The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Marilyn]

Bingo
Does it matter what you can come up with what paul said and others did not?

What in the world are you driving at?

Lets assume you and other like minded humans are 100% correct.

What point did you guys make??
What game changer now evolved???

Wrong assumption. peldom was asking me what Bible translation I was using. I asked him did it matter and he gave me his reply. it was nothing like what you assumed.

Of course it is important to know what the Head of the Church, the Body of Christ is saying to us. If we just read the gospels then we only have half the revelation. For when Jesus ascended to the Father He was made Head of the Church, which is His body, (Eph. 1: 22 & 23). And that is a whole new office for the Lord who then goes on to build and mature us over the centuries and across the world.

And how wonderful and amazing is that.

 

[Marilyn]

No
That mat 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

See that?
Before the flood
One Taken/left
Watch and be ready

Vivid vivid pretrib rapture depiction

The flood was judgment and IN that judgment people were taken away in the flood and a few were kept by the power of God in the ark. The same IN the trib, (Matt. 24: 21) `one will be taken (in judgment) and the other left.` (Matt. 24: 40). That is the `sheep and goats` sorting out. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)

 

[DavidTree]

And the scriptures to go with that thought, please?

Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”
John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’ He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.
John ch3

Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Cor 11:1-2

For the Lord our Godb the Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give Him the glory.
For the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
8She was given clothing of fine linen,
bright and pure.”
For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.
9Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

 

[Evmur]

Nice of you to reinvent this event how ever scripture points out those who wait in expectation are chosen.
Point being that the rapture is not for the whole church but those who are found in Christ and wait in expectation.
No man knows the hour or day there is no countdown pointing to this event.
The parable of the ten virgins show all were sleeping. Don't know about you but when I am excited about something it's hard for me to sleep.
Jesus says it comes when you least expect it. Not when you most expect it. Therefore stay vigilant.

nonsense, the dead are first to rise


... what did they do to get ready?

 

[awelight]

The False Teaching of what happens at the Rapture.

I believe people have been taught through preaching, books, videos etc a wrong view of what happens at the Rapture.

This false teaching says that when people are caught away to meet the Lord others will see them rise in the air, and great devastation will happen. Planes will fall out of the sky as Christian pilots are taken away, plus cars and buses, trains etc will all crash because their drivers were believers and were caught away.

People are told that unbelievers will be shocked and horrified as they realise they have been `left behind.`

None of this is a true picture, I believe, of what will really happen at the rapture.

The Truth of what will happen at the Rapture.

God`s word says that we will see that Day, (of the Lord) approaching and thus get together more.

`...exhorting, (encouraging and warning) one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.` (Heb. 10: 25)

I believe the Holy Spirit will be stirring our spirits expectantly so that we know the time is very close.

`To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear...` (Heb. 9: 28)

In the world people will think WW 3 is happening. The Russian Federation plus Iran, Ethiopia and Libya, (Ez. 38: 1 - 5) will be brought down by God to the mountains of Israel for judgment. The amassing of those troops will be very plain to see. Even now there is movement in those nations. People of the world will be looking at their phones, TV, etc in great fear of a nuclear World War.

The Lockdowns due to a supposed pandemic will keep people separate from others. Most will only be concerned with getting supplies, (which may be limited) and returning home.

Then when those who are eagerly waiting and looking for the Lord are taken, their bodies will be changed and there will be nothing left to indicate where they are. If some people do notice that so and so is not around there are many reasons for that - gone into a covid quarantine camp, visiting relatives, gone on holiday, etc etc.

Have you ever thought about this?

I agree with your basic concept of the Rapture, as expressed in your thread.

It will be a more or less unnoticeable event. Perhaps for the following reasons:

1) As the religious world is becoming more and more Apostate, there will not be that many true believers left to Rapture as compared to the population of the world. Since the Rapture will take place after the last of the Gentiles be come in - it is only reasonable to assume, that the numbers will be dwindling up to that point.

2) That God being Sovereign over all things, He can assure that all of His, to be Raptured, are not at work in sensitive jobs or doing things that could cause a disaster, at the time of the Rapture. No active pilots, drivers, train engineers, medical workers, etc...

3) The Rapture, is classified Biblically, as a mystery. As such, God will keep it unnoticed from the world. People will be left with a mystery on their hands. The Great Tribulation, on the other hand, will get plenty of attention.

Of course, those who deny the Rapture, the Tribulation days, God revisiting Israel or believe the church is the "new Israel", will find no agreement with this line of thinking.

 

[Marilyn]

100% conjecture

Easy to say but harder to prove.

 

[awelight]

These also can be non born again believers.😗😗

Say What !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Marilyn]

Boaz did NOT marry naomi.

You missed the entire message of ruth

`Your people shall be my people and your God, my God.` (Ruth 1: 16)

She became an Israelite.

 

[Marilyn]

This is pure baloney.

Pure conjecture.

I and others already showed you the body is the bride.

While peter got the revelation of the gospel to the gentiles paul was barely a convert.

