ask Christ into their life as Lord and saviour
I'm not sure where it says the 'washing away of sin,(was it Paul relaying his own baptism?) but I guess that fits in (for me anyway) with the fact that a contrite heart and one that repents of sin and turns to Christ would not bring a response from God
'Well I will forgive your sin, but not until you have been baptised
But the actual washing away of the past life I could more readily see as this being meant
But as you are quoting plain scripture I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondernig if you think my points are valid
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Like it or not, Christ left
behind His Body, a visible, identifiable catholic and apostolic
church. It's identfiable by miracles, wonders and signs and
true doctrines. /quote]
Scott we absolutely agree on this.
The true message being preached WILL be accompanied by
signs, wonders and miracles, this is scriptural
Except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading
the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done- by the
power of signs and miracles, through the power of the spirit.
Rom 15:18&19
This salvation which was first announced by the Lord was
confirmed to us by those who heard him
God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles,
and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will
Heb 2:3&4
The words I say to you are not just my own, rather it is the
Father living in me who is doing his work
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father
is in me, or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles
themselves
I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me, will do what I
have been doing. He will do even GREATER THINGS THAN
THESE because I am going to the Father
John 14:10-12
So Scott. In your 'infallible church' that knows what is needed
to have everlasting life do you regularly
see greater miracles than those performed by Christ? After all
it is SCRIPTURAL as you have said that signs, wonders and
MIRACLES will follow the TRUE message being preached. And
if you do not regularly see such things why don't you?
I guess gracebeuntoyou will tell me I need to do an 'exegesis'
of such scripture verses to understand in context through the
greek what is meant by them, THE MIND BOGGLES!!
So where is the power Christ promised. I guess you may come
back by once again trying to evade or li
mply try to explain this. I've heard most such answers. If such
power depended on an 'intellectual exegesis of scripture and
understanding the greek and pronouns and much else I read
here I would have thought that greacebeuntoyou would be
internationally known for the signs wonders and miracles
done by the spirit through him and those who hinge so much
on the knowledge he believes is vital to have
[Friend, It is not graceuntoyou that is insisting on Greek
exegesis, as far as I can tell and remember. The one who
makes an intellectual protest, based on Greek exegesis,
of the holy doctrine of the Holy Trinity, is Mr.
pneumapsuchesoma. Go figure. In Erie PA Scott].
But of course the truth is the churches(of all denominations)
RARELY see the power Christ promised, for they have lost
sight of what MATTERS MOST.
And what matters most is not looking to theologians/scholars
and trying to understand even greater philosophical
knowledge via the human rationale that I have often read on
this thread. And through deep study being enabled to to do an
exegesis of scripture that understands the true context of
what is being written. This is just baloney most of the time
In fact I wonder if many who pursue this would truly
understand in their hearts the TRUE Gospel for that is where
the true power lies.
But in truth man rarely nowadays trusts and relies on the
spirit for truth, rather his 'intellectual' wisdom and he looks to
the intellectually wise theologian and scholar and finds no
power there, just human wisdom.
The Spirit is Gods power on earth.
So Scott. Why does your 'infallible church' that according to
you is the true church handed down from the NT not regularly
seeing the SIGNS WONDERS AND MIRACLES CHRISTR
PROMISED.
And before you say it does. If I went into an average RC
church next Sunday could I expect to see such miracles?
But the signs wonders and miracles accompany the TRUE
Gospel message being preached, but that DOES NOT depend
on if you are a Trinitarian, oneness, or neither as I guess me
and a few others may be classed.
[True miracles cannot happen to confirm false doctrines.
A true miracle can only happen in a true Trinitarian Church
without the Filioque. False wonders, lying wonders, counter-
feit miracles, do occur too. These occur in RC (Roman
Catholicism) and sometimes in P (Pentecostalism in
Protestantism). In Erie Scott].
