The flood and the nephilim

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Graybeard

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Genesis 4:15
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

This mark was a physical mark. One that would scare off any would-be attackers. It was his size. Cain was already large. God made him larger.

That is an assumption, where is the evidence to support such a claim?
Mistake!...that is Israel's quote, I forgot to put it into a quotation.

my reply to this is:
That is an assumption, where is the evidence to support such a claim?
 
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Graybeard

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I think there is enough scripture to confirm that the "sons of God" where indeed angels.
 
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Mistake!...that is Israel's quote, I forgot to put it into a quotation.

my reply to this is:
That is an assumption, where is the evidence to support such a claim?
lol. I thought that sounded a little out in left field from your previous posts.
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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I believe many conspiracies involving the nephilum begin as an attempt to explain the scientific discoveries of what we now understand to be neanderthal and cromagnon man, believed to be two sub species of human that interbred thus giving bhirth the modern species.

I personally feel that the neanderthal skeletons to the remains of humans that had lived for several hundred years thus their bodies changed somewhat in reaction to their eviroments and the effects of gravity on a body after several hundreds of years. They primarily inhabited Europe and the Middle East.

Cromagnon man however is a bit more interestiing.They were far taller somewhat more slender than modern man ( 8 to10 feet tall) and the skulls were much more rounded. While I couldn't say for certain, chances are they devoloped this way to due an isolated gene pool. Cromagnons mostly inhabited Africa.

It only makes sense that these two would meet and clash in or around the area which eventually became Israel.
 
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I think there is enough scripture to confirm that the "sons of God" where indeed angels.
so adam was an angel ???????

Lu 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD.
and once we decide to trust the Lord we become angels ???????????

Joh 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name:Ro 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD.Ro 8:19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.Php 2:15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;1jo 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the SONS OF GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.1jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the SONS OF GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
and I thought all angels had wings, I know my wife said I was an angelic being for I was always up in the air harping about something. But a real true to God angel, could it be true I am an angel????

Ge 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
or could it mean that the sons of God were the ones that had trusted the Lord and the daughters of men was the evil ones??? just a thought!!!
 
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miktre

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so adam was an angel ???????

Lu 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD.
and once we decide to trust the Lord we become angels ???????????
'Son of' is actually omitted in the texts here. But this is a genealogy from Joseph to Adam who natually God created cause he had no earthly father.

Joh 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name:
#G5043 Teknon a child

Ro 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD.
Ro 8:19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.
#G5043 hwee-os' son
This is not something attained in the flesh but speaks of a future event.
Ro 8:18
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Php 2:15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
#G5043 Teknon a child

1jo 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the SONS OF GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
#G5043 Teknon a child

1jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the SONS OF GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
#G5043 Teknon a child
 
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Fallen angels. wings. They fly around today just like in the days of old.
 
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miktre

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Fallen angels. wings. They fly around today just like in the days of old.
We'll its not quite the same, for their spirits roam the earth today but one day soon as in the days of Noah they shall be here in their spiritual bodies.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Genesis 5:1-3
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Why doesn't the Bible state that Adam was the FATHER of all living? Why does Genesis 5 start Adam's lineage with Seth? What happened to Cain and Abel? Because Abel was killed and Cain is NOT Adam's child!

Genesis 4:15
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

This mark was a physical mark. One that would scare off any would-be attackers. It was his size. Cain was already large. God made him larger.

Genesis 5:32
And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 6:1-9
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Noah was also a son of God. He was perfect in his generations as were the other sons of God. But as the other sons of God fell to the evil around them in copulating with the offspring of Cain, Noah walked with God. Noah was 500 years old when he had his three sons. Why so long? Because women who were also pure blooded and walked with God were virtually wiped out at this time. He had to settle on a woman that worshiped God as he did, but she was not of pure blood as Noah was. But Noah found grace because after that union, unlike the other sons of God, he continued to walk with God. Since the Flood, everone else was of one mixed blood.

Genesis 9:18-22,24-25
And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

19These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
20And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

What did Ham do to Noah? If it was simply to look upon his father's naked body the why curse Canaan and not Ham?

Leviticus 18:7-8,27-28;20:11
The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
27(For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
11And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ham committed incest with his mother, Noah's wife, and the offspring of that unholy union was Canaan! The Canaanites were Giants. But this wasn't just in mere size only. The sons of God and daughters of men also produced mighty men, men of renown as well.

2Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

If the angels had produced giants on the earth by copulating with women, then how could they do it again not only after the flood but even in our time as well?
That's correct Canaan was the result of incest, that's why Canaan was cursed, he was the result of the of Ham's rape of his mother.
 
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Graybeard

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#51
so adam was an angel ???????

Lu 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the SON OF GOD.
and once we decide to trust the Lord we become angels ???????????

Joh 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name:Ro 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD.Ro 8:19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.Php 2:15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;1jo 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the SONS OF GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.1jo 3:2Beloved, now are we the SONS OF GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
and I thought all angels had wings, I know my wife said I was an angelic being for I was always up in the air harping about something. But a real true to God angel, could it be true I am an angel????

Ge 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
or could it mean that the sons of God were the ones that had trusted the Lord and the daughters of men was the evil ones??? just a thought!!!
I was referring more to the Old Testament verses....but I doubt it very much if you will even answer this as you normally shout your say and don't bother to reply...so I DARE you to explain these verses:

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 
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jesus_be4_religion

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I was referring more to the Old Testament verses....but I doubt it very much if you will even answer this as you normally shout your say and don't bother to reply...so I DARE you to explain these verses:

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
My bible is an NIV and uses angels in the place of Sons of God in those verses and that actually makes more sense since in that time man was not coming before God with Satan. I think we have overstepped what these few verses in the bible mean. It never clearly tells you that angels bred with humans, and it does not even make sense, for the bible says when we get to heaven we will be like the angels and wont have sex. The bible says dont go beyond what is clearly in the bible. I think any verse that says Sons of God breeding with the Daughters of Men could clearly also read: Gods chosen race breeding with daughters of Satan, or lost races, which happened often as the bible shows.
 
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Thats an excellent point - that angels cannot marry or have sex so fallen angels sleeping with humans is impossible.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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My bible is an NIV and uses angels in the place of Sons of God in those verses and that actually makes more sense since in that time man was not coming before God with Satan. I think we have overstepped what these few verses in the bible mean. It never clearly tells you that angels bred with humans, and it does not even make sense, for the bible says when we get to heaven we will be like the angels and wont have sex. The bible says dont go beyond what is clearly in the bible. I think any verse that says Sons of God breeding with the Daughters of Men could clearly also read: Gods chosen race breeding with daughters of Satan, or lost races, which happened often as the bible shows.
Sons of God were Sethites.

The story is told in the "Book of Adam and Eve" and the "Book of Cave Treasures"
 
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Graybeard

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actually to be precise, the Bible says no one will marry or be given in marriage....that does not mean there won't be no sex, two different things. We will not know as the Bible does not say there will be no sex. How do we know the Angels cannot have sex?...we don't we only assume.
How do we know that the Angels don't pro-create?...we don't as the Bible does not say, so we cannot just assume things that are incomprehensible to our three dimensional minds.
 
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lol Graybeard you're basically saying that there is no marriage but there is still sex. I don't think Jesus was suggesting that fornication would be possible, I've always understood sex to be in the context of marriage inthose scriptures , i.e. no marriage, no sex.
 
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Graybeard

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No..I'm saying there COULD be sex, we don't know. Fornication is confined to us humans here on Earth, how do we know that in Heaven it is not because we are free from the confines of human nature/limitations...don't get me wrong, this is not what I believe..lol....but we are so caught up in our three dimensional world that we cannot even imagine what it is like to be in our glorified bodies without sin and living with God who has no limits.
For all we know God could say to us in the age to come..."okay now go and multiply and fill the universe! lol
 
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jesus_be4_religion

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That does not make sense at all. If we cant marry in heaven and we could have sex that would be sinning.If it sounds to good to be true it usually is lol.
 
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Harley_Angel

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Lol, I wonder how many times God had to do a /facepalm reading through this. Interesting ideas and postulations, though.
 
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miktre

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This model, sculpted by Joe Taylor, of a giant human femur (leg bone) is a popular exhibit at Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum. The sculpture is mounted over a drawing to scale to show how large this person was. There really were giant humans!

Think about it friends' you get a white robe in heaven. Would you remove that white robe for anything? Are we not created in God's image? You wouldn't still have the same physical sexual hormone desires so I would think you would have to have a perverse heart and be caught up in your own vanity to do so.
Without getting descriptive could not an angel have done all manner of sexual acts with a woman besides intercourse, then why could not also they could have intercourse and reproduced with them?



1 Corinthians 11
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
For as it shall be in the days of Noah, those fallen angels are returning.
 
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