The Herods

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loveme1

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hi loveme.
it's way past my MP3 bedtime podcast thingee.
but soon i may post on what i think i see (in scripture) remaining.
we touched on this before.:)
hitherto the D___ist thing has been muddying everything.

maybe i'll PM you first when i have it laid out simply (!!...like THAT's ever gonna happen:confused:)
k...nite.

grace and peace to you in Christ Our Lord
zone.
Thank you and Good night zone, worry not if you don't find time i was just trying to make head and tail of what you were doing here is all.

You would need to simplify it for a simpleton... :)
 

zone

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Thank you and Good night zone, worry not if you don't find time i was just trying to make head and tail of what you were doing here is all.

You would need to simplify it for a simpleton... :)
i'm a simpleton...that's why it's taking so long to simplify it.
;)
 
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Zone your post is 100% true, I keep telling people Edom is not extinct but is still ruling with an iron fist. Despite the fact, some will deny outright truth, or just keep lying to themselves. Such people, you are to be weary of. Edom/Herodians has yet to be judged but that time is near, it will be a terrible judgement upon them. The Bible said their judgement will be the worse of any nation of people to set foot on this earth.
 

zone

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k....going to indugle in reptile talk for a bit.

why not, eh?:rolleyes: i'm clearly bored.

no clue if this is true or not.

.......

The number 666 could have been referred to Herod Agrippa, king of the Judea. In the old Hebrew documents, the name of Herod could be written at least in two manners: Hôredôs and Hôrôdôs. In the second manner, there is three waw. As the value of letter waw is 6, the name includes then three 6. Herod is the proper name of all a dynasty of tyrants, since it is the name of Herod the Great; his son Herod from the second Mariam; Herod son of Cleopatra; Herod Antipas; Herod Archelaus; Herode Aggripa 1st; Herod of Chalcis; and Herod Aggrippa II, the contemporary of the great war of the Judea against Rome. When the name of Herod was spelled in Hebrew Hôrôdôs, that gave visually for the reader Hebrew H6R6D6S, the name of the three 6.

Number 666 Symbolism, 666 Meaning and Numerology < click
 

zone

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From Josephus, Antiquities 19.8.2 343-361:

"Now when Agrippa had reigned three years over all Judea he came to the city Caesarea, which was formerly called Strato's Tower; and there he exhibited spectacles in honor of Caesar, for whose well-being he'd been informed that a certain festival was being celebrated. At this festival a great number were gathered together of the principal persons of dignity of his province. On the second day of the spectacles he put on a garment made wholly of silver, of a truly wonderful texture, and came into the theater early in the morning.

There the silver of his garment, being illuminated by the fresh reflection of the sun's rays, shone out in a wonderful manner, and was so resplendent as to spread awe over those that looked intently upon him. Presently his flatterers cried out, one from one place, and another from another, (though not for his good) that he was a god; and they added, "Be thou merciful to us; for although we have hitherto reverenced thee only as a man, yet shall we henceforth own thee as superior to mortal nature." Upon this the king neither rebuked them nor rejected their impious flattery.

But he shortly afterward looked up and saw an owl sitting on a certain rope over his head, and immediately understood that this bird was the messenger of ill tidings, just as it had once been the messenger of good tidings to him; and fell into the deepest sorrow. A severe pain arose in his belly, striking with a most violent intensity. He therefore looked upon his friends, and said, "I, whom you call a god, am commanded presently to depart this life; while Providence thus reproves the lying words you just now said to me; and I, who was by you called immortal, am immediately to be hurried away by death. But I am bound to accept what Providence allots, as it pleases God; for we have by no means lived ill, but in a splendid and happy manner." When he had said this, his pain became violent.

Accordingly he was carried into the palace, and the rumor went abroad everywhere that he would certainly die soon. The multitude sat in sackcloth, men, women and children, after the law of their country, and besought God for the king's recovery. All places were also full of mourning and lamentation. Now the king rested in a high chamber, and as he saw them below lying prostrate on the ground he could not keep himself from weeping.