Anyone who believes it does must be proud, blind and
arrogant and won't accept Christ's words when he walked this
earth, because in their hearts they trust in mans wisdom, not
Christ's words
behind His Body, a visible, identifiable catholic and apostolic
church. It's identfiable by miracles, wonders and signs and
true doctrines. /quote]
Scott we absolutely agree on this.
The true message being preached WILL be accompanied by
signs, wonders and miracles, this is scriptural
Except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading
the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done- by the
power of signs and miracles, through the power of the spirit.
Rom 15:18&19
This salvation which was first announced by the Lord was
confirmed to us by those who heard him
God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles,
and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will
Heb 2:3&4
The words I say to you are not just my own, rather it is the
Father living in me who is doing his work
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father
is in me, or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles
themselves
I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me, will do what I
have been doing. He will do even GREATER THINGS THAN
THESE because I am going to the Father
John 14:10-12
So Scott. In your 'infallible church' that knows what is needed
to have everlasting life do you regularly
see greater miracles than those performed by Christ? After all
it is SCRIPTURAL as you have said that signs, wonders and
MIRACLES will follow the TRUE message being preached. And
if you do not regularly see such things why don't you?
I guess gracebeuntoyou will tell me I need to do an 'exegesis'
of such scripture verses to understand in context through the
greek what is meant by them, THE MIND BOGGLES!!
So where is the power Christ promised. I guess you may come
back by once again trying to evade or li
mply try to explain this. I've heard most such answers. If such
power depended on an 'intellectual exegesis of scripture and
understanding the greek and pronouns and much else I read
here I would have thought that greacebeuntoyou would be
internationally known for the signs wonders and miracles
done by the spirit through him and those who hinge so much
on the knowledge he believes is vital to have
[Friend, It is not graceuntoyou that is insisting on Greek
exegesis, as far as I can tell and remember. The one who
makes an intellectual protest, based on Greek exegesis,
of the holy doctrine of the Holy Trinity, is Mr.
pneumapsuchesoma. Go figure. In Erie PA Scott].
But of course the truth is the churches(of all denominations)
RARELY see the power Christ promised, for they have lost
sight of what MATTERS MOST.
And what matters most is not looking to theologians/scholars
and trying to understand even greater philosophical
knowledge via the human rationale that I have often read on
this thread. And through deep study being enabled to to do an
exegesis of scripture that understands the true context of
what is being written. This is just baloney most of the time
In fact I wonder if many who pursue this would truly
understand in their hearts the TRUE Gospel for that is where
the true power lies.
But in truth man rarely nowadays trusts and relies on the
spirit for truth, rather his 'intellectual' wisdom and he looks to
the intellectually wise theologian and scholar and finds no
power there, just human wisdom.
The Spirit is Gods power on earth.
So Scott. Why does your 'infallible church' that according to
you is the true church handed down from the NT not regularly
seeing the SIGNS WONDERS AND MIRACLES CHRISTR
PROMISED.
And before you say it does. If I went into an average RC
church next Sunday could I expect to see such miracles?
But the signs wonders and miracles accompany the TRUE
Gospel message being preached, but that DOES NOT depend
on if you are a Trinitarian, oneness, or neither as I guess me
and a few others may be classed.
[True miracles cannot happen to confirm false doctrines.
A true miracle can only happen in a true Trinitarian Church
without the Filioque. False wonders, lying wonders, counter-
feit miracles, do occur too. These occur in RC (Roman
Catholicism) and sometimes in P (Pentecostalism in
Protestantism). In Erie Scott].
Anyone who believes it does must be proud, blind and
arrogant and won't accept Christ's words when he walked this
earth, because in their hearts they trust in mans wisdom, not
Christ's words
Friend, What is the holiest place on earth? The place where
our LORD GOD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, rose from the
dead. The holy sepulchre. In the Church of the Holy
Sepulchre, in Jerusalem. What miracle happens each Pascha
in Jerusalem? The miracle of the holy fire in Jerusalem.
Candles light supernaturally, without human hands.
This happens in the Greek Orthodox Church of the Holy
Sepulchre in Jerusalem. See: Auxentios, Bishop of Photiki.
