The King James Bible

[preacher4truth]

This is how exegesis is done? Thank you.

Learned here implies experiencing, it is not coming to knowledge. But I digress, he's in such deep heresy it will take the hand of the true God to rescue him.

Here is Gill on the matter:

yet learned he obedience; not to his parents, or civil magistrates, though that is true; nor merely to the precepts of the law, which he did; but unto death: through sufferings he became obedient to death, even the death of the cross: and this he learnt; not that he was ignorant of the nature of it; nor was he destitute of an obedient disposition to it; but the meaning is, he had an experience of it, and effected it; and which was voluntary, and done in our room and stead; and is the rule and the measure of our righteousness before God.

 

[James37]

Posthuman, you forgot about the definite article "the"


1. Exodus 12:11 "LORD's passover"
2. Exodus 12:27 "LORD's passover"
3. Leviticus 23:5 "LORD's passover"
4. 2 Kings 23:22 "a passover"
5. 2 Kings 23:23 "this passover"
6. 2 Chronicles 30:17 "passovers"
7. 2 Chronicles 35:9 "for passover"
8. 2 Chronicles 35:18 "no passover" and "a passover"
9. 2 Chronicles 35:19 "this passover"


46 - 9 = 37


So the phrase "the passover" is found 37 in verses in the Old Testament

 

[Laish]

I think he is extremely entertaining. He has some good sermons.

I like his rants where he kicks the table he is preaching on. Awesome.

I guess a broken clock can be right twice a day .
I still would not attach awesome to that guy . From his prayer that President Obama would die . To his statement that the Orlando shooting was a good thing . Because it took 50 homosexuals out . His practices of targeting locals and going to schools and telling the kids they are whores note kids age 13 to 17 and such is just a taste of this guy bad news .
Blessings
Bill

 

[trofimus]

Posthuman, you forgot about the definite article "the"


1. Exodus 12:11 "LORD's passover"
2. Exodus 12:27 "LORD's passover"
3. Leviticus 23:5 "LORD's passover"
4. 2 Kings 23:22 "a passover"
5. 2 Kings 23:23 "this passover"
6. 2 Chronicles 30:17 "passovers"
7. 2 Chronicles 35:9 "for passover"
8. 2 Chronicles 35:18 "no passover" and "a passover"
9. 2 Chronicles 35:19 "this passover"


46 - 9 = 37


So the phrase "the passover" is found 37 in verses in the Old Testament

Whats the difference between "this" and "the" in English? I thought is roughly the same thing - a definite designation.

 

[James37]

Whats the difference between "this" and "the" in English? I thought is roughly the same thing - a definite designation.

The phrase "this passover" in 2 Chronicles 35:19 is refering to the passover that is mentioned 2 Chronicles 35:18

 

[James37]

i don't trust your software at all.

1. Genesis 9:17
2. Genesis 41:32
3. Exodus 6:4
4. Exodus 15:17
5. Leviticus 25:30
6. Deuteronomy 19:15
7. Deuteronomy 32:6
8. 1 Samuel 3:20
9. 1 Samuel 13:13
10. 1 Samuel 20:31
11. 1 Samuel 24:20
12. 2 Samuel 5:12
13. 2 Samuel 7:16
14. 2 Samuel 7:26
15. 1 Kings 2:12
16. 1 Kings 2:24
17. 1 Kings 2:45
18. 1 Kings 2:46
19. 1 Chronicles 17:14
20. 1 Chronicles 17:23
21. 1 Chronicles 17:24
22. 2 Chronicles 1:9
23. 2 Chronicles 12:1
24. 2 Chronicles 20:20
25. 2 Chronicles 25:3
26. 2 Chronicles 30:5
27. Job 21:8
28. Job 22:28
29. Psalm 24:2
30. Psalm 40:2
31. Psalm 78:5
32. Psalm 78:69
33. Psalm 89:21
34. Psalm 89:37
35. Psalm 93:2
36. Psalm 96:10
37. Psalm 102:28
38. Psalm 112:8
39. Psalm 119:90
40. Psalm 140:11
41. Proverbs 3:19
42. Proverbs 4:26
43. Proverbs 8:28
44. Proverbs 12:3
45. Proverbs 12:19
46. Proverbs 15:22
47. Proverbs 16:3
48. Proverbs 16:12
49. Proverbs 20:18
50. Proverbs 24:3
51. Proverbs 25:5
52. Proverbs 29:14
53. Proverbs 30:4
54. Isaiah 2:2
55. Isaiah 7:9
56. Isaiah 16:5
57. Isaiah 45:18
58. Isaiah 54:14
59. Jeremiah 10:12
60. Jeremiah 30:20
61. Jeremiah 51:15
62. Daniel 4:36
63. Micah 4:1
64. Habakkuk 1:12
65. Zechariah 5:11
66. Matthew 18:16
67. Acts 16:5
68. Romans 1:11
69. 2 Corinthians 13:1
70. Hebrews 8:6
71. Hebrews 13:9
72. 2 Peter 1:12

