The Law Debacle Resolved

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is not twisting scripture as...................


Tell me how a person can transgress the law when they are walking in :

Love, self-control, kindness, longsuffering, joy, peace, goodness, gentleness, and faithfulness !!!

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According to me they can't. According to you by working on Saturdays.

 

[KennethC]

The whole context of Galatians is those who are seeking justification by the law in order to be saved. They had fallen victim to the doctrine of the pharisees that Acts 15 addressed and rebuked.

I have a plea and that is would you please stop bringing up Acts 15 to go along with Galatians, as those in Acts 15 was part of the whole group that came together and agreed by the Holy Spirit's guidance after discussion on rather the "written ordinances of the Mosaic law is to be upheld by Gentile believers."

They all in Acts 15:20,29 came to an agreement (including the Apostles) that only a few were to still be followed !!!

 

[KennethC]

According to me they can't. According to you by working on Saturdays.

I have never said that about working on Saturdays, please do not make up lies about me !!!

You say they can't which is true as those things will not cause one to transgress, as you are now going against your previous statement where you said that by me saying walking in the fruit of the Spirit will not transgress is twisting scripture. Now your agreeing that a person can't transgress when walking in the fruit, which one is it because you have said both ???

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I have a plea and that is would you please stop bringing up Acts 15 to go along with Galatians, as those in Acts 15 was part of the whole group that came together and agreed by the Holy Spirit's guidance after discussion on rather the "written ordinances of the Mosaic law is to be upheld by Gentile believers."

They all in Acts 15:20,29 came to an agreement (including the Apostles) that only a few were to still be followed !!!

Kenneth, I have a plea that you repent and quit opposing the witness of scripture. The Galatians were laboring under a false doctrine that was directly and clearly addressed by the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. Verses 20 & 29 prove that gentiles were not followers of the 10 commandments.

 

[Shoshanah]

According to me they can't. According to you by working on Saturdays.

I don't understand. What do you mean?

 

[Grandpa]

You are right we can't do both which is why the Apostle James (James 1:14-16) shows that when we sin it is because we have been drawn away by our own lusts and desires. This is why we must return to the Lord by confessing and continue walking in the Light to have our sin forgiven by being covered by His blood. (1 John 1:7-2:2)

And again I am not trying to be righteous by my own works, please stop with that faulty accusation............

There is a "BIG" difference in walking in His righteousness (Spirit/Fruit) and our own righteousness !!!

Faith in Jesus Christ is not an inactive faith as Jesus Himself said those who believe in Him:

a) Come to Him

b) Hear what He said

c) Does what He said

So what is the difference in walking in Righteousness and walking in your own righteousness???

 

[Shoshanah]

I have never said that about working on Saturdays, please do not make up lies about me !!!

You say they can't which is true as those things will not cause one to transgress, as you are now going against your previous statement where you said that by me saying walking in the fruit of the Spirit will not transgress is twisting scripture. Now your agreeing that a person can't transgress when walking in the fruit, which one is it because you have said both ???

Saturdays are a pope's calendar, named after the god Saturn. This day cannot be a sabbath day in relation. Or can it be? Confusion sets in a this point. ???????????

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I have never said that about working on Saturdays, please do not make up lies about me !!!

You say they can't which is true as those things will not cause one to transgress, as you are now going against your previous statement where you said that by me saying walking in the fruit of the Spirit will not transgress is twisting scripture. Now your agreeing that a person can't transgress when walking in the fruit, which one is it because you have said both ???

You're just trying to twist things around as you always do. Scripture says walking in the spirit produces fruit against which no law can bring a charge of disobedience. You said walking in the fruit causes one to not break the law. Complete twisting of scripture and nonsense.

 

[Utah]

Nobody is saying that, but at the same time God's saving grace does not allow for people to continue to live deliberate sinful lifestyles. Not saying you are like this, but any teaching that makes excuses for sin to continue in our lives is not of the faith in Jesus.

Jude 1:4 clearly shows that false teachers crept in long ago teaching this allowing of lewdness to continue, and says such are already marked for condemnation.

You are indeed saying that, my friend. I see no one here advocating the deliberate pursuit of living sinful lifestyles. What I do see here are folks rejoicing in God's saving grace in Jesus Christ, and ever trying to strengthen our relationship with God in Jesus, yet knowing full well that we will always sin on this side of Heaven.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't understand. What do you mean?

The fruit of the spirit is the ultimate purpose of the law. Nothing can bring a charge against these fruits, even the letters of the 10 commandments.

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth, I have a plea that you repent and quit opposing the witness of scripture. The Galatians were laboring under a false doctrine that was directly and clearly addressed by the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. Verses 20 & 29 prove that gentiles were not followers of the 10 commandments.

I am not opposing scripture as you are only taking part of the picture instead of using the whole, as those in Acts 15 were among the group that came together in discussion and came to an agreement in Acts 15:20,29.

Those in the book of Galatians that lead these people astray obviously where not part of that group as they continued to teach justification by written ordinance law keeping.

So obviously these can not be the same group as one agreed with the Apostles and the Holy Spirit, and the other has not !!!

