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Whether it is possible or not is irrelevant. Your statement implies that the word of God only exists in English. That's hogwash.
Unsure what you're getting at here...
This is complete speculation.
Which automatically excludes the KJV.
More speculation. The bolded part is cultic and borderline heretical.
This is historically and logically self-refuting. It is ridiculous, unsupportable, speculative and cultic. I would call the bolded part heretical.
Unsure what you're getting at here...
This is complete speculation.
Which automatically excludes the KJV.
More speculation. The bolded part is cultic and borderline heretical.
This is historically and logically self-refuting. It is ridiculous, unsupportable, speculative and cultic. I would call the bolded part heretical.
If the NIV is a great version of the bible that brings people to the Lord Jesus Christ than in what sense is it not the Word of God? Who is the authority that decides whether or not a version or translation of the bible is not the Word of God? Perhaps it is a matter of preference or opinion but that in itself does not render the Word of God void. For the record I prefer the NKJV but that is my choice and I have also read many other versions of the bible. I'm sure that God knew beforehand what the modern translations and versions of the bible there would be and these versions that God knows are indeed inspired by the Holy Ghost by those who did the translating and scribing.
Double standards are becoming your stock-in-trade. Another name for that is hypocrisy.
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DiscipleDave
Did you mean "a grating version"? The NIV is one of the worst versions of the Bible. In fact, since it uses "dynamic equivalence" as its fundamental translational principle, it is really a paraphrase pretending to be a Bible. That said, God can use any translation -- no matter how bad -- to bring sinners to the Savior, but that is not really the issue. Since Phlippians 2:6,7 has been discussed, let's take a look at how poorly it was translated:
Phil 2:6 -- The KJV corresponds to the literal translation, but the NIV goes off on a tangent
ὃς ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ
Young's Literal Translation
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,
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Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage[/TD]
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King James Bible
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil 2:7 The KJV correctly states "made himself of no reputation" wheras the NIV misrepresents the text
ἀλλ' ἑαυτὸν ἐκένωσεν μορφὴν δούλου λαβών ἐν ὁμοιώματι ἀνθρώπων γενόμενος
Young's Literal Translation
but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made
New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men
Cognate: 2758 kenóō – properly, to empty out, render void; (passive) be emptied – hence, without recognition, perceived as valueless (Phil 2:7).
Phil 2:6 -- The KJV corresponds to the literal translation, but the NIV goes off on a tangent
ὃς ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ
Young's Literal Translation
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,
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[TD]New International Version
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage[/TD]
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King James Bible
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phil 2:7 The KJV correctly states "made himself of no reputation" wheras the NIV misrepresents the text
ἀλλ' ἑαυτὸν ἐκένωσεν μορφὴν δούλου λαβών ἐν ὁμοιώματι ἀνθρώπων γενόμενος
Young's Literal Translation
but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made
New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men
Cognate: 2758 kenóō – properly, to empty out, render void; (passive) be emptied – hence, without recognition, perceived as valueless (Phil 2:7).
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The Father, Jesus, Holy Ghost, and us, are ONE. In that aspect we are all ONE and equal, All the Same Body, ALL GOD. But Jesus Power comes from His Father. Jesus has Authority because His Father gave Him that authority. Jesus could do nothing apart from His Father, even as we can't do nothing apart from Christ. Peter healed people, not because that power came from Peter, but came from Jesus, which came from His Father who granted it.
The Father and Jesus are ONE. The difference is, the Father is above the Son. Jesus sits to the right of the Father on the Throne, because He is not the Father. If Jesus were to cease to exist, the Father would still be, But if the Father ceases to exist, nothing will be. The Power and Authority that Jesus has is ONLY because the Father gave it to Him.
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DiscipleDave
The Father and Jesus are ONE. The difference is, the Father is above the Son. Jesus sits to the right of the Father on the Throne, because He is not the Father. If Jesus were to cease to exist, the Father would still be, But if the Father ceases to exist, nothing will be. The Power and Authority that Jesus has is ONLY because the Father gave it to Him.
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DiscipleDave
Given that I made repeated efforts to point out the double standards used by KJV-only proponents, and get dodging, fallacies, tangents and inadequate excuses in response, I don't present the full explanation every time I point one out. Not once has any KJV-o demonstrated any acknowledgement, concern, or desire to learn what a double standard is, let alone how they employed it and why it is wrong. When someone actually recognizes that using them is hypocritical, and wants to change their ways, then I'll be happy to give a more detailed explanation.