The word "established" is found twice in the same verse in 2 Samuel 7:16 and 1 Chronicles 17:24. So it is found 74 times in 72 verses in the King James Bible. This is simple math posthuman.

 

[John146]

Yet this is exactly what you do indirectly, by claiming that the KJV is God's perfect word, and that all others are corruptions.

As with so many errors of understanding, the problem is not with the direct statement, but with the implications of the statement.

The gospel of Jesus Christ can be explained by using other words. I know that. Some KJV people do not believe this, but I do. I'm defending that the exact words of all God's truth can be found in the KJV, not just explanations of that truth. My explanation of the gospel would not be considered Scripture.

 

[trofimus]

I'm defending that the exact words of all God's truth can be found in the KJV,

But your defending has no basis in truth/reality.

You use some arguments, but these arguments can be used about various other translations as well.

 

[Dino246]

The gospel of Jesus Christ can be explained by using other words. I know that. Some KJV people do not believe this, but I do. I'm defending that the exact words of all God's truth can be found in the KJV, not just explanations of that truth. My explanation of the gospel would not be considered Scripture.

Is the word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians 14:2 and 4 one of the "exact words of all God's truth"?

I'll give you a freebie: this is a trick question.

 

[James37]

I live in the four corners area of the United States. Notice that the borders of Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico form a cross. At one time there was a highway that ran up this "cross" as a serpent. It was US 666 aka the devils highway until the name was eventually changed to US 491. As you probably know 666 = 37 x 18. It just so happens that the Arizona Utah border and the New Mexico Colorado border lies right on the 37th parallel. When I was a child I remember seeing the 666 signs and wondered why the would name the highway after such a sinister number. Anyways here are some things to consider.


Jesus = 888 (37 x 24) in Greek gematria; 444 (37 x 12) in English gematria; 74 (37 x 2) simple English gematria

“crucified” = 37 times in the KJB

“the passover” = 37 verses in the Old Testament

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:" (John 3:14)

“lifted up” = 137 times in the KJB (137 is the 33rd prime)

“lift up” or “lifted up” = 222 (37 x 6) times in the Old Testament/

(1 Corinthians 11:25) "After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me." (37 x 29th or 1073rd chapter of the Bible)

“the cup” = 37 times in the KJB

“wine” = 37 times in the New Testament

“And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.” (Mark 2:22 and 222 = 37 x 6; think about it! 137 x 7th chapter of the Bible.

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. (Luke 5:37) are you an “old bottle”

“Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.” (Genesis 4:8) (1st occurrence)

“And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.” (Matthew 21:39)

“slew him” = 37 times in the KJB

“And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.” (Matthew 20:19; 73 x 13 chapter of the Bible)

“shall rise” = 37 times in the KJB

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16)

“churches” = 37th and final occurrence of this word in the King James Bible


Some of you are literally about to burst! This book is right!

I need to correct the statement that the phrases "lift up" or "lifted up" are found 222 times. The correct statement would be all forms of the word "lift" when used with "up" occur 222 times in the Old Testament.

lift, lifted, lifting, lifteth, lifter, and liftest

God's word is perfect, not me.

