The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Absolutely]

Mine the New King James. Does that matter?

Bingo
Does it matter what you can come up with what paul said and others did not?

What in the world are you driving at?

Lets assume you and other like minded humans are 100% correct.

What point did you guys make??
What game changer now evolved???

 

[Absolutely]

Those are not the rapture. Rev. 1: 7 the Lord coming and every eye will see Him, is referring to when He comes with His angel army to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious. `..they who pierced Him, (Israel)...& all the tribes of the earth will mourn.` (nations). The Body of Christ is a different group, and will be in the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

`One taken and one left,` refers to the Lord judging those who looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

No
That mat 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

See that?
Before the flood
One Taken/left
Watch and be ready

Vivid vivid pretrib rapture depiction

 

[Absolutely]

Yes Peter preached the Jesus is Lord and Christ and many were saved as God added to the called out ones. However Peter did not teach them of the Body of Christ.

100% conjecture

 

[Absolutely]

Yes for Israel.

Boaz did NOT marry naomi.

You missed the entire message of ruth

 

[Absolutely]

Yes Peter did, however remember that he tried to get the Gentiles to act like Jew. That is how they were formerly incorporated into Israel. (Gal. 2: 11 - 15) Then Paul had to correct Peter.

Of course they are `deficient` just not having the full understanding that was given to the apostle Paul. And `why?` because they are of a different purpose in Christ - ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel in the city, the New Jerusalem. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)

This is pure baloney.

Pure conjecture.

I and others already showed you the body is the bride.

While peter got the revelation of the gospel to the gentiles paul was barely a convert.

Under your mistake = disqualified doctrine, what do you do with King Davids mistake?

Assuming correctly the entire bible is Gods word.

 

[Absolutely]

No not kidding, just asking you to look carefully at this topic.

The 10 virgins are to do with Israel. The Body of Christ revelation was not known then. (Eph. 3: 1 - 5)

Rev. 19 does NOT say the church. It says the `wife,` and who is that? Israel. (Isa. 54: 5 `For your Maker is your husband.` )

Hosea 2: 19 - 20 speaks of the Lord`s betroth to Israel `for ever.`

2 Cor. 11: 2 is Paul speaking to HIS disciples and wanting them to be pure. He will present them to the Lord. Paul however DOESNOT present US to the Lord, for it is the Lord himself who will present us to Himself. (Jude 24)

The Book of Ruth is about Jesus being the Kinsman. And Ruth joined with Israel and from that lineage came the Lord. It is not about marrying a Gentile, for Ruth became one with the people of Israel. (Ruth 1: 16)

Nope
You reframed that

Boaz was SECOND IN LINE.
There was another that had first choice.
He REFUSED BECAUSE OF RUTH BEING GENTILE.

You reframed the story to fit your doctrine.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The title `Lamb` is only used in reference to Israel and their sacrifice. We use the words `as a lamb` but never the `Lamb.`

Since you are now manufacturing your own theology, it is a total waste of time presenting any Scripture to you. What you have stated above is total nonsense.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes Peter did, however remember that he tried to get the Gentiles to act like Jew. That is how they were formerly incorporated into Israel. (Gal. 2: 11 - 15) Then Paul had to correct Peter.

Of course they are `deficient` just not having the full understanding that was given to the apostle Paul. And `why?` because they are of a different purpose in Christ - ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel in the city, the New Jerusalem. (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)

I only know of one doctrine with that need for "all but paul were confused".
Hyper pauline.

 

[Absolutely]

No not kidding, just asking you to look carefully at this topic.

The 10 virgins are to do with Israel. The Body of Christ revelation was not known then. (Eph. 3: 1 - 5)

Rev. 19 does NOT say the church. It says the `wife,` and who is that? Israel. (Isa. 54: 5 `For your Maker is your husband.` )

Hosea 2: 19 - 20 speaks of the Lord`s betroth to Israel `for ever.`

2 Cor. 11: 2 is Paul speaking to HIS disciples and wanting them to be pure. He will present them to the Lord. Paul however DOESNOT present US to the Lord, for it is the Lord himself who will present us to Himself. (Jude 24)

The Book of Ruth is about Jesus being the Kinsman. And Ruth joined with Israel and from that lineage came the Lord. It is not about marrying a Gentile, for Ruth became one with the people of Israel. (Ruth 1: 16)

"""The 10 virgins are to do with Israel. The Body of Christ revelation was not known then. (Eph. 3: 1 - 5)"""

Nope
Jews are not watching and waiting for Jesus.
Jesus comes for his bride.
Rev 14 is the jews gathered
144k firstfruits gathered FIRST.
10 virgin parable COMPLETLY DIFFERENT DYNAMIC.
Not even close.

You begin with a few verses.
I begin with the bible.

You have hamstrung your understanding by demoting sections of the word, while showcasing other sections.

That is why you have ended up reframing almost every dynamic you touch on.

 

[peldom10]

Mine the New King James. Does that matter?

If you choose...be aware the new KJV is a....new age religion bible,like the niv, asv, etc, all of which have been published since the 1960's., along with the several new age religion interpretations of the original KJV 1611 edition Bible.

 

[Marilyn]

Yes they did, I provided the very verses in the text.


31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh(body) see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.

the NLT says :

31 David was looking into the future and speaking of the Messiah’s resurrection. He was saying that God would not leave him among the dead or allow his body to rot in the grave.

