The King James Only Debate

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree and I'm sure he did translate his word in all languages.

where are they?

 

[Dan_473]

If God was going to do this, He would do it for ALL languages, Not just one.

And the english bible would be about twice as large (if properly interpreted completely from the greek)

THE ACTS 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,
THE ACTS 10:35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

THE ACTS 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,
THE ACTS 10:35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

You know what I like. at Pentecost, God had people talk to people in their native language (sadly called speaking in tongues)

 

[Dan_473]

I agree and I'm sure he did translate his word in all languages.

an interesting thought, but not true.

for example, most north American tribes didn't have a written language until recently... so no written word of God for them.

 

[notuptome]

I think I see where your coming from. You believe that the inerrant word of God is only found in the originals and any bible that comes after the originals is not really the word of God, it's only a copy and God chose not to give the rest of the world an inerrant bible.

Why was it necessary for the readers of the originals to have an inerrant bible but no one else really needs an inerrant bible?

You've accused me of using red herrings, which in plain English means that you are accusing me of misleading or distracting someone from the truth. So I want you to prove that that's really true... What is the difference between the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit?

Actually the inerrancy of the word of God is through the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost if you prefer. Anything that man has touched is contaminated by sin. So errors in the word of God written down by the scribes would be subject to mistakes because they were sinners just like you and me.

Why do you insist on a cultist mindset? Why elevate the KJV above all others and in fact exclude the merits of all other versions? Why do you force such a paradox on Gods word? Will you allow for some one to get saved by hearing a version of the bible that is not KJV? Is a version other than the KJV able to nourish a soul seeking to grow in the admonition and nurture of the Lord?

Since God is not the author of confusion, strife and discord where are the merits in arguing over different versions with this level of dogmatic fervor?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[hornetguy]

I don't know about adding verses, but there is absolutely no doubt that KJV translators changed words, added words, and translated the same words differently in various places. And the KJV is in no way a direct translation from the original manuscripts.

The question is why. Were they incompetent, were they trying to mislead or did God direct them in their actions.

That is a fair assessment of the KJV, I think.

But... your question could be asked of any of the seriously undertaken, more modern translations today. I firmly believe that God (when asked) provides guidance in the translating of scripture... and THAT is where the "inerrancy" of scripture comes from... NOT from believing that every word, punctuation mark, jot and tittle is EXACTLY the way the original writers put it on paper.

I don't believe that God worries about whether it was 70 or 72 folks crossing a desert, or any of the other myriad "discrepancies" that both pro and anti KJV-only folks have dug up.

Does anyone really believe that God wants us to be spending our time here on earth trying to prove who has the "rightest" version of (cue the deep bass voice) "THE WORD OF GOD"? (and I know "rightest" isn't a word...but it fits this discussion)

I believe God has preserved His word in many different translations, because the message He intended us to have is there... in ALL of them.

If there are any questions, or confusions, people do exactly what the KJV-only folks insist on.... they STUDY... multiple translations, commentaries, Greek, Hebrew.... and God/Spirit provides the understanding.

That's in no way different than having to study other texts to understand "olde English"...

I think this silliness has gone on long enough... but that's just me, I suppose.

 

[John146]

I don't believe that God worries about whether it was 70 or 72 folks crossing a desert, or any of the other myriad "discrepancies" that both pro and anti KJV-only folks have dug up.

So you don't think God is concerned if His word is 100% accurate? It's His word! Every word of God is pure, holy and trustworthy. Remember, the Bible is not just a doctrinal book, but a historical book as well. Every fact needs to be true or it ceases to be worthy to be called the word of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you don't think God is concerned if His word is 100% accurate? It's His word! Every word of God is pure, holy and trustworthy. Remember, the Bible is not just a doctrinal book, but a historical book as well. Every fact needs to be true or it ceases to be worthy to be called the word of God.

