The Faith We Hold.
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Um peter was already saved. Why would Jesus say believ you in me? You don't make sense.
Because Peter sinned three times, He denied his savior. Peter was broken. He knew what he had done, and his strength was Gone.
I am sure Peter believed as many believed. What is jesus going to do. I am sure he waited for this long list of "works" Jesus was going to give Peter to make up for his sin. What did Jesus do? He did not even confront him. He gave him strength by telling him to do what jesus already told him before he died he would be sent to do.
What a great love our father has! Jesus did not condemn Peter. Did not say you are no good to me. Or even confront him on what he dide. He asked him, Do you love me (even though you did what you did)? Then I forgive you. go do what what I have spent three years teaching you to do.
No where do you get this crap scott? pray you came up with this yourself and it was not from your church, or your church is more depraved than I thought. He did not require him to do anything. It was ALREADY Peters job to do it. Jesus was encouraging peter. I know you screwed up (whe he said it three times) But I forgive you anyway, Go do what I wanted you to do to begin with. Don't worry about your sin, I forgive you.
Yep your right. If one has zero works, he has zero faith, and since he has no faith, he is not saved.
But this is not what your preaching Scott. Your saying people can have some works (proving their faith was not dead). and till not make it to heaven. This is not what scripture teaches.
Yet you teach you are saved by your works. You just contradicted yourself.
You just contradicted Saint James (James 2:24). Again!
You don't know what Scripture teaches because you're following 494 years of Protestant private traditions of men. There is no contradiction in anything I said. You contradict not only Scripture, but how the Church Fathers interpret Scripture. You also lose your temper by swearing, proving the falsehood of your statements.
You're listening too much to Martin Luther and John Calvin, instead of listening to the Bible.
You don't know what Scripture teaches because you're following 494 years of Protestant private traditions of men. There is no contradiction in anything I said. You contradict not only Scripture, but how the Church Fathers interpret Scripture. You also lose your temper by swearing, proving the falsehood of your statements.
You're listening too much to Martin Luther and John Calvin, instead of listening to the Bible.
You didn't choose to be born did you? Would you say that it was not in your control to be born to your parents? You didn't choose them right? Could you even say that it was pre-determined that you would be born to your particular parents? The Lord wanted you to be born and He wanted you to be born of certain parents.
Same thing with being born again. You don't choose. The Lord decides.
It doesn't get any more clear than John 6:44, really. You can plug your ears and cover your eyes and stamp your feet but you can't stop God's Love for You. John 6:45 is pretty much re-iterating the same thing.
Same thing with being born again. You don't choose. The Lord decides.
It doesn't get any more clear than John 6:44, really. You can plug your ears and cover your eyes and stamp your feet but you can't stop God's Love for You. John 6:45 is pretty much re-iterating the same thing.
What does Calvinism do with these verses?
John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
There are many more. Calvinists seem to cling to John 6:44 and Romans 9, and either totally ignore or say the above verses only apply to the people God predestined to be saved. They do not say that. God loves all people, and wants everyone to choose to come to Him and believe. God gave everyone free will, and He will not override it.
John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
There are many more. Calvinists seem to cling to John 6:44 and Romans 9, and either totally ignore or say the above verses only apply to the people God predestined to be saved. They do not say that. God loves all people, and wants everyone to choose to come to Him and believe. God gave everyone free will, and He will not override it.
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I am sure glad you are on this forum, Shroom, no one else sticks as close with me as you do. I think that I would feel sad without you. As I have said before, "no one can understand the whole truth unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to them" I was wandering in the wilderness of unbelief for forty years, just as you are now, until the truth was revealed to me.