The Homosexual Threat

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Yes I can easily explain. Matthew 21:31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
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Mat 21.31 - 32
Which of the two did the will of the father? They said toHim, The first. Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you, The tax collectors andthe harlots go before you into the kingdom of God. For John came to you in theway of righteousness, and you did not believe him. But the tax-collectors andthe harlots believed him. And having seen, you did not repent afterwards tobelieve him.

The key here is that they REPENTED of their situation.
 
Blain

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It is not my intention to offend. All I am trying to get you to see is that we can never reason from human experience to understand the text. We must always endevor to reason from the text to understand human experience. Human experience never sheds light upon the text. The text on the other hand will always shed light upon the experience.
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Actually yes we can, Scripture always speaks of God's love, I have felt this love. the bible often speaks of how faithful God is, I have known of this faithfulness from before I was even a christian. The Bible also speaks of of trusting God, I have only recently been able to truly trust him and then I finally understood the scriptures. Do you need more? I have many more.
 
oldhermit

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Actually yes we can, Scripture always speaks of God's love, I have felt this love. the bible often speaks of how faithful God is, I have known of this faithfulness from before I was even a christian. The Bible also speaks of of trusting God, I have only recently been able to truly trust him and then I finally understood the scriptures. Do you need more? I have many more.
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You didn't understand one word of what I just said. You completely missed the implications.
 
Elizabeth619

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Stephen63 said:
This is projective manipulation, blaming the op for talking about a legitimate topic, as if he has sinned for bringing it up. If the op had talked about homosexual priests taking advantage of children, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. If he had talked about drunk drivers and how many people have been killed, ditto. When a minority has more rights than the majority, there is obviously an agenda. When one person's problem is a sin, and the other persons problems are considered a sickness, somebody isn't rightly dividing the word of truth.
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You. Are. Awesome. !!!!!
 
Blain

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oldhermit said:
You didn't understand one word of what I just said. You completely missed the implications.
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Okay then please explain once more and I apolagize for misunderstanding
 
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Okay then please explain once more and I apolagize for misunderstanding
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Forgive me for not putting it in more simple terms. What I am saying is that human experience can never be used as the metric for understand scriprure. Truth is not in the experience. Truth is always in the gramatical structure of the biblical text that teaches us how we are to represent that experience. Experience is never the standard for determining what is right or wrong. The Word of God is the only stantard of revealed truth. This is where we must always start. NEVER with our experiences.
 
DuchessAimee

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The homosexuals defence is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. It is simply an attempt to placate a concience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Trying to pass homosexuality off as a fetal anomaly in just a form of rationalization.
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Like sin? You do realize that sin is a fetal condition, right? We're BORN this way.


YOUR sin put Christ on the cross. YOUR sin rips the fabric of morality. YOUR sin condemned you to hell. YOUR sin.


Do you still sin? I'll bet you do! Don't get mad at someone just because they sin differently than you do.




Look, I have an issue with homosexuality. It's against the Word of God and the gay culture is one of the most hedonistic on record. However, sin is sin. It ALL weighs the same. Stop hate mongering.
 
Elizabeth619

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oldhermit said:
How do you feel about the assault on the moral fabric of out nation that is fueled by the homosexual comminity?
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After some things that I have witnessed this week that has affected me, close friends, and my church congregation I am going to say that ALOT of the homosexual "issue" is the media.

Many in the media will take stories from people who are homosexual. Exploit it, make it look like their victims, and then throw in comments about bigots, ignorant Christians and hate. The fact is many of us Christians that do not approve of homosexuality are not bigots, haters, ignorant and so on. We interact with gay people, friends with them, related to them, and deal with them on a daily basis. We may not approve of their ways, but that by no means indicates we hate them or wish ill on them.
I mentioned that I witnessed something this week, and I have. My whole town did. On one of those Talent/singing reality shows there was a kid from my town that on the show this past week. He has a beautiful voice, and could easily reach fame by his talent. Yet, when this kid walked on stage he announced to the the entire nation that his parents kicked out him of his house on his 18th birthday for being gay. He tears up, and everyone feels sorry for him. This kid did sing well, and will advance on, but I can't help but wonder if it was because of his talent or because he was a "victim" of hate. News headlines are all over the internet about how this guy was kicked out of his home on his birthday, and disowned by his family. People are now calling his parents bigots, ignorant, shameful..etc.
Guess what. I know his parents. I know him. I attend the same congregation he once did. His parents NEVER kicked him out, but he walked out. His own brother denied the accusations, and his family is heartbroken. This guy(his name is Jonathan) got on national television, and slandered the people who raised him.
Has his family been interviewed or asked about the situation? No. Are people judging total strangers and looking down on these "ignorant bigot Christians" because of a lie? YES.

This is why I blame the media for ALOT of what is going on.