 

[posthuman]

This is a King James Version thread. I'm defending the KJV. It exposes me as a true Bible believer.

what a strange forum we have.

i was just reading another thread where it is being suggested that the litmus test for being a "true believer" is going to church on saturdays, and pretending that is keeping the sabbath.

then it was brought up that the litmus test for being a "true believer" is believing in the godhood of Jesus Christ.

now i read that the litmus test for being a "true believer" is holding king James's English translation as the perfect and pure words of God, to the exclusion of any other, even to the exclusion of the text it was originally translated from.



i am much more inclined to believe the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] pivotal point is crucial, and the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] and 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] are spurious, and i believe i can support this from scripture. but who listens to reasoning?

 

[John146]

Is the word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians 14:2 and 4 one of the "exact words of all God's truth"?

I'll give you a freebie: this is a trick question.

For the English language? Absolutely!

 

[posthuman]

If you want to start a thread on exalting the Savior, I'd be happy to post.

could all the threads do this please?

 

[John146]

what a strange forum we have.

i was just reading another thread where it is being suggested that the litmus test for being a "true believer" is going to church on saturdays, and pretending that is keeping the sabbath.

then it was brought up that the litmus test for being a "true believer" is believing in the godhood of Jesus Christ.

now i read that the litmus test for being a "true believer" is holding king James's English translation as the perfect and pure words of God, to the exclusion of any other, even to the exclusion of the text it was originally translated from.



i am much more inclined to believe the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] pivotal point is crucial, and the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] and 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] are spurious, and i believe i can support this from scripture. but who listens to reasoning?

That statement was in response to what preacher4truth had said. Btw, I did not say a "true believer" but a true Bible believer. Big difference.

 

[posthuman]

There are three examples of translations in the Bible. Enoch, Saul's kingdom to David's and the rapture. In each case, the translation was better than the original.

how about Ezra chapter 4, which actually concerns translation of text from one language to another, instead of taking things way out of context and making such liberal use of the word 'translate' ?
((oddly no one in Ezra 4 seems to have viewed the Persian version of the Aramaic original in a cultic fashion - or maybe the Spirit saw fit simply not to record that behavior))

or how about the tower of Babel??
i have been to highly suspect that a lot of the brethren have totally forgotten this fact of history.

 

[trofimus]

For the English language? Absolutely!

Any proof or evidence for this?

So far its just your opinion, it is, because you say it is, because you want it to be... but do you have any objective and verifiable basis for this claim?

How can we verify that "unknown" belongs there.

 

[posthuman]

Yes, it is amazing how short we sell God's power by claiming He cannot get His message to the world except through a particular book published in 1611.

even though these people don't use ((at least never quote)) the 1611 version.

 

[John146]

how about Ezra chapter 4, which actually concerns translation of text from one language to another, instead of taking things way out of context and making such liberal use of the word 'translate' ?
((oddly no one in Ezra 4 seems to have viewed the Persian version of the Aramaic original in a cultic fashion - or maybe the Spirit saw fit simply not to record that behavior))

or how about the tower of Babel??
i have been to highly suspect that a lot of the brethren have totally forgotten this fact of history.

Yes, there are many examples where language translations have occurred in the "originals."

I was meaning the actual word translate.

2 Samuel 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

I was just stating that the biblical principle of translating is what has been translated is better than the original.

 

[posthuman]

I think he is extremely entertaining. He has some good sermons.

I like his rants where he kicks the table he is preaching on. Awesome.

i often listen to a teacher who advises his listeners to throw chairs at preachers who start saying things like "KJV only" among a number of other unsupportable, deceitful, foolish and/or blasphemous things. throw chairs, make sure you've got your wallet secured, and run, he advises.

i laugh - "what do we call that?" he asks about various heretical nonsense? "that's right, 'stupid'"

 

[Snoozy]

i often listen to a teacher who advises his listeners to throw chairs at preachers who start saying things like "KJV only" among a number of other unsupportable, deceitful, foolish and/or blasphemous things. throw chairs, make sure you've got your wallet secured, and run, he advises.

i laugh - "what do we call that?" he asks about various heretical nonsense? "that's right, 'stupid'"

who is this teacher, seems like a fun guy hahahaha