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WHO decided which PARABLES to be taken literally and which ones not?
I mean, Jesus said He was a "gate", a "vine" and a shephard. Can I bring my gate to church and say "here He is!" or bring a grape vine?
Jesus was showing us that HE is the Sacrificial Lamb. HE is to save His people in the Passover.
If you think about it, there is no more bread after that last supper. So His "body" is gone. If people say that the Spiritual Gifts died with the apostles, then so did Jesus' "body". They, the people in the room, ate it.
Metaphor. Parable. It all has something to do with the Jewish Feast that was going on at that time. Far from what some religions refer to it today.
I mean, Jesus said He was a "gate", a "vine" and a shephard. Can I bring my gate to church and say "here He is!" or bring a grape vine?
Jesus was showing us that HE is the Sacrificial Lamb. HE is to save His people in the Passover.
If you think about it, there is no more bread after that last supper. So His "body" is gone. If people say that the Spiritual Gifts died with the apostles, then so did Jesus' "body". They, the people in the room, ate it.
Metaphor. Parable. It all has something to do with the Jewish Feast that was going on at that time. Far from what some religions refer to it today.
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sorry kujo
I am not sure what you mean.
Besides, a spiritual gift given to the apostles which exists to this day is to feed the sheep. To feed the sheep the flesh of Jesus, transubstantiated thoguh prayer and the words of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit.
The catholic church thus depends heavily on the power and actions of the Holy Spirit of God and the real presence of Jesus.
I am not sure what you mean.
Besides, a spiritual gift given to the apostles which exists to this day is to feed the sheep. To feed the sheep the flesh of Jesus, transubstantiated thoguh prayer and the words of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit.
The catholic church thus depends heavily on the power and actions of the Holy Spirit of God and the real presence of Jesus.
DONT YOU KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD? DONT YOU KNOW THAT HIS FLESH IS THE WORD? DONT YOU KNOW THAT EATING HIS FLESH MEANS FEADING YOUR SELF WITH THE WORD? AND NOT WITH BREAD MADE BY MEN?
THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD AND WE NEED TO INDULGE OURSELVES IN THE WORD. PLEASE NOTE BROTHER.
''WAKEUP''.
THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD AND WE NEED TO INDULGE OURSELVES IN THE WORD. PLEASE NOTE BROTHER.
''WAKEUP''.
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Hi
According to John Jesus himself is the living Word. We need to feed on him and his flesh ("sarx" in Greek) and on his real presence not just on his rhema words.
In the catholic church we have two altars. One altar is for the word the other altar is to celabrate Jesus himself as our sacrifice and as the Word made flesh for us.
Jesus died only once but through recollecting his sacrifice we take part in its eternal nature.
Gid bless,
Hearer.
According to John Jesus himself is the living Word. We need to feed on him and his flesh ("sarx" in Greek) and on his real presence not just on his rhema words.
In the catholic church we have two altars. One altar is for the word the other altar is to celabrate Jesus himself as our sacrifice and as the Word made flesh for us.
Jesus died only once but through recollecting his sacrifice we take part in its eternal nature.
Gid bless,
Hearer.
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sir,
you fail to see we celbrate on two altars, the altar of the word (readings) and the altar of the Word (the presence of Jesus in the sacrifice).
Jesus was the living Word as well as gave us words from God.
You also do not take into account the incarnation, the fact that Jesus came and died in the flesh. That is why we have to consume his flesh.
Docetism is an old heresy that tries to spiritualize Christ and deny he came in the flesh. Which is why the eating of the flesh is so important.
Jesus did not want us merely spiritualizing what he was about. The word flesh is sombre and significant and central. He was not talking about words but his incarnate bloody sacrifice.
John 6 Jesus said...also the Bread that I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh (body).
2John1: 7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
you fail to see we celbrate on two altars, the altar of the word (readings) and the altar of the Word (the presence of Jesus in the sacrifice).
Jesus was the living Word as well as gave us words from God.
You also do not take into account the incarnation, the fact that Jesus came and died in the flesh. That is why we have to consume his flesh.
Docetism is an old heresy that tries to spiritualize Christ and deny he came in the flesh. Which is why the eating of the flesh is so important.
Jesus did not want us merely spiritualizing what he was about. The word flesh is sombre and significant and central. He was not talking about words but his incarnate bloody sacrifice.
John 6 Jesus said...also the Bread that I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh (body).
2John1: 7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
He said it was His Flesh. Do you think the one who hung the Earth upon the Heavens is bound by the dictates of time? If He decided to make His Flesh available to the disciples prior to the offering of that same Flesh on the Cross, He is certainly capable of doing so. And He said that what He was offering them was His Flesh. Why should we doubt His words?
Well, in contrast to the African tribes, we do have the word of Our Lord in the Scriptures telling us quite clearly that the bread "is my Body."
This of course perfectly parallels the Jewish Paschal feast where a spotless lamb was eaten. Jesus is the spotless lamb whose flesh must be eaten in fulfillment of the Paschal sacrifice.
This of course perfectly parallels the Jewish Paschal feast where a spotless lamb was eaten. Jesus is the spotless lamb whose flesh must be eaten in fulfillment of the Paschal sacrifice.
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No you did not respond to what I posted. You did what everyone else does and are just sticking to a few remote verses and ignoring the rest of the conversation.
Jesus said whoever eats will never hunger, never thirst. never die, Live forever./ be raised by him on the last day. So why do you not believe him? Why do you continually eat food which dies. when jesus said you can eat and never die?
Jesus said whoever eats will never hunger, never thirst. never die, Live forever./ be raised by him on the last day. So why do you not believe him? Why do you continually eat food which dies. when jesus said you can eat and never die?
"Take, Eat, this IS my body, which is broken for you."
Sure seems like we're supposed to eat His Body.
That said, the gate analogy doesn't really make sense here. In that instance, it's quite clear he was speaking figuratively. In the institution of the Eucharist, He's going out of His way to emphasize the literalness of His words.
Sure seems like we're supposed to eat His Body.
That said, the gate analogy doesn't really make sense here. In that instance, it's quite clear he was speaking figuratively. In the institution of the Eucharist, He's going out of His way to emphasize the literalness of His words.