(1993). The Paschal Fire in Jerusalem: A Study of the Rite of
the Holy Fire in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Berkeley,
CA: Saint John Chrysostom Press. ISBN: 0963469207
LOC catalog number BX 440 . A985 1993
obtain from Amazon.com on GOOGLE
God bless all of you; amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Friend, What is the holiest place on earth? The place where
our LORD GOD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, rose from the
dead. The holy sepulchre. In the Church of the Holy
Sepulchre, in Jerusalem. What miracle happens each Pascha
in Jerusalem? The miracle of the holy fire in Jerusalem.
Candles light supernaturally, without human hands.
This happens in the Greek Orthodox Church of the Holy
Sepulchre in Jerusalem. See: Auxentios, Bishop of Photiki.
(1993). The Paschal Fire in Jerusalem: A Study of the Rite of
the Holy Fire in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Berkeley,
CA: Saint John Chrysostom Press. ISBN: 0963469207
LOC catalog number BX 440 . A985 1993
obtain from Amazon.com on GOOGLE
God bless all of you; amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
[/b]
Friend, What is the holiest place on earth? The place where
our LORD GOD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, rose from the
dead. The holy sepulchre. In the Church of the Holy
Sepulchre, in Jerusalem. What miracle happens each Pascha
in Jerusalem? The miracle of the holy fire in Jerusalem.
Candles light supernaturally, without human hands.
This happens in the Greek Orthodox Church of the Holy
Sepulchre in Jerusalem. See: Auxentios, Bishop of Photiki.
(1993). The Paschal Fire in Jerusalem: A Study of the Rite of
the Holy Fire in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Berkeley,
CA: Saint John Chrysostom Press. ISBN: 0963469207
LOC catalog number BX 440 . A985 1993
obtain from Amazon.com on GOOGLE
God bless all of you; amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
I heard someone speak once. He was wrongly sent to prison for manslaughter. Upon his release he searched for God in the local churches. He said and I quote
'They didn't bury the dead in one church I went to, the put them in the pews'
I'm begining to wonder...................................
S
I'm sure you've noticed the utter lack of ANY
thorough Trinitarian apologetic, just rhetoric of inherited personal belief. Trinity is
creedal, not scriptural. It can't be exegeted from the Word. It is erroneous inference
based on presupposition. Trinity is the ultimate hyper-eisegesis.
Paul referred to the person (prosopon G4383) of Jesus Christ in 2Cor. 2:10. Hebrews 1:3
says the Son is the express*image (charakter G5481) of his substance (hupostasis
G5287). Each is used only once; each is singular; and each refer only to Jesus. Jesus is God's prospon and the charakter of God's hupostasis.
thorough Trinitarian apologetic, just rhetoric of inherited personal belief. Trinity is
creedal, not scriptural. It can't be exegeted from the Word. It is erroneous inference
based on presupposition. Trinity is the ultimate hyper-eisegesis.
Paul referred to the person (prosopon G4383) of Jesus Christ in 2Cor. 2:10. Hebrews 1:3
says the Son is the express*image (charakter G5481) of his substance (hupostasis
G5287). Each is used only once; each is singular; and each refer only to Jesus. Jesus is God's prospon and the charakter of God's hupostasis.
It is actually impossible that God is three persons according to thorough exegesis of
scripture. And this isn't even a glimpse of the Greek.