Under your mistake = disqualified doctrine, what do you do with King Davids mistake?

Assuming correctly the entire bible is Gods word.

Lots of accusations there, and only those who cannot prove their theory do that.

Peter was a witness to the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ. (Acts 1: 22) He preached that Jesus is Lord and Messiah. Peter did not have the revelation that Christ was the Head of the Church, His Body. (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

Peter was wanting Jesus to restore the rulership to Israel again. (Acts 1: 6)

King David made a moral mistake but not a theological one. Peter thought that the gentiles had to become Jews as was the case previously. (eg Ruth)

 

[Marilyn]

[QUOTE ="Absolutely, post: 4738244, member: 272916"]Nope
You reframed that

Boaz was SECOND IN LINE.
There was another that had first choice.
He REFUSED BECAUSE OF RUTH BEING GENTILE.

You reframed the story to fit your doctrine.[/QUOTE]

`Your people shall be my people, and your God, my God.` (Ruth 1: 16)

And we know from that lineage the Lord came and He definitely was of ISRAEL.

 

[Marilyn]

Since you are now manufacturing your own theology, it is a total waste of time presenting any Scripture to you. What you have stated above is total nonsense.

Jesus had many titles - King of Judah, King of the Jews, King of Israel, the Lion of the Tribe of Israel, The Lamb of God, all related to ISRAEL.

 

[Marilyn]

I agree with your basic concept of the Rapture, as expressed in your thread.

It will be a more or less unnoticeable event. Perhaps for the following reasons:

1) As the religious world is becoming more and more Apostate, there will not be that many true believers left to Rapture as compared to the population of the world. Since the Rapture will take place after the last of the Gentiles be come in - it is only reasonable to assume, that the numbers will be dwindling up to that point.

2) That God being Sovereign over all things, He can assure that all of His, to be Raptured, are not at work in sensitive jobs or doing things that could cause a disaster, at the time of the Rapture. No active pilots, drivers, train engineers, medical workers, etc...

3) The Rapture, is classified Biblically, as a mystery. As such, God will keep it unnoticed from the world. People will be left with a mystery on their hands. The Great Tribulation, on the other hand, will get plenty of attention.

Of course, those who deny the Rapture, the Tribulation days, God revisiting Israel or believe the church is the "new Israel", will find no agreement with this line of thinking.

Thank you awelight,

How pleasant it is to have some one who can think logically and speak graciously. Much appreciated amid the firery accusations flying around here.

Just a small point. I believe that Eph. 4: 11 - 13, reveals that the Body of Christ will come to the maturity of faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, by the Holy Spirit, and then we will be drawn to the Lord, the Head who comes for His Body.

Any thoughts on that?

 

[Marilyn]

Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”
John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’ He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.
John ch3

Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Cor 11:1-2

For the Lord our Godb the Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give Him the glory.
For the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
8She was given clothing of fine linen,
bright and pure.”
For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.
9Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

Thank you David,

So it was in John ch. 3 concerning John talking about Jesus, the bridegroom and the bride. So John knew of that revelation. However the BODY of Christ was NOT revealed to any prior to the Lord giving that revelation to the Apostle Paul. (Eph. 3: 1 - 7) Thus John could NOT have been talking about the Body of Christ.

And Paul is speaking to his disciples and wanting to present them to the Lord, pure. Paul DOES NOT present us to the Lord, for it is the Lord Himself who presents us to Himself. (Jude 24)

Rev. 19: 7 & 8 speaks of the `wife` of the Lamb who has made herself ready by righteous acts. The Body of Christ is righteous IN Christ. Big difference.

 

[awelight]

Lots of accusations there, and only those who cannot prove their theory do that.

Peter was a witness to the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ. (Acts 1: 22) He preached that Jesus is Lord and Messiah. Peter did not have the revelation that Christ was the Head of the Church, His Body. (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

Peter was wanting Jesus to restore the rulership to Israel again. (Acts 1: 6)

King David made a moral mistake but not a theological one. Peter thought that the gentiles had to become Jews as was the case previously. (eg Ruth)

I don't understand how you can make this claim:

- Peter did not have the revelation that Christ was the Head of the Church, His Body. (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

When Peter and the others, were first to be told of the church or assembly (Greek), which Christ was building. Mat 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

By further explanation: Mat 16:18 And I also say unto you, that you are Peter (In the Greek - meaning: "small stone"), and upon this rock (In the Greek - meaning: "a large stone"), I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Therefore, the church would be built upon Jesus Christ Himself - the greater stone - of which Peter was a small part.

Also, you mischaracterized Peter's statement in Acts 1:6. Peter asked the Lord, Will you at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel. This question proves that Peter and the others, knew nothing of a "Kingdom" being established, up to this point. If they were in error, then Christ had ample opportunity to correct them but He did not. Instead, He told them they had no need to know the time of it's restoration. Because the Kingdom's restoration is a promise to Israel not to the church.

