The Gift Of Tongues

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Blackpowderduelist

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GiveThanks said:
The OP was rather long...
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You don't have to explain yourself. If you choose to speak to someone in a thread without reading the op, this is an open forum, and you are a member. You are free to do so. There are some who only want to bludgeon others while claiming to be filled with the spirit, while exhibiting none of the fruit of the spirit (Galatians 5).
I do however recommend a read of 1 Corinthians 14, Paul writes about the gift of tongues and prophecy in that chapter.
 
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soberxp said:
Tongues I always thought it was, for example, English, French, Italian, German,
I can't imagine how Hebrew speakers communicate with other languages, or how they transmit the word of God to people in different dialects In the early stage.
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Were all the early apostles language geniuses?

I understand that God has directly given them the power of language/ Tongues ?
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On the day of Pentecost the 120 spoke in tongues and the Jews who had come from 15 or more nations heard them in their own national tongue. What it says they heard was them speaking the wonders of God, or mighty deeds of God. This seems to paint a picture of them praising God individualy in tongues and the people understanding them. When we look for examples of speaking the wonderous works of God we find examples in Psalms when the mighty deeds of God are used as a way to express praise to him.

There is no account of these 120 going to preach the Gospel to other nations using their gift of tongues. When Peter addressed this crowd on the day of Pentecost after the initial "event" he spoke to them most likely in Aramaic which was the "hebrew" for the Jews at that time having become the language of religion and home in the Jewish household even if dispersed far from Jerusalem, but it is also possible that he addressed them in Greek. No one believes that Peter was speaking in tongues when he addressed them and preached the Gospel and 3000 were saved that day.

So when you hear people say that the gift of tongues was given so that they could go preach the Gospel to other nations in their tongue without having to learn it first, this is not what happened. And yet the myth continues to be spread. Hopefully not by your pastor who should be more educated in scripture.
 
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SophieT

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GiveThanks said:
Did you read it?
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I would not ask someone if they had read it while I did not read it.

For that matter, have you read or even better, studied what Paul had to say to the Corinthians?

Paul is the expert here. Not people's opinions and misinformation. :)
 
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Scribe said:
So when you hear people say that the gift of tongues was given so that they could go preach the Gospel to other nations in their tongue without having to learn it first, this is not what happened. And yet the myth continues to be spread. Hopefully not by your pastor who should be more educated in scripture.
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Does the scripture not say that everyone there on that penticostal day heard the gosple in their own lanuage?
 
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GiveThanks said:
Does the scripture not say that everyone there on that penticostal day heard the gosple in their own lanuage?
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Does your NT end at the book of Acts? Can you possiblyt entertain the thought of responding to what Paul wrote?

1 CORINTHIANS 12
Concerning Spiritual Gifts
1Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Chapter 14 reveals that tongues is also for the edification of the individual. Acts is now a chapter in the history of the understanding of the Apostles
 
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SophieT said:
I would not ask someone if they had read it while I did not read it
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I was only asking so that i could give you a compliment for being such a big reader.
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For that matter, have you read or even better, studied what Paul had to say to the Corinthians
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Yes. Infact i re read 1Corinthians 14 just now to refresh my memory but it seems i have a different oppinion than yours.
 
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GiveThanks said:
I was only asking so that i could give you a compliment for being such a big reader.

Yes. Infact i re read 1Corinthians 14 just now to refresh my memory but it seems i have a different oppinion than yours.
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Right. So your opinion is different from what Paul says as well. Your silly sarcastic remark duly noted. Ignorance is not really bliss ;)

Is it over reaching to think people should read the OP before responding to it? Otherwise, just go comment in the 'Speak your mind' thread. No op there. People go the trouble to create an op and they just get run over. That's a sad fact. I think some consider reading the Bible the same way. They just read it through their own lens. :(
 
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SophieT said:
Right. So your opinion is different from what Paul says as well. Your silly sarcastic remark duly noted. Ignorance is not really bliss ;)
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Ok thanks for that word of advice. I will think carefully over what you have said.
 