And when he had been quite worn out by the pain in his belly for five days, he departed this life, being in the fifty-fourth year of his age and in the seventh year of his reign. He ruled four years under Caius Caesar, three of them were over Philip's tetrarchy only, and on the fourth that of Herod was added to it; and he reigned, besides those, three years under Claudius Caesar, during which time he had Judea added to his lands, as well as Samaria and Cesarea. The revenues that he received out of them were very great, no less than twelve millions of drachmae. But he borrowed great sums from others, for he was so very liberal that his expenses exceeded his incomes, and his generosity was boundless."

Acts 12 relates that he was eaten by worms, (possibly Fournier's gangrene, the same disease that may have killed his grandfather Herod the Great) after God struck him for accepting the praise of sycophants, comparing him to a god.


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zone

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The Jewish Encyclopedia has a different account of Agrippa's reign:

Claudius, showed himself grateful to Agrippa for important services rendered him, and upon his accession, placed under his rule the remainder of Palestine, the territories of Samaria, Judea, and Idumæa, formerly governed by Archelaus. Loaded with honors and titles, Agrippa returned home, and the few remaining years of his benevolent sway afforded the people a brief period of peace and prosperity. The evil consequences of a ruler's unbridled passions and tyranny had been sufficiently evident to him in Rome, and they had taught him moderation and strict self-control.

His people regarded him with love and devotion, because he healed with tender hand the deep wounds inflicted upon the national susceptibilities by brutal Roman governors. He ruled his subjects with compassion and friendliness. Like the ancestral Asmoneans from whom he sprang through his noble grandmother Mariamne, he honored the Law. Like the merest commoner, he carried his basket of first-fruits to the Temple; with the people he celebrated appropriately the Feast of Tabernacles, and he devoted to the sanctuary a golden chain with which Caligula had honored him.

On one occasion, while in the street, he met a bridal procession which drew up to let him pass, but he halted and bade it take precedence. He sought to lighten taxation, remitting the impost on houses in Jerusalem. On the coins minted by him he carefully avoided placing any symbols which could offend the people's religious sentiment. Thus, prosperity and comfort seemed to be dawning anew for the Jews. The Romans, however, became jealous of this rising prosperity, and—sometimes covertly, sometimes openly—laid all manner of obstacles in his way. When he began to repair the fortifications of the capital, he was abruptly bidden to cease.

His attempts to fraternize with neighboring peoples—vassals of Rome—were construed as portending rebellion. His sudden death at the games in Cæsarea, 44, must be considered as a stroke of Roman politics. His death, while in the full vigor of his years, was deeply lamented by his people, notwithstanding the fact that he had made many considerable concessions to heathen manners and customs. The Christians looked upon his death as a judgment for his undisguised hostility to their young community (Acts, xii.)."[8][9][10]


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zone

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The Talmud also has a positive view of his reign:

The Mishnah explained how the Jews of the Second Temple era interpreted the requirement of Deuteronomy 31:10–13 that the king read the Torah to the people. At the conclusion of the first day of Sukkot immediately after the conclusion of the seventh year in the cycle, they erected a wooden dais in the Temple court, upon which the king sat.

The synagogue attendant took a Torah scroll and handed it to the synagogue president, who handed it to the High Priest's deputy, who handed it to the High Priest, who handed it to the king. The king stood and received it, and then read sitting. King Agrippa stood and received it and read standing, and the sages praised him for doing so.

When Agrippa reached the commandment of Deuteronomy 17:15 that “you may not put a foreigner over you” as king, his eyes ran with tears, but they said to him, “Don’t fear, Agrippa, you are our brother, you are our brother!”[11]

The king would read from Deuteronomy 1:1 up through the shema (Deuteronomy 6:4–9), and then Deuteronomy 11:13–21, the portion regarding tithes (Deuteronomy 14:22–29), the portion of the king (Deuteronomy 17:14–20), and the blessings and curses (Deuteronomy 27–28).

The king would recite the same blessings as the High Priest, except that the king would substitute a blessing for the festivals instead of one for the forgiveness of sin. (Mishnah Sotah 7:8; Babylonian Talmud Sotah 41a.)