So then what you are saying is the version that God chose for the English speaking people of the World to call His Word is inaccurate? Is that right?
i would agree, any version that is not completely accurate, is not the Word of God. The Word of God is TRUE, it is 100% accurate, ALL Scriptures are inspired by God, every single verse of it. Does God lie? So then if God creates an English version of the Bible that saved thousands of souls, and for over 400 years was called the Word of God, which during that 400 years, NOBODY questioned that it was the Word of God, Would He not make sure it was EXACTLY as He wanted it to say, because God knows that all His Children would be calling the KJV Bible the Word of God until His Son comes back? So then God made sure the KJV was EXACTLY as He wanted it to say, any Loving Father would do the same. Would a loving parent leave accurate instructions for their children or inaccurate instruction for their children? So it was time to get the Word of God into common peoples hands. And God did exactly that with the KJV. So then our Father left us accurate instructions via the KJV. And thousands of our Brothers and Sisters RIGHTLY called the KJV the WORD OF GOD. When did that change? It was only when satan convinced a group of people that the WORD OF GOD was inaccurate and needed to be fixed, by coming up with another version that is NOT the KJV. Are people so blind they can't understand this Truth?
The KJV was created by humans led by God. Version that are made in the last days create versions based on their own interpretations of what they think the Scriptures should say, and then call that version the Word of God.
God ordained the KJV. Men ordain other versions.
Amen, you are so right on that one.
True, and i agree with this 100%, But i also know there is only ONE Word of God, and that is the KJV.
The KJV was designed by God to weed out people who did not have a True desire to learn his word. Those who pick it for the first time and try to read it, only to put it down never to read it again because it is to confusing, does not have a True desire to learn His Word, now do they? But someone who will pick it for the first time and try to read it, and it is confusing, but continues to pick it up again and again and again even though they are totally confused, is when the Holy Ghost will open up that person understanding of the Word of God. Before i was 12 i read the Bible 3 times, and it was the most confusing book that i have ever read, this says you can, but this says you can't, contradictions galore. But crying to God for Him to again help me to understand, i told Him i would continue to read it until i understood it. It was the fourth time reading the Bible that God decided "Now this is a person who desires to learn my Word" and the Scriptures were opened up to me, and they became alive. You could not wipe a smile off my face for two solid weeks, my face muscles were extremely sore, from smiling from the time i got up till i went to bed for two weeks. The KJV is not suppose to be easy, God made it the way it is because it is PERFECT, it is designed to weed out those who do not TRULY want to learn His Word. But leave it to the last days generation to try to bypass a step that God had put in place over 400 years ago. Trying to come to understanding of the Scriptures based on what a group of men interpret the Bible to mean. Deceived they are.
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DiscipleDave
i would agree, any version that is not completely accurate, is not the Word of God. The Word of God is TRUE, it is 100% accurate, ALL Scriptures are inspired by God, every single verse of it. Does God lie? So then if God creates an English version of the Bible that saved thousands of souls, and for over 400 years was called the Word of God, which during that 400 years, NOBODY questioned that it was the Word of God, Would He not make sure it was EXACTLY as He wanted it to say, because God knows that all His Children would be calling the KJV Bible the Word of God until His Son comes back? So then God made sure the KJV was EXACTLY as He wanted it to say, any Loving Father would do the same. Would a loving parent leave accurate instructions for their children or inaccurate instruction for their children? So it was time to get the Word of God into common peoples hands. And God did exactly that with the KJV. So then our Father left us accurate instructions via the KJV. And thousands of our Brothers and Sisters RIGHTLY called the KJV the WORD OF GOD. When did that change? It was only when satan convinced a group of people that the WORD OF GOD was inaccurate and needed to be fixed, by coming up with another version that is NOT the KJV. Are people so blind they can't understand this Truth?
The KJV was created by humans led by God. Version that are made in the last days create versions based on their own interpretations of what they think the Scriptures should say, and then call that version the Word of God.
God ordained the KJV. Men ordain other versions.
Amen, you are so right on that one.
True, and i agree with this 100%, But i also know there is only ONE Word of God, and that is the KJV.
The KJV was designed by God to weed out people who did not have a True desire to learn his word. Those who pick it for the first time and try to read it, only to put it down never to read it again because it is to confusing, does not have a True desire to learn His Word, now do they? But someone who will pick it for the first time and try to read it, and it is confusing, but continues to pick it up again and again and again even though they are totally confused, is when the Holy Ghost will open up that person understanding of the Word of God. Before i was 12 i read the Bible 3 times, and it was the most confusing book that i have ever read, this says you can, but this says you can't, contradictions galore. But crying to God for Him to again help me to understand, i told Him i would continue to read it until i understood it. It was the fourth time reading the Bible that God decided "Now this is a person who desires to learn my Word" and the Scriptures were opened up to me, and they became alive. You could not wipe a smile off my face for two solid weeks, my face muscles were extremely sore, from smiling from the time i got up till i went to bed for two weeks. The KJV is not suppose to be easy, God made it the way it is because it is PERFECT, it is designed to weed out those who do not TRULY want to learn His Word. But leave it to the last days generation to try to bypass a step that God had put in place over 400 years ago. Trying to come to understanding of the Scriptures based on what a group of men interpret the Bible to mean. Deceived they are.
