The Heresy of Perfectionism

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eternally-gratefull

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No I dont. I believe someone who dilibertly, and purposely continues in sin is a sinner.

Do what? What are they then. Are you for real??
 
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4 runner, its purposeFULly...
 
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Nalu

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Well before i got to cc, honestly i never met any nonsinners, a few too
many selfrighteousness people(which i once was) but i never thought i
was sinless. And I didnt know there even was anybody that believed
we could become sinless.

I read about Wesley, dont blame him for trying. But he turned from it
still a young man. :)
I know Abiding, this place is crawling with spiritual pride. Modern day pharisee mindset.

Some feel that they are on par with Jesus, very sad indeed.

I believe that Jesus is God and Jesus alone is perfect.

There is none blinder then those who refuse to see, but as long as a person is breathing, there is still hope.

Repent for the Kingdom of Jesus Christ is at hand.
 
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I know Abiding, this place is crawling with spiritual pride. Modern day pharisee mindset.

Some feel that they are on par with Jesus, very sad indeed.

I believe that Jesus is God and Jesus alone is perfect.

There is none blinder then those who refuse to see, but as long as a person is breathing, there is still hope.

Repent for the Kingdom of Jesus Christ is at hand.
If you believe Jesus is perfect then you must believe that He can live perfectly in and through you, dont ya?
 
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Consumed

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If it's perfection let us be perfect in loving one another as Christ, honor and respect to those all who call on the name and blood of Jesus. Once again theological religious knowledge tries to to exalt itself above the knowledge of God and self positions quickly forget all is built and has been done in and thru love. Yes be perfect for He is perfect, that perfection is love under any circumstance situation trial or tribulation. Take love honor and respect out of any situation and we take God from being seated in our heart to the side and sit in His place, thank you Lord you never gave up or give up on us.
How quickly we can forget Jesus did what He did for love for God is love by nature and character perfect. Seek His kingdom and way in ruling that kingdom, with love.

Blessings
 
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AnandaHya

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If you believe Jesus is perfect then you must believe that He can live perfectly in and through you, dont ya?
what happens when you put pure water in a dirty vessel?
 
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Abiding

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Originally Posted by 4runner
Zone believes chronic sin is permissable

4runner have you got the post yet where zone say this, and the doctrine of demons?
you say she teaches?
 
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Abiding

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Id sure like to clear it up whether a doctine of demons is being taught.
And accusations have to stop or be proven. Or an apology. Do you need scripture?
 
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If you believe Jesus is perfect then you must believe that He can live perfectly in and through you, dont ya?
Manifesting the life of Christ can only take place through death when we take up our cross, deny self and let death work in us. That has nothing to do with sinless perfection. Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die it abides alone, but if it die it brings forth much fruit. Life comes forth out of death, that's what the resurrection is all about. In Adam all die but in Christ all are made alive. The personal cross we take up is a daily cross and the death that works in us is daily, as Paul said, I die daily (1Cor 15:51) and only through a cross is the life of Christ made manifest in us and through us...

2Cor 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Death working in us is not living a life of sinless perfection, it's letting the cross have its perfect work in us. We die a little more each day to the appetites and desires of the flesh in our experience as Christ is formed in us through death. How many believers substitute the gifts for taking up a personal cross and never get to know the risen Christ because those gifts have no ability to work death in us, only the cross can do that.
 
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Lad

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ummm but Yeshua doesnt live in us??
 
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Id sure like to clear it up whether a doctine of demons is being taught.
And accusations have to stop or be proven. Or an apology. Do you need scripture?
Someone could prove the sinful saint doctrine is a doctrine of demons 100 ways, from 10 different angels, use 50 passages of scripture, and you would still deny that it has been proven. You should apologize to God for denying His word.
 
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AnandaHya

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Exactly that is why He not only forgives us, but cleanses us from all unrighteousness.
yep in a process called sanctification and completed upon literal death of the flesh and resurrection of the body upon Jesus return.

everyone is still taking a bath in the Holy Spirit. too dirty to be called "perfect" as Jesus is Perfect.
 
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ummm but Yeshua doesnt live in us??

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;


Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His
 
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yep in a process called sanctification and completed upon literal death of the flesh and resurrection of the body upon Jesus return.

everyone is still taking a bath in the Holy Spirit. too dirty to be called "perfect" as Jesus is Perfect.
The word tells us they we can be perfected before the resurrection
 
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Consumed

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How crafty is the devil, his wiley ways to bring disunity even while sharing our faith with others, one offence or self righteous thought provoked turns it all personal and the very thing we are to adore and glorify ends up in the back tier of our minds and hearts. We never need justifies ourselves, we can't nor ever will, we walk in His righteousness, selflessness supposedly dont we? We've been blessed with grace to be a blessing (graciousness) to others of all creeds and beliefs. Blessed are the peace makers, they are ridiculed, scorned and slandered always as idealists and not realists, I believe Jesus showed us idealism manifested realism by His selfless act at cavalry. Now that's perfection, may we aspire to the ideal.

Love covers all
 
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Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;


Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His
Yes, key word there SPIRIT, the holy spirit lives in me not Yeshua. Yeshua is in heaven, building me and others a mansion and ruling over the universe.
 
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Yes, key word there SPIRIT, the holy spirit lives in me not Yeshua. Yeshua is in heaven, building me and others a mansion and ruling over the universe.
and Galatians 2:20 means.........?