The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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Diakonos

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That would be one reason. Also, that the believers that are eagerly waiting are not overtaken as a thief as many think. Another reason is that God is not judging people or letting them be collateral when He catches away His Body.

I think that it is God`s motive that is on trial there, as in all of deception.
Concerning whether the world will be aware of the Church's departure, the Biblical patterns of rapture imply the affirmative.
With the exception of Enoch's rapture (whose audience, or lack thereof, is not specified), virtually every rapture in the Bible is a witnessed and realized event:

the rapture of Elijah
“As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven. Elisha saw it and cried out, “My father, my father, the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw Elijah no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces.” (2 Kings 2:11–12)

the rapture of Jesus (commonly referred to as His ascension)
“So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.” (
"He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”” (Mark 16:19, Acts 1:9–11)

the rapture of Phillip
“When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.” (Acts 8:39–40)

the rapture of the two witnesses
“Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them.” (Revelation 11:9–12)
 
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So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ.

And are you saying that Paul lied when He said that he was given this revelation of the Body of Christ which had NOT been revealed before?

And yes all books build on each other as to the revelation of Christ`s character and His purposes.
So, in your opinion , the bible is not the word of God, but confused apostles just did the best they could?
 
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So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ.

And are you saying that Paul lied when He said that he was given this revelation of the Body of Christ which had NOT been revealed before?

And yes all books build on each other as to the revelation of Christ`s character and His purposes.
"""So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ."""


Acts 2
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

That is peter preaching under the Holy Spirit and 3000 saved.

AHEM....WAY before the conversion of paul.
 

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So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ.
The Body, the Bride, and the Building of Christ is the Church. These are both metaphors and spiritual realities. Paul spoke about the Body of Christ, Paul and John spoke about the Bride of Christ, and Peter spoke about the Building of Christ. It is evident that you have either ignored what is written, or are unaware of these vital truths. So you should search them out for yourself. No need for anyone to do your homework.
 

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God is the Author and His Holy Spirit directed the hearts & Minds of the Apostles what to write.

The Book is a Love Letter from Christ to His Bride which HE calls the 'Elect'.

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
God`s word is about the Lord Jesus Christ, His character and His purposes.

Israel is also God`s elect. `For Jacob my servant`s sake, and Israel my ELECT.` (Isa. 45: 4)

And the Apostle Peter along with the other 11 have been promised rulership in the New Jerusalem in the Universal heavens. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)
 

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"""So please show where Peter or any of the other 12 preached about the Body of Christ."""


Acts 2
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

That is peter preaching under the Holy Spirit and 3000 saved.

AHEM....WAY before the conversion of paul.
Yes Peter preached the Jesus is Lord and Christ and many were saved as God added to the called out ones. However Peter did not teach them of the Body of Christ.
 
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God`s word is about the Lord Jesus Christ, His character and His purposes.

Israel is also God`s elect. `For Jacob my servant`s sake, and Israel my ELECT.` (Isa. 45: 4)

And the Apostle Peter along with the other 11 have been promised rulership in the New Jerusalem in the Universal heavens. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)
The Israel of God is God's Elect = just as the Apostle Peter said:
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

There is only one Elect of God and They are the Redeemed, by the Blood of Christ = His Body, the Israel of God.

But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham;
but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;
but

the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Romans ch9
 

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So, in your opinion , the bible is not the word of God, but confused apostles just did the best they could?
mmmm Now did the OT Prophets know all the NT revelation?

`Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.` (1 Peter 1: 11)

`Paul...how that by revelation he made known to me the mystery; (as I have briefly written already, by which when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which is OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His Holy Apostles and prophets.` (Eph. 3: 3 - 5)
 

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The Body, the Bride, and the Building of Christ is the Church. These are both metaphors and spiritual realities. Paul spoke about the Body of Christ, Paul and John spoke about the Bride of Christ, and Peter spoke about the Building of Christ. It is evident that you have either ignored what is written, or are unaware of these vital truths. So you should search them out for yourself. No need for anyone to do your homework.
There is NO scripture/s saying that the Body is the Bride. Can you show any?
 

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The Israel of God is God's Elect = just as the Apostle Peter said:
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

There is only one Elect of God and They are the Redeemed, by the Blood of Christ = His Body, the Israel of God.

But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham;
but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.”
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;
but

the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Romans ch9
That is correct that not all of Israel are Israel. Not of the flesh but of God`s promise. But that is NOT the Body of Christ.
 
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That is correct that not all of Israel are Israel. Not of the flesh but of God`s promise. But that is NOT the Body of Christ.
God says She IS and to speak against His Body, the Israel of God, comes from the wicked one.