Agrippa I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click



know you antichrist candidates:confused:
 

vic1980

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Interesting read you have here zone, my mind is pondering now hmm....
 

zone

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Interesting read you have here zone, my mind is pondering now hmm....
pretty sure we have the super-bad guy.
they're all pretty much packed into the last chapters of Daniel.
it's an amazing book.

i'm wondering why Herod got scrubbed from the Candidates list:confused:
oh...maybe.....:rolleyes:
 

vic1980

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Beforereading , it has nothing to do with herods but it was interesting what i found in the Talmud, wow talk about time is up

The Curtain of Separation

History seems to indicate that there were two curtains in Herod's Temple: One at the huge gated entry into the Temple and the other separating the Holy of Holies and the main sanctuary. These curtains were said to be 60 feet long, 30 feet wide, and as thick as the palm of a man's hand. We are told that these curtains were so heavy that 300 priests were needed to manipulate each one. The curtain being torn from top to bottom was a foreboding omen indicating that God's hand had torn it in two and that his presence was leaving that holy place. (See the Jewish Talmud, Yoma 39b).
The Temple Gates

The Jewish Talmud says that 40 years before the Temple was destroyed the gates of the temple opened by themselves, until Rabbi Yohanan B. Zakkai rebuked them (i.e., the gates) saying, "Hekel, Hekel, why do you alarm us? We know that you are destined to be destroyed" (Yoma 39b).

The priests understood that, for Ezekiel's prophecy to be fulfilled, the existing temple would have to be destroyed and a new one built ,but they did not understand he was to dwell in us; however, because they did not understand the prophecies concerning the Messiah for their time, they did not understand the supernatural opening of the gates to mean that the old system of atonement was being replaced with a new one also.

The Sanhedrin

The Sanhedrin officiated from the Chamber of Hewn Stones which was about 120 feet southeast of the Temple and its enormous stone lintel, which was at least 30 feet long, weighed some 30 tons and had cracked during the earthquake at the Messiah's death.

History tells us that the Sanhedrin moved from their opulent surroundings in the Chamber of Hewn Stones to lesser accommodations shortly after the earthquake. Because there is no record of the Sanhedrin being forced by the Romans to move from the Temple (which would have caused a major political crisis), one can assume that the Sanhedrin moved because the earthquake had so damaged the building that it was unsafe for them to continue to meet there.

It is interesting that, prior to the Messiah's crucifixion in 30 A. D., the Romans had taken away the Sanhedrin's authority to execute criminals (See Jn.18:31; Talmud Sanh.1:1,7:2). The last judgement that the Sanhedrin made from the Temple was to sentence the Messiah and Creator of humanity to death. From 30 A.D. to the time of this writing no Sanhedrin has officiated from a Temple in Jerusalem. With the departure of the Sanhedrin from the Chamber of Hewn Stones, the law no longer went forth from the Temple.

Forty years before the destruction of the Temple, the Sanhedrin was banished from their official residence to the trading station on the Temple Mount (Shabbat 15a), and eventually off the Mount altogether.
40 YEARS OF WARNINGS

Many wonder why God waited 40 years after Jesus' death and resurrection to fulfill his prophecy about the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. First, the number 40 in the Bible is symbolic of trial, testing, and punishment. Second, waiting 40 years shows God's patience in allowing the Jews time to repent and turn back to him with proper behavior and worship so that he could bless them instead of punishing them.
Although the Temple and city were not destroyed until 70 A.D., the supernatural events that occurred on the day the Messiah was murdered were only a few of the many warnings given to the Jewish people prior to the destruction of their beloved Temple and city. On the Day of Atonement in 30 A.D. a series of two consecutive warnings that were repeated on this day for another 39 years began.
A Black Stone and A Scarlet Thread

"And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat" (Lev.16:8 KJV).

There is much debate over exactly what kind of objects the lots were. However, the information found in the Babylonian Talmud and the Mishnah indicates that the lots were two stones—one white and one black. The white stone had the words “For the Lord” written on it, and the black stone had the words “For Azazal” (i.e., the goat that is sent away or banished) written on it.