Again, Using this line of thinking, No English bible would fit, all would have to be rejected

 

[Dan_473]

Paul wrote a letter to the Laodiceans.

the kjv is missing this letter, therefore it is imperfect.

COLOSSIANS 4:16 And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

 

[trofimus]

So you don't think God is concerned if His word is 100% accurate? It's His word! Every word of God is pure, holy and trustworthy. Remember, the Bible is not just a doctrinal book, but a historical book as well. Every fact needs to be true or it ceases to be worthy to be called the word of God.

Again, it depends what you mean by 100% accurate.

If some scribe added "Lord" to some verses talking about Jesus, is it 100% accurate?

Do you mean the message or words or what exactly?

What if new, critical editions of the Greek texts are more accurate than Textus Receptus, even though you dont like they omit some words and verses? Will you propagate them because they are more accurate or will you stick with your English KJV tradition?

 

[John146]

Again, Using this line of thinking, No English bible would fit, all would have to be rejected

I'm sorry you feel that way towards God word. I'm so thankful I can trust every word of my Bible.

Again, that is the debate. Do we have the word of truth or don't we?

 

[John146]

Paul wrote a letter to the Laodiceans.

the kjv is missing this letter, therefore it is imperfect.

COLOSSIANS 4:16 And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

If God wanted it in His word, we would have it. This line of thought says our Bible is incomplete.

 

[KJV1611]

These arguments are getting old... I'm tired of talking about this version has been tried this 6.5 times or 7 times and LXX say blah blah blah etc. Are any of you interested in studying bible verses and see how the stories line up between versions?

 

[trofimus]

These arguments are getting old... I'm tired of talking about this version has been tried this 6.5 times or 7 times and LXX say blah blah blah etc. Are any of you interested in studying bible verses and see how the stories line up between versions?

KJV is getting old... Im tired of talking about this version has been tried, this version says blah blah blah. Are any of you interested in studying bible verses and see how the stories do not line up in this version?

Sorry, I could not help myself

 

[John146]

KJV is getting old... Im tired of talking about this version has been tried, this version says blah blah blah. Are any of you interested in studying bible verses and see how the stories do not line up in this version?

Sorry, I could not help myself

What's the truth found in the following verse:

2 Samuel 21:19
KJV - And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

ESV - And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

NASB - There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Who killed who?

 

[KJV1611]

KJV is getting old... Im tired of talking about this version has been tried, this version says blah blah blah. Are any of you interested in studying bible verses and see how the stories do not line up in this version?

Sorry, I could not help myself

I meant it both ways lol.

 

[hornetguy]

So you don't think God is concerned if His word is 100% accurate? It's His word! Every word of God is pure, holy and trustworthy. Remember, the Bible is not just a doctrinal book, but a historical book as well. Every fact needs to be true or it ceases to be worthy to be called the word of God.

To be honest... no, I don't believe God worries about YOUR idea of "accuracy"...

I have tried to explain what I believe inerrancy means..

 

[hornetguy]

What's the truth found in the following verse:

2 Samuel 21:19
KJV - And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

ESV - And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

NASB - There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Who killed who?

because, you know, if you don't know for SURE who killed Goliath, then you have ZERO chance for salvation...

Don't you realize how silly and trivial your belief system is, if that is a deal breaker for you?

 

[John146]

because, you know, if you don't know for SURE who killed Goliath, then you have ZERO chance for salvation...

Don't you realize how silly and trivial your belief system is, if that is a deal breaker for you?

It's all about trustworthiness. If the book you get the gospel out of is not trustworthy to begin with, how can you trust the gospel to be true?

 

[trofimus]

What's the truth found in the following verse:

2 Samuel 21:19
KJV - And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

ESV - And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

NASB - There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

Who killed who?

I do not know what "slew" is, but I suppose you are talking more about Goliath vs the brother of Goliath.

What is your question? Which text is the original one? Well, we would have to look at the ancient manuscripts to see what was in them and then find out if or when the word "brother" appeared in the text.

This cannot be done simply by comparing two English translations.