You need to refrain from adding to or taking away from God's words as this opens the door for the spirit of error.

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

The Israel of God are the Children of Promise which HE purchased with His Blood.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 
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mmmm Now did the OT Prophets know all the NT revelation?

`Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.` (1 Peter 1: 11)

`Paul...how that by revelation he made known to me the mystery; (as I have briefly written already, by which when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), which is OTHER AGES WAS NOT MADE KNOWN to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His Holy Apostles and prophets.` (Eph. 3: 3 - 5)
Read acts 10
Peter had the revelation and commission to the gentiles before paul..

None of the apostles were deficient as you are trying to portray.
 
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There is NO scripture/s saying that the Body is the Bride. Can you show any?
Mat25 the 10 virgins

Rev 19 the bride( church) has become the wife.

The last supper dialogue matches perfectly the dialogue if the jewish engagement/ betrothal.

2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

The entire book of ruth climaxes in the gentile bride ( ruth) finding Boaz ( jesus) and entering marriage via redemption.

No bride?????
You got to be kidding.
 
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In fact, the first miracle was at a wedding.
IOW, IN the kingdom, last and first are interchangeable.

First is last and last is first.
Jesus first miracle = wedding= bride.

The last is exactly the same
 

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There is NO scripture/s saying that the Body is the Bride. Can you show any?
If you are looking for textbook answers you will not find them. If you are looking for spiritually discerned truth you will find it. After all Paul calls it " a great mystery".

THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST
Now ye are the Body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the Church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (1 Cor 12:27,28) So we, being many, are one Body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (Rom 12:5) The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the Body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one Body: for we are all partakers of that one Bread. (1 Cor 10:16,17) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one Body, being many, are one Body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the Body is not one member, but many. (1 Cor 12:12-14) But now hath God set the members every one of them in the Body, as it hath pleased him. But now are they many members, yet but one Body. (1 Cor 12:18,

THE CHURCH IS THE BRIDE OF CHRIST (which becomes the Lamb's Wife)
He that hath the Bride is the Bridegroom: but the friend of the Bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. (John 3:29) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his Wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Rev 19:7,8) And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the Bride, the Lamb's Wife. (Rev 21;9) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the Church: and he is the Saviour of the Body... Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave himself for it... That he might present it to himself a glorious Church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. For we are members of his Body, of his flesh, and of his bones... This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the Church. (Eph 5:23,25,27,30,32) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. (2 Cor 11:2)
 
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Jesus mission in covenant begins and ends at a wedding supper.

Read ruth
 

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God says She IS and to speak against His Body, the Israel of God, comes from the wicked one.

You need to refrain from adding to or taking away from God's words as this opens the door for the spirit of error.

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

The Israel of God are the Children of Promise which HE purchased with His Blood.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Nothing there that says the Body, the New Man, (Eph. 2: 15) becomes a `woman.`

As you so rightly quoted about `no male or female,` in the Body of Christ. The New Man is a combination of both, no human sexual apparatus as there is NO marrying in heaven. (Luke 20: 35)
 

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Read acts 10
Peter had the revelation and commission to the gentiles before paul..

None of the apostles were deficient as you are trying to portray.
Yes Peter did, however remember that he tried to get the Gentiles to act like Jew. That is how they were formerly incorporated into Israel. (Gal. 2: 11 - 15) Then Paul had to correct Peter.

Of course they are `deficient` just not having the full understanding that was given to the apostle Paul. And `why?` because they are of a different purpose in Christ - ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel in the city, the New Jerusalem. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)
 

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Mat25 the 10 virgins

Rev 19 the bride( church) has become the wife.

The last supper dialogue matches perfectly the dialogue if the jewish engagement/ betrothal.

2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

The entire book of ruth climaxes in the gentile bride ( ruth) finding Boaz ( jesus) and entering marriage via redemption.

No bride?????
You got to be kidding.
No not kidding, just asking you to look carefully at this topic.

The 10 virgins are to do with Israel. The Body of Christ revelation was not known then. (Eph. 3: 1 - 5)

Rev. 19 does NOT say the church. It says the `wife,` and who is that? Israel. (Isa. 54: 5 `For your Maker is your husband.` )

Hosea 2: 19 - 20 speaks of the Lord`s betroth to Israel `for ever.`

2 Cor. 11: 2 is Paul speaking to HIS disciples and wanting them to be pure. He will present them to the Lord. Paul however DOESNOT present US to the Lord, for it is the Lord himself who will present us to Himself. (Jude 24)

The Book of Ruth is about Jesus being the Kinsman. And Ruth joined with Israel and from that lineage came the Lord. It is not about marrying a Gentile, for Ruth became one with the people of Israel. (Ruth 1: 16)
 
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