These two stones were placed into a container and it was shaken; then, without looking into the container, the high priest would put his right hand into the container and draw out one of the lots.

The Babylonian Talmud shows that, for two hundred years before 30 A.D., the first stone to appear in the right hand of the high priest randomly fluctuated each year between the white and black stone. One would expect this type of randomness, because God selected the more perfect goat to be slain for the sins of the people. But, beginning with the Day of Atonement in 30 A.D. (the year of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ), the black stone appeared in the right hand of the high priest for the next 39 years.

The chances of the black stone (For Azazal) appearing 40 consecutive times in the right hand of the high priest is over a trillion to one according to Pascal's table of numerical odds.

The continual appearance of the black stone in the right hand of the high priest was surely a sign of God's displeasure with the House of Judah and a warning for them to repent.

The fulfillment of the prophetic black stone came after forty years of continuous warning when the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in 70 A. D. by the Roman Empire.

The Scarlet Thread
On the Day of Atonement, a scarlet wool thread was placed on the door of the sanctuary. It was said that this thread turned white when the live goat was set free. But, beginning on the Day of Atonement in 30 A.D., this thread never turned white again. See Yoma 39b, Babylonian Talmud and pages 166, 170 Mishnah, by Danby.

Clearly, the failure of the scarlet thread to turn white was another sign of God's disapproval of Israel's worship of him and their impending punishment if they did not repent. See Isa.1:18.
THE REBELLION

Shortly after the beginning of 63 A.D. and while Jerusalem was still a peaceful and thriving city, Jesus the son of Ananus began proclaiming and warning of the coming destruction to Jerusalem. For his continued effort to warn of the impending disaster (which lasted seven years and five months according to Josephus) he was ridiculed and beaten.

Three years after Jesus the son of Ananus began his prophetic warnings, and in the Spring of 66 A.D., the Jews of Judea began a full scale rebellion against Rome.

Besides the continual warnings of the son of Ananus, the Jews also received a number of supernatural warnings of the coming destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem.

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded several dramatic events and warnings that concerned the Temple worship system at Jerusalem (War, Book 6. ch.5.) and foretold the end of the Temple worship system at Jerusalem. The following are just a few of the many warnings of impending disaster to come upon Jerusalem.

During the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 66 A.D., at about 3 in them morning, a light as bright as daylight appeared around the altar for half an hour. Although some thought it was a good sign, the scribes understood it to be a precursor to the supernatural events that followed during the Feast--A heifer being led for sacrifice was said to have given birth to a lamb in the midst of the Temple. Also, around midnight, during the Feast, the huge eastern gate of the inner court of the temple, which was made of brass and normally took twenty men to shut, opened on its own. Josephus says that this was understood by knowledgeable men to mean that the Temple's protection had vanished and that the gate was opened for the benefit of their enemies. These enlightened men publicly declared that this sign foreshadowed the disaster that was coming on them (Wars IV,5,3).
On the twenty first of the month of Iyar, just before sunset, chariots and soldiers in armor were seen running about in the clouds around the city. See Lk.21:20.
During the night portion of the day of Pentecost in 66 A.D., as the priests were entering the inner court of the Temple, they felt a quaking and heard a great noise and a sound like a great multitude of voices saying, "Let us remove hence".
Jewish historical records state that the shekinah glory departed the Temple at that time and remained over the mount of olives for three and a half years, during which time, a voice could sometimes be heard coming from the mount pleading for the Jews to repent. See Midrash Lamentations 2:11. It is said that, just before the Roman's final siege of Jerusalem, that this light which appeared over the Mount of Olives disappeared into the heavens.
The Jews failed to heed these and many other warnings to repent of their sins and return to their God in humble obedience. If indeed the nation of Israel began its covenant relationship with the Creator God on the day of Pentecost at the foot of Mount Sinai, it ended this relationship on the day of Pentecost in 66 A.D..


Destroyed in 70 A.D.

By the summer of 68 A.D., Jews were nearing defeat by the Roman legions and in 69 A.D., Vespasian was made emperor of Rome and gave his son Titus the honor of delivering the final death blows to the rebellious Jews and their capital city.