I don't read in the plain English Bible (KJV or any other reliable English version) that a
thorough knowledge of the original Greek is necessary for a true and reliable
understanding of the Holy Scriptures. All that is necessary is the presence of the Holy
Spirit (John 16:13), and a knowledge of the identity of the Church (1 Timothy 3:15), for the
Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Holy Spirit in the Church leads an
individual Christian believer into the truth. Dear PneumaPsucheSoma, Your inference is
based on a selected reading of the NT referring to just a few verses, but failing to explain
why you infer Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not persons, when no verse in the NT says
they are not. It's an inference. But your argument is based largely on a fall back to sola
Scriptura. You're looking at the one that says Christ is a person, and since there is not a
verse that uses the words person regarding Father and Spirit, you assume the silence of
Scripture proves the Father and the Spirit can't be persons. Again, that's a sola Scriptura
fallacy. I admit that the authority by which the Scripture is rightly understood and
believed in is the Church, and this is referred to in the Bible in 1 Timothy 3:15. The Church
is the guardian and pillar and ground of the truth: through the Church (1 Timothy 3:15),
the Holy Spirit leads into all truth (John 16:13). The true faith is in the true body the
Church one Lord one faith one baptism (Ephesians). In Erie Scott PS Your belief is also
creedal, not Scriptural, since your belief is an inference based on what you can find in
Scripture. You find prosopon and person for Christ, and no reference to person for Father
and Holy Spirit, so you presume from the silence of the Scripture that they can't be
persons. You are going only as far as the Scripture allows you to go. Because your
presupposition is that everything true must be found in the Scripture alone. But your
test fails the sola Scriptura test. A lack of reference to person for Father and Spirit
doesn't mean the Father and the Spirit aren't persons. By the same measure, the
Scripture nowhere says, in plain words, the Father is not a person. The Spirit is not a
person. It merely does not use the word persons when it mentions Father and Spirit.
But remember, your non persons traditions is an extra-biblical tradition too. Everybody
who approaches Scripture must inevitably read the NT in terms of some oral tradition
and some additional written traditions by which one exegetes the NT we all have in
common. Assuming the basic text for a majority of English-speaking Christians is now
either the KJV, RSV, ESV, NIV, NRSV, or some other good translation like the NASB. These
translations largely agree on most readings. In Erie Scott
I don't read in the plain English Bible (KJV or any other reliable English version) that a
thorough knowledge of the original Greek is necessary for a true and reliable
understanding of the Holy Scriptures. All that is necessary is the presence of the Holy
Spirit (John 16:13), and a knowledge of the identity of the Church (1 Timothy 3:15), for the
Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Holy Spirit in the Church leads an
individual Christian believer into the truth.
But would the Holy Spirit contradict Christ's words when leading someone into truth?
Dear PneumaPsucheSoma, Your inference is
based on a selected reading of the NT referring to just a few verses, but failing to explain
why you infer Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not persons, when no verse in the NT says
they are not. It's an inference. But your argument is based largely on a fall back to sola
Scriptura. You're looking at the one that says Christ is a person, and since there is not a
verse that uses the words person regarding Father and Spirit, you assume the silence of
Scripture proves the Father and the Spirit can't be persons. Again, that's a sola Scriptura
fallacy. I admit that the authority by which the Scripture is rightly understood and
believed in is the Church, and this is referred to in the Bible in 1 Timothy 3:15. The Church
is the guardian and pillar and ground of the truth: through the Church (1 Timothy 3:15),
the Holy Spirit leads into all truth (John 16:13). The true faith is in the true body the
Church one Lord one faith one baptism (Ephesians). In Erie Scott PS Your belief is also
creedal, not Scriptural, since your belief is an inference based on what you can find in
Scripture. You find prosopon and person for Christ, and no reference to person for Father
and Holy Spirit, so you presume from the silence of the Scripture that they can't be
persons. You are going only as far as the Scripture allows you to go. Because your
presupposition is that everything true must be found in the Scripture alone. But your
test fails the sola Scriptura test. A lack of reference to person for Father and Spirit
doesn't mean the Father and the Spirit aren't persons. By the same measure, the
Scripture nowhere says, in plain words, the Father is not a person. The Spirit is not a
person. It merely does not use the word persons when it mentions Father and Spirit.
