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RachelBibleStudent

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That being said, how did this discussion go from not going to heaven right after you die to keeping the sabbath?
his denomination promotes both false doctrines...as well as a whole slew of other cultish beliefs...
 
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Here is one to ponder against the info I have shared thus far: Revelation 22:14-15 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."
 
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Circumcision availeth nothing. Christ did not command believers to observe the Sabbath. You cannot love Christ until you know Christ as your Saviour. Herein is love not that we loved God but that He loved us and gave Him Son to be the propitiation of sin for us. Christ died for us while we were yet sinners.
Time for you to stop treading underfoot the blood of Christ. Heb 10:29

For the cause of Christ
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You claim Jesus did not teach beleivers to observe the Sabbath??? Wow,,, Tell me,, Just what are you going to do with matthew 24:20 ??????

"And pray that your flight be not in winter or on the Sabbath day."

Why would you claim that Jesus didn't teach His followers to observe the Sabbath?

Do you even think or research anything before you spout off?
 
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You claim Jesus did not teach beleivers to observe the Sabbath??? Wow,,, Tell me,, Just what are you going to do with matthew 24:20 ??????

"And pray that your flight be not in winter or on the Sabbath day."

Why would you claim that Jesus didn't teach His followers to observe the Sabbath?

Do you even think or research anything before you spout off?
That is a sort of cute and innocent misunderstanding on your part. I remember when I stumbled at that same thing. :)

It is also a pivotal point which if you will receive with meekness will begin to open up your understanding and help you to see yet even more.

Everything back there were shadows. Paul has told you that, especially in Hebrews. The gates to Jerusalem were closed and locked on the Sabbath day back there in that fleshly Jerusalem. That compares to unbelief as that locking of the gates was done as a man-made tradition of those religious leaders who did not believe in God's warning to them. Thus they locked the gates to force obedience to them.

With those locked gates on the Sabbath, locked by the religious leaders fleshly traditions, escape to safety from out of that whoreish city would be impossible for anyone on the Sabbath day should that be the day their need for flight to safety and refuge elsewhere came.

The need did come on that day and the people could not escape due to the traditions of their religious teachers holding them captive, as those locked gates. So as i said, they were held captive to unbelief. Trusting in those wolves in sheep's clothing posing as their spiritual leaders, they were lulled into a sense of false security.

Now, Paul shows how that fateful day compares to that day in the wilderness, that day where God gave them rest from their work of slavery (that yolk of bondage) in Egypt.

Extra Extra!!! Read all about it. You need not be told where. :)
 
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If it sounds like I am laughing at you it is not me: Psalms 2:4 "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision."

Psalms 37:13 "The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming."

Psalms 52:6 "The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him.."

Now get angry and get off your pride filled duff to see what is true.
 
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That is a sort of cute and innocent misunderstanding on your part. I remember when I stumbled at that same thing. :)

It is also a pivotal point which if you will receive with meekness will begin to open up your understanding and help you to see yet even more.

Everything back there were shadows. Paul has told you that, especially in Hebrews. The gates to Jerusalem were closed and locked on the Sabbath day back there in that fleshly Jerusalem. That compares to unbelief as that locking of the gates was done as a man-made tradition of those religious leaders who did not believe in God's warning to them. Thus they locked the gates to force obedience to them.

With those locked gates on the Sabbath, locked by the religious leaders fleshly traditions, escape to safety from out of that whoreish city would be impossible for anyone on the Sabbath day should that be the day their need for flight to safety and refuge elsewhere came.

The need did come on that day and the people could not escape due to the traditions of their religious teachers holding them captive, as those locked gates. So as i said, they were held captive to unbelief. Trusting in those wolves in sheep's clothing posing as their spiritual leaders, they were lulled into a sense of false security.

Now, Paul shows how that fateful day compares to that day in the wilderness, that day where God gave them rest from their work of slavery (that yolk of bondage) in Egypt.

Extra Extra!!! Read all about it. You need not be told where. :)
The verse he posted simply means don't allow yourself to quarrel on God's day.
 
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The verse he posted simply means don't allow yourself to quarrel on God's day.
Does it? :)

That would certainly be true if you mean that it also contains the thought of not quarreling with God so as to fail to obey him.

But it means much more than that if one is meek to be able and see it.

Instead of resisting what I said, test the advice out by trying it against Paul's words in the letter to the Hebrews. that is what a meek person would do.

If God speaks his word to anyone and they dismiss it with haste, that word having been spoken, is a two edged sword which can cut thru false beliefs one way fro to give life, but the other way as to become the basis of judgment.

And it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God's judgment upon disobedience for unwillingness to hear.
 
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Does it? :)

That would certainly be true if you mean that it also contains the thought of not quarreling with God so as to fail to obey him.

But it means much more than that if one is meek to be able and see it.

Instead of resisting what I said, test the advice out by trying it against Paul's words in the letter to the Hebrews. that is what a meek person would do.

If God speaks his word to anyone and they dismiss it with haste, that word having been spoken, is a two edged sword which can cut thru false beliefs one way fro to give life, but the other way as to become the basis of judgment.

And it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God's judgment upon disobedience for unwillingness to hear.
Is that your way of getting people to believe? Through fear?

How is is that my interpreting being different to your interpreting is somehow directly proportionate to 'dismissing God's word with haste'? I'm not dismissing God's word, I'm seeing it in a different light than you do.
 

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You claim Jesus did not teach beleivers to observe the Sabbath??? Wow,,, Tell me,, Just what are you going to do with matthew 24:20 ??????

"And pray that your flight be not in winter or on the Sabbath day."

Why would you claim that Jesus didn't teach His followers to observe the Sabbath?

Do you even think or research anything before you spout off?
That is not a command from Jesus for Christians to observe the Sabbath. Jesus was simply telling His disciples to pray their flight isn't on Sabbath day because they would be prevented from fleeing Jerusalem by the Jewish custom. It was never imposed on the Gentiles; as a matter of fact Paul said that Christ has liberated them from the law thus they shouldn't let anyone judge them on the matter of feasts and Sabbath days.
Colossians 2:13-17
13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15. And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 
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Is that your way of getting people to believe? Through fear?

How is is that my interpreting being different to your interpreting is somehow directly proportionate to 'dismissing God's word with haste'? I'm not dismissing God's word, I'm seeing it in a different light than you do.
I know very well what paradigms are.

I see everything you say just exactly as you do because I am completely free of having a preferred way other than God's way. Thus, I am able to shift to your paradigm with some ease, having practiced that ability for some time now.

Flat out, you are wrong. :)

Now see if you can paradigm shift to the view I shared and actually give it genuine consideration. For I have no view but God's.
 
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I know very well what paradigms are.

I see everything you say just exactly as you do because I am completely free of having a preferred way other than God's way. Thus, I am able to shift to your paradigm with some ease, having practiced that ability for some time now.

Flat out, you are wrong. :)

Now see if you can paradigm shift to the view I shared and actually give it genuine consideration. For I have no view but God's.
Then we're finished talking.