In The Wars of the Jews, Book 6, Josephus notes that, on the eighth day of the of the Roman month Lous (Jewish month Ab), the ramps were finished and Titus ordered the battering-rams brought up and made ready for an assault on the Temple. With the battering-rams in place the Roman siege of Jerusalem, which began at Passover that year, would come to an end.

As soon as the walls were breached on the 9th of Ab in 70 A.D., a Roman military force of about 30,000 troops under the command of Titus marched into Jerusalem and began a systematic slaughter of the Jews and the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem—exactly as Jesus foretold 40 years earlier
The Romans brutally slaughtered an estimated 600,000 people in Jerusalem including many of the Passover visitors who had been trapped there for the 143 days during the Roman siege. Many of the people who were not killed by Roman soldiers were shipped off to the gladiatorial games, Roman mines, and otherwise exiled from Judea and scattered throughout the Roman empire and other nations. By the year 73 A.D., all traces of a self-ruling Jewish nation had completely disappeared.
Josephus records that the Romans put the city and the Temple to the torch and that these fires were still burning a month later on the eighth day of the Roman month Gorpieus (Jewish month Elul).

The magnificent Temple that Herod had built was completely destroyed as the fires raged inside and out. These fires were so hot that the gold fittings, and the gold gilding inside and on it's outside walls melted and ran into the cracks between and in the stones. During the pillaging of the Temple these stones were broken up to get at the gold. Therefore, fulfilling Jesus' prophecy that no stone would be left on another—the destruction was total, just as Jesus foretold.

Summary
The Temple Solomon built was destroyed by fire on the 9th of Ab in 585 or 586 B.C. (depending on which biblical scholar is doing the research). Just 656 or 657 years later on the 9th of Ab in 70 A.D., the Temple that Herod built was also destroyed.

The destruction of both Solomon's Temple and Herod's Temple on the 9th of Ab seems to indicate that, when God's patience comes to an end with his chosen people, he removes his presence and the physical symbolism of his presence from among them to be a witness to future generations that there is a price to pay for disobedience to him.
 

vic1980

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pretty sure we have the super-bad guy.
they're all pretty much packed into the last chapters of Daniel.
it's an amazing book.

i'm wondering why Herod got scrubbed from the Candidates list:confused:
oh...maybe.....:rolleyes:
Seems like the super-bad guy, as for Herod getting scrubbed form the list. It trully seem we all have been condition to except what we were taught,one great example for approval that is used always, if you tell a lie long enough people will believe it.

Hope to see more on this subject,and God bless
 

iamsoandso

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hey just thought i'd toss this in,,,,,,,,,,,,the Herod blood-line,,,,,,, since it's the fancy,,,go back to your own postings,,,,to Beatrice,,, look close at her brother,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"branch of her root",,,,,,,,,and follow it.


follow the bloodline,,,,,ill give you help,,,,,search David ickie blood line of bush/Herod The Windsor-Bush Bloodline dont stop their,,,,,,,,keep looking,,,,,,,
 

zone

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Genesis 36
1Now these are the records of the generations of Esau (that is, Edom).


2Esau took his wives from the daughters of Canaan: Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Oholibamah the daughter of Anah and the granddaughter of Zibeon the Hivite;3also Basemath, Ishmael’s daughter, the sister of Nebaioth.4Adah bore Eliphaz to Esau, and Basemath bore Reuel,5and Oholibamah bore Jeush and Jalam and Korah. These are the sons of Esau who were born to him in the land of Canaan.

6Then Esau took his wives and his sons and his daughters and all his household, and his livestock and all his cattle and all his goods which he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to another land away from his brother Jacob.7For their property had become too great for them to live together, and the land where they sojourned could not sustain them because of their livestock.8So Esau lived in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom.

Descendants of Esau

9These then are the records of the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in the hill country of Seir.10These are the names of Esau’s sons: Eliphaz the son of Esau’s wife Adah, Reuel the son of Esau’s wife Basemath.11The sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho and Gatam and Kenaz.12Timna was a concubine of Esau’s son Eliphaz and she bore Amalek to Eliphaz. These are the sons of Esau’s wife Adah.13These are the sons of Reuel: Nahath and Zerah, Shammah and Mizzah. These were the sons of Esau’s wife Basemath.14These were the sons of Esau’s wife Oholibamah, the daughter of Anah and the granddaughter of Zibeon: she bore to Esau, Jeush and Jalam and Korah.