But remember, your non persons traditions is an extra-biblical tradition too. Everybody
who approaches Scripture must inevitably read the NT in terms of some oral tradition
and some additional written traditions by which one exegetes the NT we all have in
common. Assuming the basic text for a majority of English-speaking Christians is now
either the KJV, RSV, ESV, NIV, NRSV, or some other good translation like the NASB. These
translations largely agree on most readings. In Erie Scott
thorough knowledge of the original Greek is necessary for a true and reliable
understanding of the Holy Scriptures. All that is necessary is the presence of the Holy
Spirit (John 16:13), and a knowledge of the identity of the Church (1 Timothy 3:15), for the
Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Holy Spirit in the Church leads an
individual Christian believer into the truth.
But would the Holy Spirit contradict Christ's words when leading someone into truth?
Dear PneumaPsucheSoma, Your inference is
based on a selected reading of the NT referring to just a few verses, but failing to explain
why you infer Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not persons, when no verse in the NT says
they are not. It's an inference. But your argument is based largely on a fall back to sola
Scriptura. You're looking at the one that says Christ is a person, and since there is not a
verse that uses the words person regarding Father and Spirit, you assume the silence of
Scripture proves the Father and the Spirit can't be persons. Again, that's a sola Scriptura
fallacy. I admit that the authority by which the Scripture is rightly understood and
believed in is the Church, and this is referred to in the Bible in 1 Timothy 3:15. The Church
is the guardian and pillar and ground of the truth: through the Church (1 Timothy 3:15),
the Holy Spirit leads into all truth (John 16:13). The true faith is in the true body the
Church one Lord one faith one baptism (Ephesians). In Erie Scott PS Your belief is also
creedal, not Scriptural, since your belief is an inference based on what you can find in
Scripture. You find prosopon and person for Christ, and no reference to person for Father
and Holy Spirit, so you presume from the silence of the Scripture that they can't be
persons. You are going only as far as the Scripture allows you to go. Because your
presupposition is that everything true must be found in the Scripture alone. But your
test fails the sola Scriptura test. A lack of reference to person for Father and Spirit
doesn't mean the Father and the Spirit aren't persons. By the same measure, the
Scripture nowhere says, in plain words, the Father is not a person. The Spirit is not a
person. It merely does not use the word persons when it mentions Father and Spirit.
But remember, your non persons traditions is an extra-biblical tradition too. Everybody
who approaches Scripture must inevitably read the NT in terms of some oral tradition
and some additional written traditions by which one exegetes the NT we all have in
common. Assuming the basic text for a majority of English-speaking Christians is now
either the KJV, RSV, ESV, NIV, NRSV, or some other good translation like the NASB. These
translations largely agree on most readings. In Erie Scott
S
I am Oneness Pentecostal if "Labels" is
what you are seeking. I am in the Same Church Jesus and
Original Apostles Founded. How is that so, you may ask?
Because Starting with The Book Of Acts, then through all the
Epistles, we practice, we obey, and we Beleive everything
that was taught in those scriptures.99% of other "Christian"
Faiths, and "Christian" Religions (RCC) do not adhere to the
pure doctrine, fact.
what you are seeking. I am in the Same Church Jesus and
Original Apostles Founded. How is that so, you may ask?
Because Starting with The Book Of Acts, then through all the
Epistles, we practice, we obey, and we Beleive everything
that was taught in those scriptures.99% of other "Christian"
Faiths, and "Christian" Religions (RCC) do not adhere to the
pure doctrine, fact.
That is where you err, Ricke. Sorry to say it, if that let's
down your quest for truth in Oneness Pentecostal doctrine.
You should know by now the NT (New Testament) begins with
the 4 Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Man shall not
live by bread alone, but by every word which proceedeth from
the mouth of God. If you start with Acts, you ignore the
words of God the Son, Jesus Christ, Himself, and Jesus is
LORD. You need to read the words of Christ in the 4 Gospels
before you can move on to Acts. Matthew 28:19 mentions
the three persons of the Godhead: Father, Son and Holy
Spirit. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS And Matthew 28:19
is Christ Himself speaking about the Holy Trinity. The Church
begins in Matthew, Ricke, not in the Book of Acts. Key
verses in Matthew: Matthew 16:18, Matthew 28:19.