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DiscipleDave
Tell me if this is possible:
Is it possible that God made sure the KJV was written in English EXACTLY as He wanted it to be written, knowing it was going to be His Word till His Son returns to the Earth?
Now if English Language is the dominating language of the World, Would He not choose the dominating language of the World to make His version of the Word of God? Sure He would that only makes since. So then When God decided to make a version of His Word to last until His Son came back, it was the KJV.
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DiscipleDave
Is it possible that God made sure the KJV was written in English EXACTLY as He wanted it to be written, knowing it was going to be His Word till His Son returns to the Earth? And it is only humans interpretations (going to the Hebrew/Greek or what have you) that is in error? NOT POSSIBLE? Really?
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DiscipleDave
The KJV and what it says in ENGLISH, is what GOD wants all English speaking people to believe. God does not, nor ever did expect or want a child of His to try to interpret HIS Word, by going to the Original documents to try to gain understanding of His Word. Know you not, that if God wanted the Original versions to be His Word, they would be used today and be His Word of God. There would be no KJV at all, if God wanted us to study and read the originals?
God wanted a version that would be simple to read (english)
And God made sure that the english Bible that HE wanted, was going to be EXACTLY as He wanted it to read (REGARDLESS what the original texts said) His version would last until the return of His Son Jesus Christ. What the KJV says is EXACTLY what God wanted it to say. It is His Word.
1) Hebrew speaking people
2) Greek speaking people
3) English speaking people
So then if the original texts were written for the Hebrew and Greek speaking people, why would you think the Hebrew/Greek texts are suppose to be for the English speaking people?
Hebrew and Greek was given by God to the the Hebrew and Greek people.
The KJV is given by God to the English speaking people of the World.
Simple, even children could grasp this understanding.
So then why do English speaking people seek texts that God wrote to the Hebrew and Greek people? Because satan has blinded them to believe that they are more accurate then the English Version that God gave us english speaking people. huhhhh?
Know you not that if the Original was what God wanted, He would not have replaced them with the KJV. The KJV REPLACED the original documents. But leave it to this wicked generation to act as if the originals are the authority concerning the Word of God, when God replaced them with the KJV. Children can understand this logic. But leave it to the learned to confound that which is simple. The KJV is the Word of God. God replaced the originals by coming up with the KJV. sigh.. .. .
Love you Brother, i really do.
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DiscipleDave
English may be the most widely spoken language in the world TODAY. But most people in the world didn't speak English in 1611. So by your questionable logic, God chose to use an archaic form of a language that the majority of the world struggle to comprehend.
Including a substantial portion of KJVO proponents who are using it to promote fallacies.
The NIV is a great version of the Bible that can indeed bring people to the Lord Jesus Christ. That said. The NIV is not the Word of God.
If i and 20 people come together and decide to interpret the Bible ourselves and we 21 people come up with another version of the Bible called 22CV (22 Century Version) based on our interpretation, is that version the Word of God?
The Word of God are words from God. The KJV was written to the English speaking people of the world EXACTLY as God wanted it to be written because His Name is ON IT. God would never allow a version that is inaccurate or incorrect to come to be for His children. Hence the reason we don't have the earlier English Bibles prior to the KJV Bible, Because God was not satisfied with them, but He was with the KJV, and therefore ordained that version to be His Word, We know this is TRUE, because it is His Word for over 400 years now, and it will continue to be His Word until Jesus Christ comes back to take up the Church and the Word is no longer needed on Earth. The Saints will know ALL.
i would hope common since. For over 400 years the KJV is the Word of God, this has always been the TRUTH, and is even now still the case. But leave it to the last days generation to call OTHER versions that men came up with via their own interpretations and call that version the Word of God.
So then we live in a generation that calls one version the Word of God, and yet others call their versions the Word of God, and then the KJVOnlies calling their version the Word of God. Yet they all differ one from another. What? Does the Word of God contradict its own self? Should one Word of God be contrary to another Word of God? All can't possible be the TRUTH now can it?
i think the NIV is a pretty Good version of the Bible, i really do, but i know the TRUTH. The NIV was ordained by men. Men came together and deemed that the Word of God for the past 400 years needs to updated, fixed, repaired, or even replaced. The NIV came about by a group of people with good intentions to try to help people to understand THEIR point of view, their interpretations, what THEY think the Bible should say AND MEAN. And that is the TRUTH. That version is NOT the Word of God, it a version of those particular group of people.
