The Law Debacle Resolved
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1. If your not saved (by faith), Your in darkness
2. SO your either saved (in light) or in darkness (still lost in unbelief)
there is no in between.
we need to get off of who is doing moral deeds and who is not. because anyone can do a moral deed according to the law. We need to get onto who is saved and who is not.
otherwise the rest of the arguments are worthless
2. SO your either saved (in light) or in darkness (still lost in unbelief)
there is no in between.
we need to get off of who is doing moral deeds and who is not. because anyone can do a moral deed according to the law. We need to get onto who is saved and who is not.
otherwise the rest of the arguments are worthless
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thats true, because those in the light were circumcised by the hand of God.
Col 2:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
thank God ken has me on ignore or we would have a baptism argument, But this is the baptism of God. He took that which was a curse to us (the requirement of the law) and nailed it to the cross. he made us who were dead in sin, alive to Christ.
it is not by works of the law. Not by NT works, Not nby any works of righteousness which we have done are doing or will ever do. But
By Gods mercy HE SAVED US by the WASHING and RENEWAL of the Holy Sirit (God) Titus 3: 5
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God does-not want us to work for him. He wants to work through us. By his Spirit his work is his idea
and he gets the Glory.
When I go off on my own. I am not trusting God to direct me and use me.
Trust the Spirit. He will give you plenty of work.
Kefa
Originally Posted by Shoshanah
I need to stop working for God?
Because of grace I assume?
and he gets the Glory.
When I go off on my own. I am not trusting God to direct me and use me.
Trust the Spirit. He will give you plenty of work.
Kefa
I need to stop working for God?
Because of grace I assume?
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the law of sin and death is the law given to moses. Which has a curse (death) to all who do not confirm and obey all the words written in it.
it was given according to paul to confirm all under sin, so the righteousness of christ may be given to all.
gal 3
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
it was given according to paul to confirm all under sin, so the righteousness of christ may be given to all.
gal 3
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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they claim you can lose salvation .
They can say their faith motivates them to do work. But their faith is in their work. Not God.
There work is not motivated by grace, or faith but by self.
if they make it to heaven, they will claim they made it because they did all these works in faith, and did not fall back into sin or whatever things they had to do to keep salvation. so in the end, their faith was in themselves
Your quote "the law of sin and death is the law given to moses." I think they are opposed to each other, and not the same in any respect. The law of sin and death is carnal, and the law of God is spiritual. "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
A small point. We are to point out sin and heresy. Subtle differences could just be different ways of expressing the same thing. If I am not a solid predestined calvanist, I must be an armenian. The point of this forum, I thought, was to put forward positions, and presenting them fairly. People may agree at the start and/or change them by the end.
The proposition here is people have a propoganda agenda, rather than just sharing their view and experience.
Now some sentences could mean something other than the obvious, but you have to take all the context into account.
If one summarises the taken meaning, and reflects this back, only when the person confirms the proposition is it true and not just a miss-understanding.
After this interaction, you got to leave it alone, but some here find this impossible, because it must be a conspiracy, do you not all see!
I am sorry, at this point, it is just nuts, and looking for shadows that are not there.
The proposition here is people have a propoganda agenda, rather than just sharing their view and experience.
Now some sentences could mean something other than the obvious, but you have to take all the context into account.
If one summarises the taken meaning, and reflects this back, only when the person confirms the proposition is it true and not just a miss-understanding.
After this interaction, you got to leave it alone, but some here find this impossible, because it must be a conspiracy, do you not all see!
I am sorry, at this point, it is just nuts, and looking for shadows that are not there.
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yes, why is it carnal?
Because no one can keep it. Those who try to keep it are carnal. because they do it of self.
Those who look to Christ and do live as he did (in and through the law of love) will end up looking ok according to the law (because they are not out breaking the law) but still will not be perfect according to the law (because they still sin.
That is why grace trumps law. And the law will never save you.
Because no one can keep it. Those who try to keep it are carnal. because they do it of self.
Those who look to Christ and do live as he did (in and through the law of love) will end up looking ok according to the law (because they are not out breaking the law) but still will not be perfect according to the law (because they still sin.
That is why grace trumps law. And the law will never save you.
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True! What I see that gets overlooked is the fact that the works that God desires can ONLY come from a saved individual.
The kind of love,deeds and divine Good that God desires can only be accomplished through a saved individual.........The Spirit working through us.
We are not saved to serve. We are divinely provided the PRIVILEGE to serve. There is no true service apart from salvation.
The kind of love,deeds and divine Good that God desires can only be accomplished through a saved individual.........The Spirit working through us.
We are not saved to serve. We are divinely provided the PRIVILEGE to serve. There is no true service apart from salvation.
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