15These are the chiefs of the sons of Esau. The sons of Eliphaz, the firstborn of Esau, are chief Teman, chief Omar, chief Zepho, chief Kenaz,16chief Korah, chief Gatam, chief Amalek. These are the chiefs descended from Eliphaz in the land of Edom; these are the sons of Adah.17These are the sons of Reuel, Esau’s son: chief Nahath, chief Zerah, chief Shammah, chief Mizzah. These are the chiefs descended from Reuel in the land of Edom; these are the sons of Esau’s wife Basemath.18These are the sons of Esau’s wife Oholibamah: chief Jeush, chief Jalam, chief Korah. These are the chiefs descended from Esau’s wife Oholibamah, the daughter of Anah.19These are the sons of Esau (that is, Edom), and these are their chiefs.

20These are the sons of Seir the Horite, the inhabitants of the land: Lotan and Shobal and Zibeon and Anah,21and Dishon and Ezer and Dishan. These are the chiefs descended from the Horites, the sons of Seir in the land of Edom.22The sons of Lotan were Hori and Hemam; and Lotan’s sister was Timna.23These are the sons of Shobal: Alvan and Manahath and Ebal, Shepho and Onam.24These are the sons of Zibeon: Aiah and Anah—he is the Anah who found the hot springs in the wilderness when he was pasturing the donkeys of his father Zibeon.25These are the children of Anah: Dishon, and Oholibamah, the daughter of Anah.26These are the sons of Dishon: Hemdan and Eshban and Ithran and Cheran.27These are the sons of Ezer: Bilhan and Zaavan and Akan.28These are the sons of Dishan: Uz and Aran.29These are the chiefs descended from the Horites: chief Lotan, chief Shobal, chief Zibeon, chief Anah,30chief Dishon, chief Ezer, chief Dishan. These are the chiefs descended from the Horites, according to their various chiefs in the land of Seir.

31Now these are the kings who reigned in the land of Edom before any king reigned over the sons of Israel.32Bela the son of Beor reigned in Edom, and the name of his city was Dinhabah.33Then Bela died, and Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah became king in his place.34Then Jobab died, and Husham of the land of the Temanites became king in his place.35Then Husham died, and Hadad the son of Bedad, who defeated Midian in the field of Moab, became king in his place; and the name of his city was Avith.36Then Hadad died, and Samlah of Masrekah became king in his place.37Then Samlah died, and Shaul of Rehoboth on the Euphrates River became king in his place.38Then Shaul died, and Baal-hanan the son of Achbor became king in his place.39Then Baal-hanan the son of Achbor died, and Hadar became king in his place; and the name of his city was Pau; and his wife’s name was Mehetabel, the daughter of Matred, daughter of Mezahab.

40Now these are the names of the chiefs descended from Esau, according to their families and their localities, by their names: chief Timna, chief Alvah, chief Jetheth,41chief Oholibamah, chief Elah, chief Pinon,42chief Kenaz, chief Teman, chief Mibzar,43chief Magdiel, chief Iram. These are the chiefs of Edom (that is, Esau, the father of the Edomites), according to their habitations in the land of their possession.
 

zone

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no clue if this means anything. prolly not.
then again, the closer i look the more i see Scripture has such minute details recorded.
hmmm...


Genesis 36
1Now these are the records of the generations of Esau (that is, Edom).


6Then Esau took his wives and his sons and his daughters and all his household, and his livestock and all his cattle and all his goods which he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and went to another land away from his brother Jacob.7For their property had become too great for them to live together, and the land where they sojourned could not sustain them because of their livestock.8So Esau lived in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom.