Here is an example. The Declaration of Independence is THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. If me and a group of people decided that it needed to be corrected, updated, or said in a way that is easier to understand, and my group comes up with a version of the Declaration of Independence, is it the Declaration of Independence? Or is it merely my groups interpretation of the Declaration of Independence?
The KJV has always been the Word of God to the English speaking people of the World for the last 400 years, Now a group of people get together and decide the KJV is outdated, needs to be updated or corrected, or whatever. And this group comes up with a version based on that groups interpretations of what they think each verse should say and mean. OK that is fine and dandy. The problem is when people start calling that version the Word of God.
So then a person runs across a verse in their version that is contrary to the KJV. What do you think they are going to choose to believe? They are most certainly going to choose the verse that they think is the actual Word of God are they not? So then if a person believes their version the Word of God, it does not matter what other version say, does it? Because their version is the Word of God. Therefore believing that, they have effectively made the TRUE Word of God to be void.
The KJV is the Word of God it has been for over 400 years, and it will be until Christ comes. Other versions are NOT the Word of God, but are interpretations by people what they think the Word of God says and means.
What renders the Word of God VOID, is when people will believe one verse in their version and not the verse in the KJV, which is and always has been The Word of God.
lol. God had no part in all the confusion that exists today because of different denominations and versions of the Bible. God is NOT it that thing.
For 400 years there was NO confusion at all. That is of God. For 400 years our Brothers and Sisters have called the KJV the Word of God, it is only today, as a direct result of OTHER versions, that the KJV is no longer considered the Word of God, and that is NOT of God. satan is the Father of confusion. All these different versions have done nothing but cause more confusion and even worse, DIVISION among us. We have hundreds of different denomination, which cause nothing but DIVISION, we have many different versions of the Bible, and everyone calling their version the Word of God, which causes nothing but DIVISION. Try having a Bible study in a group today and see if it does not end up in argueing over whose version is the most correct, or the best. CONFUSION.
1Co_11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
Rom_15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co_13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Php_2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
1Pe_3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
1Co_1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
We, as a body of Christ, are so divided it is absolutely pathetic. Different denominations, Different Versions of the Bible, Different Word of God, different doctrines, Different interpretations. Let us just agree to disagree and never come to ONE MIND. satan is brilliant as what he does. For 400 years there was only ONE Word of God, no confusion about that whatsoever, but now he has totally annihilated that. Now there are many different Word of Gods.
The KJV is the Word of God.
Other versions are NOT. Not saying that OTHER versions are, evil, wicked, bad or good, only saying the TRUTH, they are NOT the Word of God. They are indeed the words of a group of people who have wrote down their interpretations of what they think the Bible should say and mean.
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DiscipleDave
Is it not written that Jesus is the Son of God the Father?
Is it not written that Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son?
Jesus was made by His Father. That is the TRUTH, and is not an abomination.
Who sent His ONLY SON to the Earth to be a sacrifice for us? God the Father sent His Son. Why does God call Jesus His Son? Because God created Him. God the Father created only two things. The Father created the Son (Jesus Christ) and His second-born (The Holy Spirit). Jesus and the Holy Ghost created all things that are made thereafter.
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DiscipleDave
What is it to me, if you think it is Heretical. i do all things to please Jesus Christ, it is only to Him that i will stand before on Judgment Day, and not you. Thank you for that Jesus, i would have already been stoned to death.
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DiscipleDave
The NIV is a great version of the Bible...
And yet that version of the Bible (Other than the KJV) has brought more people to the Lord? That is the reason it is a great OTHER version.
That is the issue that i have been discussing.
Sorry, don't care to know or understand how badly a OTHER version of the Bible is or isn't. Don't care.
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DiscipleDave
Curious about this. How do you determine something is Heretical? Because it was contrary to what YOU think or what Scriptures teach? Please tell.
And if you base what is Heretical on Scriptures, then surely if you accuse me of saying something Heretical you can show the Scriptures to back up such an accusation, else how is it not falsely accusing a Brother of the Lord?
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DiscipleDave
And if you base what is Heretical on Scriptures, then surely if you accuse me of saying something Heretical you can show the Scriptures to back up such an accusation, else how is it not falsely accusing a Brother of the Lord?
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DiscipleDave
Really? Even a child can comprehend this:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16,17).
There may be a couple of dozen genuine archaisms in the Authorized Version (easily understood by referring to a Strong's Concordance), but there is no need to promote the myth that the King James Bible is "archaic". It has been the Bible of English-speaking Christians for over 400 years, and always remains as fresh as only the Word of God can remain.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:16,17).
There may be a couple of dozen genuine archaisms in the Authorized Version (easily understood by referring to a Strong's Concordance), but there is no need to promote the myth that the King James Bible is "archaic". It has been the Bible of English-speaking Christians for over 400 years, and always remains as fresh as only the Word of God can remain.