That is the Lord`s physical body BUT NOT the Body of Christ, the New Man made up of all the believers. (Eph. 2: 15)

 

[Marilyn]

and in chapter 4:2 of Acts

2 being greatly disturbed that they taught the people and preached in Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

Yes they preached of Jesus but NOT of Him being the Head of the Body, the New Man.

 

[Marilyn]

Being married to Christ is not about a flesh union and you are correct that there is no human sexual reproduction in heaven.

Being married to Christ is 'like' the union between a man and a woman but in SPIRIT and ETERNAL UNION.

It is written: "What God has joined together let no man separate."

And the scriptures to go with that thought, please?

 

[Marilyn]

Facts:

-““The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son.” (Matthew 22:2)

-“Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be
married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.” (Romans 7:4)

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-God (the Father) was already married to Israel before the Church was born (Isa 54:5)
-John the Baptist (the last prophet of Israel-Matt 11:13) admitted that he was not of the bride of Christ (the Son) (John 1:29)
-Paul betrothed and presented the Church as a pure virgin to Christ (2 Cor 11:2)
-Paul was speaking in reference to Christ and the Church in his marriage discourse (Eph 5:32)
-(in that marriage discourse) Christ sanctifies His Church so that He may present her to Himself, spotless and unwrinkled (Eph 5:26)
-At Christ's wedding, the bride will clothe herself with the garments that were given to her (Rev 19:7-8)

“Christ nourishes and cherishes the church because we are members of His body. 'For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'. This mystery is great; and I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.” (Ephesians 5:29–32)​

Conclusions:

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-Israel is the wife of God (the Father)
-The Church is (soon to be) the wife of Christ (the Son)
-Israel is
(1) invited to the wedding (Matt 22:3; Rev 19:9)
(2) the friends and attendants of the Bridegroom (John 1:29; Matt 9:15)

Thank you for your detailed reply.

1. I agree that God (father, Son & Holy Spirit) described their relationship with Israel as a `husband,` master, and Israel as a wife. 9Isa. 54)
2. Not seeing John saying that he was not the bride. (John 1: 29, your reference)
3. Yes Paul was speaking in reference to Christ and His church, His Body, that how He loved His Body, is how a husband should love His own body, his wife.
4.The Gk. word is `it` NOT `her. And referring back to the 4 chapters that Paul described the New Man.
5. The `wife` had to make herself ready through righteous acts, (Rev. 19: 7 & 8) We, the Body of Christ are righteous through Christ, not our righteous acts.

 

[Marilyn]

Ruth was gentile

Who became an Israelite. (Ruth 1: 16)

 

[Marilyn]

Rev 19
The bride becomes the wife.

IN HEAVEN

There are NO wives or wife in heaven. There is NO Queen of heaven and we are NOT Queen Priests, but KING PRIESTS. (Rev. 1: 6)

 

[Marilyn]

Not sure, but i think she is specifically referring to the church or assembly when she says " the body of christ"

Also pretty sure she is pauline only.
I debate those paulines.
I have NEVER met one of them that did not have the need to put down every bible writing that is other than pauls.
They have a great need and quest to diminish all other books of the bible.
Her need to just assume peter never mentioned the church has some dark element behind it.
She actually needs that dynamic in her doctrine for some strange reason.

Actually `she` me is asking straight question for you to back up what you are saying. I have NOT seen a clear doctrine of the Church, the BODY of Christ being a female.

All I have been given is an exhortation for husbands, a desire by Paul for his disciples, and a complete disregard for the many chapters that Paul wrote concerning the revelation he was given by the Head, Christ concerning His Body.

And those accusations are just that.

 

[Marilyn]

since you ASSUME that with no proof, it remains a fact of your doctrine?

And what point does that make?

Does that set Paul aside in your mind as even MORE ICONIC?

I mean there has to be a point to your endless assumptions.

The only sense i can make of it is a pauline hyper showcasing agenda.

" Peter never said "church"."
Ok what did Paul never say???
Jesus never say????


Pssssst...you can NOT "prove" any of it.
It is 100% conjecture

I`m not looking for Peter to say `church, called our ones, Body of Christ,` but for you to show that he had an understanding of it.

Why did Peter ask the Lord about restoring the rulership to Israel? (Acts 1: 6)
Why did Peter get the Gentiles to act like Jews? (Gal. 2: 11 - 14)
Why did Peter say that Paul had some things hard to understand? ( 2 Peter 3: 16)
Why do Peter (& the 11) rule over the 12 tribes of Israel? (Matt. 19: 28, Rev. 21: 14)

 

[Marilyn]

"""The 10 virgins are to do with Israel. The Body of Christ revelation was not known then. (Eph. 3: 1 - 5)"""

Nope
Jews are not watching and waiting for Jesus.
Jesus comes for his bride.
Rev 14 is the jews gathered
144k firstfruits gathered FIRST.
10 virgin parable COMPLETLY DIFFERENT DYNAMIC.
Not even close.

You begin with a few verses.
I begin with the bible.

You have hamstrung your understanding by demoting sections of the word, while showcasing other sections.

That is why you have ended up reframing almost every dynamic you touch on.

Accusations are from people who are not able to defend their position.

You have just written a few phrases with no real explanation or discussion of scripture.
You say the `10 virgin parable completely different dynamic.` Well, so what does that mean?
Rev. 14 you say is the Jews gathered first. Gathered for what?

Short phrases are NOT good explanations.

 

[Marilyn]

If you choose...be aware the new KJV is a....new age religion bible,like the niv, asv, etc, all of which have been published since the 1960's., along with the several new age religion interpretations of the original KJV 1611 edition Bible.

Thank you. I have noticed a few translation errors.