The Father's name

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JaumeJ

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When Moses asked God what His name is....God said "I AM"
When Jesus was asked if he was God..........Jesus said "I AM" Mark 14:52
I believe when Jesus waqs asked, He repied that before Abraham was I am......

Mar 14:52
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(ASV) but he left the linen cloth, and fled naked.
(CEV) he left the cloth behind and ran away naked.
(Darby) but he, leaving the linen cloth behind him , fled from them naked.

(DRB) But he, casting off the linen cloth, fled from them naked.
(FDB) et, abandonnant la toile de fin lin, il leur échappa tout nu.
(FLS) mais il lâcha son vêtement, et se sauva tout nu.
(HNT) ויעזב את־הסדין בידם וינס מפניהם ערם׃
(INR) ma egli, lasciando andare il lenzuolo, se ne fuggì nudo.
(IRL) ma egli, lasciando andare il panno lino, se ne fuggì ignudo.
(ISV) he left the linen sheet behind and ran away naked.
(KJV) And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
(KJV+) AndG1161 heG3588 leftG2641 theG3588 linen cloth,G4616 and fledG5343 fromG575 themG846 naked.G1131
(ROB) El însă, smulgându-se din pânzătură, a fugit gol.
(SSE) mas él, dejando la sábana, huyó de ellos desnudo.
(TKK) Ama keten bezden sıyrılıp çıplak olarak kaçtı.
(Vulgate) at ille reiecta sindone nudus profugit ab eis
(Webster) And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
(WNT) but he left the linen cloth in their hands and fled without it.
 

JaumeJ

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#22
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 

garee

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#23
SO you do not believe God laid down his life for us, thereby perverting the true Gospel.
1 John 3:16 KJV
[16] Hereby perceive we the love of God , because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Now take a look at the words of the Almighty who died for our sins.
Revelation 1:18 KJV
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Son of God is not God?
Hebrews 1:8 KJV
[8] But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The Son of God not seen, is God. The Son of man seen, is Jesus.

Son of God, Son of man . Two different terms

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the "foundation of the world"

We rest in that finished work.

God is not a man as us. In respect to the Son of man Jesus's own temporal flesh. He informs us it profits for nothing,zero. He is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world, on the sixth day he rested from all His works. We are not saved by the promised outward demonstration as if God was a man as us to begin with. The temporal as shadow points to that not seen.

The formula for walking by faith below must be applied.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Cor. 4:18

When he left he left clear instructions

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2 Cor. 5:16

Again God is not a man as us never was never could be God has no beginning of days or end thereof.. We serve the Holy Spirit of Christ the eternal, not the flesh, the temporal .
 
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The Son of God not seen, is God. The Son of man seen, is Jesus.

Son of God, Son of man . Two different terms

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the "foundation of the world"

We rest in that finished work.

God is not a man as us. In respect to the Son of man Jesus's own temporal flesh. He informs us it profits for nothing,zero. He is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world, on the sixth day he rested from all His works. We are not saved by the promised outward demonstration as if God was a man as us to begin with. The temporal as shadow points to that not seen.

The formula for walking by faith below must be applied.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Cor. 4:18

When he left he left clear instructions

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2 Cor. 5:16

Again God is not a man as us never was never could be God has no beginning of days or end thereof.. We serve the Holy Spirit of Christ the eternal, not the flesh, the temporal .
I would like to see what the Lord would tell you when you would say to him that his work upon the cross was a shadow even though he said it was finished. You have deceived yourself very much. But I will continue to rebuke you for the sake of someone who might read this and understand, even though I ought to stop at the first or second admonition. Now regarding the term Son of man being on the the flesh and the not Spirit is also a blatant lie, since we are told the Son of man came down from heaven, even though we know it was the Holy Ghost which came down and became flesh by overshadowing Mary.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Tryint to explain the Trinity is like telling a blind man what co
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I would like to see what the Lord would tell you when you would say to him that his work upon the cross was a shadow even though he said it was finished. You have deceived yourself very much. But I will continue to rebuke you for the sake of someone who might read this and understand, even though I ought to stop at the first or second admonition. Now regarding the term Son of man being on the the flesh and the not Spirit is also a blatant lie, since we are told the Son of man came down from heaven, even though we know it was the Holy Ghost which came down and became flesh by overshadowing Mary.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Ivan, your remarks are classic "antichrist"
 

garee

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#26
SO you do not believe God laid down his life for us, thereby perverting the true Gospel.
1 John 3:16 KJV
[16] Hereby perceive we the love of God , because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Now take a look at the words of the Almighty who died for our sins.
Revelation 1:18 KJV
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Son of God is not God?
Hebrews 1:8 KJV
[8] But unto the Son he saith , Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Many from my experience use the metaphors as if they were literal, taking away the spiritual understanding hid from natural man used in various parables. like flesh blood which the Son of man says profits for nothing. or what the scripture refers to a clay (dust and water) lifeless spirit less rudiments of this world.

For instance the scripture informs us the life of the flesh is in the blood . But that life is not literal blood without the unseen spirit working in. When a person dies the flesh and blood return to the field of clay and the temporal spirit returns to that father .

For as the body without the spirit "is dead", so faith without works is dead also .James2:26

Because the spiritual understanding is hid. The Jehovah Witnesses forbid blood transfusion saying we are not to drink literal blood as if it was the source of spirit life and the Catholic do just the opposite not having the spiritual understanding and say we must drink the literal blood as the hands of their priest perform the supposed miracle of changing a piece of bread in literal blood .Millions of gallons.

The literal blood of Jesus was poured out and it returned to the lifeless spiritless clay it was taken from . It does not change the gospel of grace but defines the unseen work of God pouring out his Spirit on corrupted flesh as if it was blood.

Some have developed formulas saying water separated from the blood . But the words "as it were" denote a parable is in view.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

God is not a man as us. The one time demonstration is over..Even though some did know Christ after the flesh there will be no more demonstrations(2 Cor.5:16) . Not in the power of the demonstration but the unseen Spirit performing it.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
 

Lanolin

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Thats weird on here lots of people seem to accuse others of not believing. We are all given a measure of faith...some of us might not have as much as others but we ought to encourage each other to grow not put others down just because they dont seem to understand EVERYTHING.
 

Lanolin

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Garee with blood...Jesus literally bled and his blood was placed on the mercy seat. That was the atonement.
His blood did count it paid our ransom it wasnt just a metaphor.
The blood on the doorposts when the angel of death passed over israel was literally blood it wasnt imaginary spiritual blood.

Some people separate out too much of what God is showing us on earth, and some only see the natural without the spiritual, I agree. If you a gardener you know that dried blood and bone is beneficial to plants. So it isnt actually as lifeless as one thinks.