 

[Absolutely]

Who became an Israelite. (Ruth 1: 16)

16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

I have no idea what you think you proved,
ruth is almost always depicted in the story as "Ruth the moabitess"
vividl depicted as gentile.

6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it.

see that? The near kinsman did not want gentile blood in his bloodline.

7 Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.

8 Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.

9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.

10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.

 

[DavidTree]

Thank you David,

So it was in John ch. 3 concerning John talking about Jesus, the bridegroom and the bride. So John knew of that revelation. However the BODY of Christ was NOT revealed to any prior to the Lord giving that revelation to the Apostle Paul. (Eph. 3: 1 - 7) Thus John could NOT have been talking about the Body of Christ.

And Paul is speaking to his disciples and wanting to present them to the Lord, pure. Paul DOES NOT present us to the Lord, for it is the Lord Himself who presents us to Himself. (Jude 24)

Rev. 19: 7 & 8 speaks of the `wife` of the Lamb who has made herself ready by righteous acts. The Body of Christ is righteous IN Christ. Big difference.

The Revelation of the Bride of Christ began in Genesis.

In fact, John the Baptist knew of Her, as foretold, and he identified Her to us = John ch3

John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of Him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom stands and listens for him, and is overjoyed to hear the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. He must increase; I must decrease.

 

[Absolutely]

`Your people shall be my people and your God, my God.` (Ruth 1: 16)

She became an Israelite.

Are you aware of the fact that there are 2 gentiles in Jesus' lineage?

Rahab the harlot being one of them..

If i am not mistaken,that gentile prostitute was Boaz' mother.

 

[awelight]

Thank you awelight,

How pleasant it is to have some one who can think logically and speak graciously. Much appreciated amid the firery accusations flying around here.

Just a small point. I believe that Eph. 4: 11 - 13, reveals that the Body of Christ will come to the maturity of faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, by the Holy Spirit, and then we will be drawn to the Lord, the Head who comes for His Body.

Any thoughts on that?

No, I really don't think those who will be Raptured, have a real sense of it's coming. We may know it is growing close but certainly not the exact day or time.

Ephesians 4:11-14, are teaching the following:

Eph 4:11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Defines the various "offices" of the assembly, for the purpose of Corporate Worship and Edification. Which is defined in Verse 12.

Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:

Here we have the purpose of these offices explained. The "building up of the body of Christ", is in reference to Doctrinal knowledge and not to numbers of believers.

Eph 4:13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The explanation continues in the above verse. The edification of the Saints, in Doctrine, brings about the unity of the Faith. No unity, in the assembly, can occur, apart from every member being likeminded, in regards to Doctrine. As our knowledge of Doctrine grows, we become "mature" in our knowledge. Each growing in stature, to be conformed more and more unto a likeness of Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:14 that we may be no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;

The benefit of this "mature" Doctrinal knowledge is explained by verse 14. So that we will not be tossed TO and FRO by the Doctrines of man's imagination.

While this section of Scripture shows the importance of "sound" Doctrine, it does not lead one to understand the date and time of the Rapture. Just that there will be a Rapture, by virtue of proper doctrinal understanding of Scripture.

 

[Marilyn]

I don't understand how you can make this claim:

- Peter did not have the revelation that Christ was the Head of the Church, His Body. (Eph. 1: 22 & 23)

When Peter and the others, were first to be told of the church or assembly (Greek), which Christ was building. Mat 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

By further explanation: Mat 16:18 And I also say unto you, that you are Peter (In the Greek - meaning: "small stone"), and upon this rock (In the Greek - meaning: "a large stone"), I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Therefore, the church would be built upon Jesus Christ Himself - the greater stone - of which Peter was a small part.

Also, you mischaracterized Peter's statement in Acts 1:6. Peter asked the Lord, Will you at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel. This question proves that Peter and the others, knew nothing of a "Kingdom" being established, up to this point. If they were in error, then Christ had ample opportunity to correct them but He did not. Instead, He told them they had no need to know the time of it's restoration. Because the Kingdom's restoration is a promise to Israel not to the church.

Hi awelight,

Yes we know that Jesus said that He would build His `ekklesia,` called out ones. And Peter only knew that Israel was the `ekklesia,` the called out one. Jesus did not go on to explain further what He meant. Only later to Paul did the Lord reveal who the ekklesia was that He was building - His Body.

Peter knew the OT prophets that told of Israel being the ruler over the nations. `The God of heaven will set up a kingdom (rulership) ...` (Dan. 2: 44) Kingdom means rulership. God`s kingdom is over all, He made it, He never gave it away, He is just putting down rebellious rulership in every realm.

Glad we can agree that the restoration of the kingdom/rulership is to Israel over the nations.

 

[Marilyn]

16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

I have no idea what you think you proved,
ruth is almost always depicted in the story as "Ruth the moabitess"
vividl depicted as gentile.

6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it.

see that? The near kinsman did not want gentile blood in his bloodline.

7 Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.

8 Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.

9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.

10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.

Yes she was a Moabitess, however she did become of the nation of Israel as Gentile converts did.