Taking a keen interest in everything relating to the kingdom of the Chazars, Ḥasdai begs the king to communicate to him a detailed account of the geography of his country, of its internal constitution, of the customs and occupations of its inhabitants, and especially of the history of his ancestry and of the state. In this letter Ḥasdai speaks of the tradition according to which the Chazars once dwelt near the Seir (Serir) Mountains;

CHAZARS - JewishEncyclopedia.com < click
 

Angela53510

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The number 666 could have been referred to Herod Agrippa, king of the Judea. In the old Hebrew documents, the name of Herod could be written at least in two manners: Hôredôs and Hôrôdôs. In the second manner, there is three waw. As the value of letter waw is 6, the name includes then three 6. Herod is the proper name of all a dynasty of tyrants, since it is the name of Herod the Great; his son Herod from the second Mariam; Herod son of Cleopatra; Herod Antipas; Herod Archelaus; Herode Aggripa 1st; Herod of Chalcis; and Herod Aggrippa II, the contemporary of the great war of the Judea against Rome. When the name of Herod was spelled in Hebrew Hôrôdôs, that gave visually for the reader Hebrew H6R6D6S, the name of the three 6.

Number 666 Symbolism, 666 Meaning and Numerology < click
I had always heard that 666 referred to Nero. See:

The Mark Of The Beast

Not going to argue about Herod, he was also quite the beast. But it had to be someone who lived after Christ, n'est-ce pas?
 

Angela53510

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Zone, you are not serious about that link, are you?????


  • Represents the human Karma, in contact with the cosmic Karma and the divine providential balance, according to R. Allendy.
  • By bringing number 666 of the 18th blade of the Tarot, 6+6+6 = 18, A. Bertet interprets that as the obscurantism, the black magic, the wandering of the man out of initiation.
  • Key-number of the life according to Abellio, because it is the result of the sum of the following numbers: 123 + 231 + 312, orderly series, or 132 + 321 + 213, disorderly series. It is the manifestation of the three terms of the Trinity, in the three plans: spiritual, animist and material.
  • In "The last waltz of the tyrants", Ramtha says that this number is the one of gold. The number 6 is the one of the man who did not overcome his passions yet - the man having 6 members with the tail, 5 being the number of the perfect man with his 5 members, the tail being left. The fact that the beast is associated to the number 666 means that the beast will use the gold to enslave the man having again his passions.

    Etc!! Very occultic and untrue stuff!! Not trying to be against you, but just wondering why you would post this link to support your case?

 

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I had always heard that 666 referred to Nero. See:

The Mark Of The Beast

Not going to argue about Herod, he was also quite the beast. But it had to be someone who lived after Christ, n'est-ce pas?
Herod did live after Christ.
dates found from all the quick sources never all line up - i don't care about the precise dates...it's the story lining up i'm concerned with.


Agrippa II (born AD 27/28),[1] son of Agrippa I, and like him originally named Marcus Julius Agrippa, was the seventh and last king of the family of Herod the Great, thus last of the Herodians. He was the brother of Berenice, Mariamne, and Drusilla (second wife of the Roman procurator Antonius Felix). He is sometimes also called Herod Agrippa II.[2]

According to Photius, Agrippa died, childless, at the age of seventy, in the third year of the reign of Trajan, that is, 100,[5] but statements of historian Josephus, in addition to the contemporary epigraphy from his kingdom, cast this date into serious doubt. The modern scholarly consensus holds that he died before 93/94.[1] He was the last prince of the house of the Herods.

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Zone, you are not serious about that link, are you?????


  • Represents the human Karma, in contact with the cosmic Karma and the divine providential balance, according to R. Allendy.
  • By bringing number 666 of the 18th blade of the Tarot, 6+6+6 = 18, A. Bertet interprets that as the obscurantism, the black magic, the wandering of the man out of initiation.
  • Key-number of the life according to Abellio, because it is the result of the sum of the following numbers: 123 + 231 + 312, orderly series, or 132 + 321 + 213, disorderly series. It is the manifestation of the three terms of the Trinity, in the three plans: spiritual, animist and material.
  • In "The last waltz of the tyrants", Ramtha says that this number is the one of gold. The number 6 is the one of the man who did not overcome his passions yet - the man having 6 members with the tail, 5 being the number of the perfect man with his 5 members, the tail being left. The fact that the beast is associated to the number 666 means that the beast will use the gold to enslave the man having again his passions.