Also in the book of Galatians it is speaking of those who did walk properly in the gospel of Christ but has now been drawn away to false teaching of justification by the law. The Acts 15 account is speaking of NEW Gentile believers that are coming to the faith for the first time !!! Two separate situations............

 

[ember]

You are indeed saying that, my friend. I see no one here advocating the deliberate pursuit of living sinful lifestyles. What I do see here are folks rejoicing in God's saving grace in Jesus Christ, and ever trying to strengthen our relationship with God in Jesus, yet knowing full well that we will always sin on this side of Heaven.

We stand IN Christ

outside of Him...no one stands

He is our shelter and our rock and our fortress in times of trouble

He is our peace and He has made peace with our God for us!

 

[KennethC]

So what is the difference in walking in Righteousness and walking in your own righteousness???

Walking in His righteousness means we walk by His teachings and commands that leads to liberty from the law through Him, and walking in our own righteousness is doing as the Pharisees did in doing everything for self.

 

[Least]

Kenneth, I have a plea that you repent and quit opposing the witness of scripture. The Galatians were laboring under a false doctrine that was directly and clearly addressed by the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. Verses 20 & 29 prove that gentiles were not followers of the 10 commandments.

The ten commandments sure are referenced a whole lot....for being done away with and unnecessary today. Not much opinion here....just verses.

More than a few examples:

Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
Ephesians 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Other commandments:

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

(The commands given in Acts 15, were taken very seriously.)

1 Corinthians 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1 Corinthians 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1 Corinthians 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Ephesians 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Colossians 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

 

[JaumeJ]

I have always believed the yoke and the burden is His teaching and our learning from Him instead of from the hypocrites, for they weigh heavy burdens on you but will not lift a finger to lift them. Keep in mind also when Jesus said to take His yoke upon us, He had said Learn of Me, a strong indication of what He is teaching for the direct antecedent is learn of Me.

I believe Jesus Christ. I pray all in Him are blessed always, amen. Others too.

The yoke and burden Jesus is talking about is having faith in Him, and loving God and neighbor.

 

[KennethC]

Saturdays are a pope's calendar, named after the god Saturn. This day cannot be a sabbath day in relation. Or can it be? Confusion sets in a this point. ???????????

There is no confusing when one does a history study on Jewish tradition and customs and go by their calendar, and one will find that Saturday was the original day of the Sabbath observance. It was changed to Sunday by Constantine and the RCC to not cause a stumbling block on new converts.

However this just confuses the whole issue since the Sabbath observance is clearly shown observed in a different way then the OT standard.

You're just trying to twist things around as you always do. Scripture says walking in the spirit produces fruit against which no law can bring a charge of disobedience. You said walking in the fruit causes one to not break the law. Complete twisting of scripture and nonsense.

You are the one twisting things not me, and I never said walking in the fruit causes one to break the law !!!

Please stop with your continuous lies about me !!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I am not opposing scripture as you are only taking part of the picture instead of using the whole, as those in Acts 15 were among the group that came together in discussion and came to an agreement in Acts 15:20,29.

Those in the book of Galatians that lead these people astray obviously where not part of that group as they continued to teach justification by written ordinance law keeping.

So obviously these can not be the same group as one agreed with the Apostles and the Holy Spirit, and the other has not !!!

Also in the book of Galatians it is speaking of those who did walk properly in the gospel of Christ but has now been drawn away to false teaching of justification by the law. The Acts 15 account is speaking of NEW Gentile believers that are coming to the faith for the first time !!! Two separate situations............

Your endless accusations are just a distraction to avoid having to face the reality that Acts 15 completely destroys the validity of your law fixation. Acts 15:20, 29 proves that gentiles were never under, nor expected to be under, the 10 commandments.

 

[KennethC]

You are indeed saying that, my friend. I see no one here advocating the deliberate pursuit of living sinful lifestyles. What I do see here are folks rejoicing in God's saving grace in Jesus Christ, and ever trying to strengthen our relationship with God in Jesus, yet knowing full well that we will always sin on this side of Heaven.

I have not said what you claim, and as it comes to sin yes we will have times we will struggle and backslide.

But nowhere in the bible does it support an everyday continuous sinful lifestyle, as the purpose of the Holy Spirit abiding in us is to strengthen us where we are weak to help us abstain from sinning and the fruit is clearly stated to keep us from stumbling. (2 Peter 1:10)

 

[Utah]

I have always believed the yoke and the burden is His teaching and our learning from Him instead of from the hypocrites, for they weigh heavy burdens on you but will not lift a finger to lift them. Keep in mind also when Jesus said to take His yoke upon us, He had said Learn of Me, a strong indication of what He is teaching for the direct antecedent is learn of Me.

I believe Jesus Christ. I pray all in Him are blessed always, amen. Others too.

Amen to this! I rejoice in your love for the Lord, my Brother! God bless you.

 

[KennethC]

Your endless accusations are just a distraction to avoid having to face the reality that Acts 15 completely destroys the validity of your law fixation. Acts 15:20, 29 proves that gentiles were never under, nor expected to be under, the 10 commandments.

You are the one who is doing the accusing, not me and I am done with you !!!