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I am a little confused when everyone refers to 1 Corinthians 14 and appears to ignore Paul's final remark in verses 37 to 40: "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant still. Wherefore brethren covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order." While one must acknowledge that not every response seen during revivals appears decently and in order and could be disdained any study of the many revivals will reveal that those things soon waned and the Lord had His way.
 
shittim

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Nicely said, thank you brother
 
soberxp

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Scribe said:
On the day of Pentecost the 120 spoke in tongues and the Jews who had come from 15 or more nations heard them in their own national tongue. What it says they heard was them speaking the wonders of God, or mighty deeds of God. This seems to paint a picture of them praising God individualy in tongues and the people understanding them. When we look for examples of speaking the wonderous works of God we find examples in Psalms when the mighty deeds of God are used as a way to express praise to him.

There is no account of these 120 going to preach the Gospel to other nations using their gift of tongues. When Peter addressed this crowd on the day of Pentecost after the initial "event" he spoke to them most likely in Aramaic which was the "hebrew" for the Jews at that time having become the language of religion and home in the Jewish household even if dispersed far from Jerusalem, but it is also possible that he addressed them in Greek. No one believes that Peter was speaking in tongues when he addressed them and preached the Gospel and 3000 were saved that day.

So when you hear people say that the gift of tongues was given so that they could go preach the Gospel to other nations in their tongue without having to learn it first, this is not what happened. And yet the myth continues to be spread. Hopefully not by your pastor who should be more educated in scripture.
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what I said from what I thought,not from any pastor, it's my understanding the power of god.

1 corinthians 14.11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
 
CS1

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Blackpowderduelist said:
I was talking in specific about occasions or occurrences. In answering the question as to what speaking in tongues is.
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it is a supernatural event and gifting and one of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit there are three vocal gifts 1. tongues, 2.interpretation of tongues 3. prophesying
 
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SophieT

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GiveThanks said:
Ok thanks for that word of advice. I will think carefully over what you have said.
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Don't bother about me. Consult the Bible to learn what is being said about tongues. Acts is only the beginning.
 
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SophieT

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Pilgrim said:
I am a little confused when everyone refers to 1 Corinthians 14 and appears to ignore Paul's final remark in verses 37 to 40: "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant still. Wherefore brethren covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order." While one must acknowledge that not every response seen during revivals appears decently and in order and could be disdained any study of the many revivals will reveal that those things soon waned and the Lord had His way.
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It hasn't been ignored. Basically all of it has been covered at one time or another. A person cannot repeat it every time they post.
 
soberxp

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I have a new understanding, that is, I speak Chinese, but you listen to English?:ROFL::LOL::love:
 
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jb said:
The subject of the gift of tongues should also be read with the Baptism in the Spirit
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On that note; What do you think about these verses:

Luke 3:16
16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire

Matt 3:11
11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John 1:33
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

What is meant by fire? Some interpret it as spiritual fire because of the tongues of flame mentioned on the day of Pentecost. Others say it is a judgment on those who are separated and burned up (chaff) as if He were saying One is baptized in the Holy Spirit and another is baptized in fire.

Since we will probably still be discussing the tongues of flame on Pentecost, continuing the subject in this thread seems appropriate.
 
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Scribe said:
On that note; What do you think about these verses:

Luke 3:16
16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire

Matt 3:11
11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John 1:33
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

What is meant by fire? Some interpret it as spiritual fire because of the tongues of flame mentioned on the day of Pentecost. Others say it is a judgment on those who are separated and burned up (chaff) as if He were saying One is baptized in the Holy Spirit and another is baptized in fire.

Since we will probably still be discussing the tongues of flame on Pentecost, continuing the subject in this thread seems appropriate.
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Fire in this context is the Holy Spirit. The fire represents cleansing and purification. The fire predicts our being made righteous and being sanctified.

Tell the truth the cloven tongues of fire indicating the presence of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost also indicate a purification and sanctification for service to the Lord God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Dino246

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notuptome said:
Fire in this context is the Holy Spirit.
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If what you claim is true, then Jesus is saying, "I will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with the Holy Spirit."

I am highly confident that Jesus was not redundant in His statement.
 
notuptome

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Dino246 said:
If what you claim is true, then Jesus is saying, "I will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with the Holy Spirit."

I am highly confident that Jesus was not redundant in His statement.
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Well first of all it is not Jesus who is speaking in the passage but John.

Fire remains symbolic of the cleansing of the Holy Spirit. This is a cleansing only God can perform.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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