The False Doctrine of OSAS

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eternally-gratefull

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ok..i could not stand to npt reply..so I will respond in.his stead until he reads it, sonce you equate,rest to not worrying or what you consider worrying/stressing..pleaae tell us what your method is of what you consider to be rest.
The first part of rest is to know and be assured you will get to heaven based on the work of God, and not worrying about whether you will fail or not. God promised Abraham his people would be under seige for 400 years, but then be rescued and given the land he promised. Those who had faith in the promise of God entered his rest, because they KNEW GOD WOULD KEEP HIS PROMISE. thus never complained. Those who did not believe God would keep his promise. As God said, Would not enter his rest. why? because they sinned? No, because they did not believe.

Then comes the second aspect of rest. Learning to trust God in our every day lives. The people who had faith in Isreal learned to trust God, he would take care of their needs, He would defend their enemies. He would do all he promised to do. They were not perfect. but they understood who God was.

You want to reject the first part of rest. so how can you say you can even possibly enter his rest? Learn what it is before you start condemning people!


as far as assurance, you can be assured when you walj..bear fruit,

How can I be assured? Because I have the spirit of God in me, And God promised with the spirit, I will bear fruit. Because it is God working in me, Not me working. A fact you can;t comprehend


and work out your salvation, phillipians,2...

Work out my salvation? You mean the salvation I have? You grossly misinterpret what Paul said here. Everyone who is saved has salvation, and been given the means to be lights in the world. Our job is to be these lights which will draw people to God as God uses us, Paul said we should work out the RESULT of our salvation, and not have our light put out by doing something which would allow people to use those things against us,m and take away from the word of God.

If you do not have salvation, you HAVE NOTHING TO WORK OUT!


how can you not see this is not too difficult to grasp eg. how is looking at your heart and examining your heart taking you away from God?

Because what you teach is about you. And not about God. You want to put yourself under law. And place your eternal life based on what YOU DO, or what you HOPE You do not do. There are to many I's in your gospel. and there is no I in salvation and no I in grace. When you figure this out, you will finally see God and the true love he has for his children.


and how else do you ever expect to grow if yoy never be honest about where you are at, and ask God to reveal what he must to you about you?

Again your assumptions are amazing. I do this every day.

1. I see myself as guilty, totally unable to do anything without God
2. I see myself as condemned, A sinner, who is not worthy of the love of my father
3. I see myself as running the race. Knowing I no matter how hard I try, I still need to try harder, and trust God more and more. We are in a spiritual war. Being retired military, I know how the things of war goes. it is when we sit still and think we made it, when the enemy comes in and destroys us. If you think you ever made it, or could ever make it on your own, you are in serious danger.

im flabberghasted how,easily you misread what has been said
I am flabberghasted at how blind you are to see what true rest is, What true salvation is. And how complete in Christ you could be if you would just get off your highhorse and get off self and place it all on Christ,

He promised us back in genesis he would take whoever believes in him to the promised land. If yuo want rest, You have to KNOW GOD WILL DO WHAT HE STARTED TO DO. You can;t do that, because you have to assume you will not fall off the path, because it is ALL ABOUT YOU, and NOT GOD
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Cheap shot! who here do you know? And who have you asked about their feelings about sin?


30 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." 33 As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

Im sure if you asked any here your talking about they would tell you they hate sin with a passion
and pray daily for the grace to lead Holy lives. Go ahead and ask.

There problem is they are listening to men who teach them a false view of what OSAS is, thus assume they know everythign about us. and refuse to even acknowledge we do not teach what they say
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Does a person have to fear hell to trust God, and hate sin.
And is trusting God a sin?
I am sure hell is on the back of everyones mind when they first come to God. Part of the gospel is we are headed there.

But after one is saved, They KNOW they have eternal life and will get to heaven no matter what, and can concentrate on living their life for god. and not fear failure, knowing God will work in them in spite of themselves. This is rest. We may not know how God is going to do something, But we can learn as we grow in Christ he will. This is what it means to enter his rest.
 
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feedm3

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Kind of like your argument that all believe we must obey are earning, no matter if we say I am not earning? Would you not say you are doing the same thing you are accusing the other side of doing?
 
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Abiding

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Not really not if the order is wrong
 
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Abiding

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many doctrines have two sides that seem to contridict each other and we live in the tension
 
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Abiding

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like freewill/election
grace/works
 
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Abiding

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The Holyspirit spent alot of time explaining true salvation
 
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Abiding

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If you get that wrong the whole thing is wrong
 
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Abiding

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After a person is saved the works will come....we do what our nature is
 
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Abiding

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When we are a new creation...then it is God who works in us bothe the "will"
and the "do" of His good pleasure
 
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Abiding

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Now someone coming along get bogged being told to do what he cant
that will mess him up.

To understand the true gospel...that kind of understanding
and the new heart we get being saved , we hunger and thirst after righteousness
 
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Abiding

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A constant pounding about sin without being taught
about grace will only drive someone into despair
 
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Abiding

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A true believer doesnt need pounded
His heart is already desiring to please the Lord
 
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Abiding

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He may need discipling and knowledge. and we are told to provoke each other to good works
 
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Abiding

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But id say what ive heard lately wouldnt help anyone
 
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feedm3

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And a constant preaching of grace without reproof can cause someone to believe they cannot sin when they may be in sin.

There must be a balance in teaching the whole counsel of God.
 
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Abiding

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Romans 12 after Paul makes all the doctrine clear
 
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feedm3

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But id say what ive heard lately wouldnt help anyone
The debating back and fourth, i do not believe would really help anyone either. At least the ones that get heated.