    Etc!! Very occultic and untrue stuff!! Not trying to be against you, but just wondering why you would post this link to support your case?

it was only this part i posted (i cite my sources regardless of how dumb they are):

"The number 666 could have been referred to Herod Agrippa, king of the Judea. In the old Hebrew documents, the name of Herod could be written at least in two manners: Hôredôs and Hôrôdôs. In the second manner, there is three waw. As the value of letter waw is 6, the name includes then three 6. Herod is the proper name of all a dynasty of tyrants, since it is the name of Herod the Great; his son Herod from the second Mariam; Herod son of Cleopatra; Herod Antipas; Herod Archelaus; Herode Aggripa 1st; Herod of Chalcis; and Herod Aggrippa II, the contemporary of the great war of the Judea against Rome. When the name of Herod was spelled in Hebrew Hôrôdôs, that gave visually for the reader Hebrew H6R6D6S, the name of the three 6."


i said i dunno if it was true or not (that it would translate into 666 in Hebrew).
the other stuff is clearly stupid:)

does anyone know whether this could be true or not?
 

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I had always heard that 666 referred to Nero. See:

The Mark Of The Beast

Not going to argue about Herod, he was also quite the beast. But it had to be someone who lived after Christ, n'est-ce pas?
the only reason i even embarked on this was because the KING of Hebrews 11 appeared to be a jewish king (however nominally jewish the herods were).

all the other kings and stuff mentioned in Daniel are identified as the king of this or that. clearly described as which nation/alliances etc...

Herod was blatantly described as being connected to and embedded with the jews.

sure enough turns out he was - way more than i thought.
i saw the Herods a long time ago as the clay in the toes with the iron (romans) but couldn't do much more with it (til just sitting down with the book and looking at history)......still could be wrong.

the romans were clearly enemies, and identified as such. BUT SO ARE THE HERODS IN SCRIPTURE.
yet never identified.

he's the guy:)
 
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i suspected for a long time this is that last combined enemy kingdom of the TEN Caesars who ruled during the life of Christ; and the SEVEN Herods who ruled with them (the toes of the image in Daniel).

Revelation 13:1
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

cuz Daniel 2 said IN THE DAYS OF THOSE KINGS...the God of Heaven would set up a Kingdom that would be forever.

and He did - Jesus came:)

the Stone struck the Image....the stone the builders rejected.

Herod and his cohorts (apostate jews and romans) were busy builders....:confused:

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The Herodian Dynasty was a Judean dynasty of Idumean descent. Herodian dynasty began with Herod the Great, who assumed the throne of Judea, with Roman support, bringing down the century long Hasmonean Kingdom. His kingdom lasted until his death in 4 BCE, when it was divided between his sons as Tetrarchy, which lasted for about 10 years. Most of those kingdoms, including Judea proper, were incorporated into Judaea Province in 6 CE, though limited Herodian kingship continued in Northern Levant until 92, when the last Herodian monarch, Agrippa II, died and Rome assumed full power of his domain.

During the time of the Hasmonean ruler John Hyrcanus (134-104 BCE), Judea conquered Edom (Idumea) and forced the Edomites to convert to Judaism.

The Edomites were gradually integrated into the Judean nation, and some of them reached high ranking positions. In the days of Alexander Jannaeus, Edomite Antipas, was appointed governor of Edom. His son Antipater, father of Herod the Great, was the chief adviser to Hasmonean Hyrcanus II and managed to establish a good relationship with the Roman Republic, who at that time (63 BCE) extended their influence over the region, following conquest of Syria and intervention in a civil war in Judea.

Julius Caesar appointed Antipater to be procurator of Judea in 47 BCE and he appointed his sons Phasael and Herod to be governors of Jerusalem and Galilee respectively. Antipater was murdered in 43 BCE; however, his sons managed to hold the reins of power and were elevated to the rank of tetrarchs in 41 BCE by Mark Anthony.

Herodian dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

etc etc.


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