BTW, please pray for this situation. This could become worse, and I fear for those involved.
 
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oldhermit said:
Forgive me for not putting it in more simple terms. What I am saying is that human experience can never be used as the metric for understand scriprure. Truth is not in the experience. Truth is always in the gramatical structure of the biblical text that teaches us how we are to represent that experience. Experience is never the standard for determining what is right or wrong. The Word of God is the only stantard of revealed truth. This is where we must always start. NEVER with our experiences.
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Oh ok, well experience or not the bible clearly states to treat other how we want to be treated. I highly doubt judging the gays is what that scripture meant. Man kind will never know the true heart of God if we go around judging each other. I have made enemies here in cc, some people reeeally do not like me. But I treat them with love and respect( Or at least always try) Is this not what we are called to do as christians? So just see the gays as the people who don't like me, and respond as I do. I hold nothing against others and am always doing my best to show them the heart of God. And while I do not agree with you I still love you as a brother
 
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media will spin things to their own agenda.
 
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You are absolutely right Elizabeth. The media is always all over this issue and always defending what ever side of the story will sell the most headlines. The role of the media is no longer to present truth, it is to sway public opinion. It is quite obvious which direction the sway is tending.
 
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media will spin things to their own agenda.
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Funny you should say this, many christians do this as well. Perhaps even me, I really hope I don't but If I do then please forgive me LOL
 
oldhermit

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Oh ok, well experience or not the bible clearly states to treat other how we want to be treated. I highly doubt judging the gays is what that scripture meant. Man kind will never know the true heart of God if we go around judging each other. I have made enemies here in cc, some people reeeally do not like me. But I treat them with love and respect( Or at least always try) Is this not what we are called to do as christians? So just see the gays as the people who don't like me, and respond as I do. I hold nothing against others and am always doing my best to show them the heart of God. And while I do not agree with you I still love you as a brother
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As a matter of fact Blain, God has made it very clear how he feels on this issue. Do we dare defend what God has condemned??? The greatest act of love toward the homosexual community is not to feel sorry for them or try to rationalize or justify their behavior but to teach them the truth so they will not have to face the judgement of God on this matter.
 
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DuchessAimee said:
Like sin? You do realize that sin is a fetal condition, right? We're BORN this way.


YOUR sin put Christ on the cross. YOUR sin rips the fabric of morality. YOUR sin condemned you to hell. YOUR sin.


Do you still sin? I'll bet you do! Don't get mad at someone just because they sin differently than you do.




Look, I have an issue with homosexuality. It's against the Word of God and the gay culture is one of the most hedonistic on record. However, sin is sin. It ALL weighs the same. Stop hate mongering.
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Speaking against something is not hate mongering. Yes, we all sin. Even as Christians, but if we never spoke up against things then how are we to spread the Truth? Sitting around and being silent when we are to set an example, and lead people away from sin is not an easy job, but that is what we are to do.
We don't speak against homosexuality out of hate. I personally love them. I love everyone. I love them so much I want them to go to Heaven. That Is why I speak against it. To be honest...when people say nothing or are too scared to speak up and teach the truth they are the ones promoting hate. Accepting ones wordly ways isn't love.
 
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@Elizabeth619,

I started to say that boy sure played the media, but after some thought, maybe the media played him. After all, it's usually those with all the money that's doing the playing.
 
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oldhermit said:
As a matter of fact Blain, God has made it very clear how he feels on this issue. Do we dare defend what God has condemned???
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Of course you don't have to defend it. But most of us on here are Americans, we can at least acknowledge that they have the freedom to do as they wish. Just as every single one of us should have the freedom to worship or not to worship.
 
Blain

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oldhermit said:
As a matter of fact Blain, God has made it very clear how he feels on this issue. Do we dare defend what God has condemned???
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I don't know do we? Do you remember all the scripture I posted? God has as you say condemned us not loving one another, condemned us judging less we be judged, Need I post more?
 
Elizabeth619

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oldhermit said:
You are absolutely right Elizabeth. The media is always all over this issue and always defending what ever side of the story will sell the most headlines. The role of the media is no longer to present truth, it is to sway public opinion. It is quite obvious which direction the sway is tending.
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Here is the video of his audition. This kid used to lead singing at church. His voice is amazing. I am so disappointed in what he said. His parents are wonderful people.

Jonathan Allen, 20 ~ AGT 2013 New Orleans Auditions - YouTube
 
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squeaky wheel gets the oil :rolleyes:
 
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Of course you don't have to defend it. But most of us on here are Americans, we can at least acknowledge that they have the freedom to do as they wish. Just as every single one of us should have the freedom to worship or not to worship.
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Your are absolutely right. They do have the God given right to choose. God does not force the choice on anyone. At the end of the matter though is the fact that our choices have forced consequence. This is what I am trying to get them to avoid.
 
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