The Law Debacle Resolved

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I agree.
Do you believe observing the 4th commandment is necessary to, not earn, but establish righteousness?
Do you believe keeping the 4th commandment is the fruit of our obedience to the faith?
Do you believe that those who are truly saved will keep the 4th commandment?

You tell me first. What does the Sabbath mean to you, and then tell my why you are bringing it up ?

Oh my my. This is getting to be too funny... (tears roll out of eyes...)

 

[PeterJens]

Now guys we are obviously not sabbatarians, or it would be an issue. Now your suggestion that this is being done is simply untrue, because people would say, "no i am a sabbatarian."

You have to take people at face value. Doctrine is not like an illness that get slowly taken over, it is just declared and that is what they believe.

It is obvious that some are hyper legalists on defining sin as impure thoughts. Is this where you go I wonder?

 

[JaumeJ]

Why do you, as a brother in Christ find the need to ask this question? You know. If anyone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, he will never be forgiven, and he is in danger of losing his salvation. Is this some kind of drill? Anyone knows who has read teh Word this peril taught us all. I still am in wonder as to why any believer would find a need to ask this.

Can you lose your salvation? Yes or no? If yes, how?

 

[Utah]

Can you describe the "falling away" that is revealed in scripture? That has to be true because it's God's words not man's. What would cause that to happen? Now to clarify, if anyone is truly saved, and truly abides in Christ, then I don't believe they will fall away from Christ, but abiding in Christ is every day, not just a thing of the past.

Its about people who lose faith, as described by Jesus in the parable of The Sower. And yet, Jesus also states that nothing is impossible with God while the Hebrews writer uses the word impossible. Hmmm...

 

[JaumeJ]

This description of God's children is contained in the Word. We were formerly children of disobedienct, this leaves us as being children of obedience. THIS IS A DESCRIPTION, not how we are saved.

No one is saved but by the Blood of Jesus Christ, God' Lamb. This too has been repeatedly confessed by all who believe we are also children of obedience.

When is this inquisitory approach to dialog going to yield to understanding?

You're a child of obedience; I'm a child of love and grace.

For me, the Cross and Tomb are empty and God's grace is sufficient.

 

[Least]

Oh my my. This is getting to be too funny... (tears roll out of eyes...)

That's your response? To a call for your biblical understanding on the subject that you say you are standing against?

How interesting..

 

[PeterJens]

Oh my my. This is getting to be too funny... (tears roll out of eyes...)

I think you are living in your own head. These are not complex issues, or calling out of people who are masquerading as something else.

It should be simple for people following Jesus to agree we are called to do good things. Paul even said if people preached for wrong motives, he did not care, at least Jesus was being preached. It seems this generous spirit is missing.

 

[JaumeJ]

Once more, if all here follow Jesus Christ's example, and do all He teaches, this debate is moot.... I choose to be His child of obedience as do all who understand His teachings. It is getting late, and soon I will be hitting the sack. I may breeze through later, but if not, see you all tomorrow. God bless all who know Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[Shoshanah]

Amen to the first bolded sentence, and thank you for your kind words in the second bolded sentence.

What does this faith do after the fact of being born again? Read and rejoice in the following:

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

That is a beautiful story of humility. Just beautiful!!! You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

 

[Utah]

Why do you, as a brother in Christ find the need to ask this question? You know. If anyone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, he will never be forgiven, and he is in danger of losing his salvation. Is this some kind of drill? Anyone knows who has read teh Word this peril taught us all. I still am in wonder as to why any believer would find a need to ask this.

Have we been talking about blaspheming the Holy Spirit all this time? No, we haven't. Stick with the subject at hand. Can you lose your salvation? You seem to think that people who don't think and act like you either lose it or never had it to begin with. Answer the question as it relates to what we've been discussing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think you are living in your own head. These are not complex issues, or calling out of people who are masquerading as something else.

It should be simple for people following Jesus to agree we are called to do good things. Paul even said if people preached for wrong motives, he did not care, at least Jesus was being preached. It seems this generous spirit is missing.

But Paul would have greatly cared if those or any other would have been proclaiming the wrong gospel. He strongly condemned such.

 

[Utah]

This description of God's children is contained in the Word. We were formerly children of disobedienct, this leaves us as being children of obedience. THIS IS A DESCRIPTION, not how we are saved.

No one is saved but by the Blood of Jesus Christ, God' Lamb. This too has been repeatedly confessed by all who believe we are also children of obedience.

When is this inquisitory approach to dialog going to yield to understanding?

My obedience is loving the Lord our God with all my heart and soul, etc. Its about having faith! I am obedient in my faith, and it is not I who came to God, but God who came to me, thus, I have salvation, always and forever, all to the glory of God, not me.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's your response? To a call for your biblical understanding on the subject that you say you are standing against?

How interesting..

You folks are so predictable...

 

[Utah]

Once more, if all here follow Jesus Christ's example, and do all He teaches, this debate is moot.... I choose to be His child of obedience as do all who understand His teachings. It is getting late, and soon I will be hitting the sack. I may breeze through later, but if not, see you all tomorrow. God bless all who know Jesus Christ, amen.

How about blessing those who don't. People who are healthy have no need for a doctor, but rather it is the sick who need a doctor. Share some blessings with those in need. And don't be smart and say, "God bless you, Utah," because we can all see that coming a mile away.

 

[Least]

You folks are so predictable...

Thank you, I'd rather not offer confusing statements about what I believe. (My dear)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then what's the beef? Take a good look at HeRoseFromTheDead's post to me. What's the purpose of this antagonism?

all I can think is he is confused why seem to be standing by those who teach salvation can be lost (of works) and those who believe in faith alone (pure faith, not mere belief). So maybe he is trying to find out where you stand?

 

[Gr8grace]

I see people quote the half brother of Christ Jesus. Rather than debate and accuse, wouldn't it be better to quote more scripture because scripture doesn't contradict itself. We are saved by faith alone by only the grace of God in Jesus. This is true, but what does this faith do after the fact of being born again? You made a good point in the work that you do in a previous post that I really liked. It was heart warming.

What does this faith do after being born again?..................It SHOULD remain in trusting what Christ did and is doing.

Trust in the work that HE did and is doing, not in the work that we do. If, we as believers can make this distinction our service is not a requirement or obligation...........but a privilege.

Believing that we can lose what Christ did for us, is a faith that has fallen away from Him and His work and is a subtle motive switch to relying on our works instead of His work.

 

[Utah]

That is a beautiful story of humility. Just beautiful!!! You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

Don't let my indignation towards legalists (Pharisees) confuse you with proudness. I am not proud, I just get ticked off at people who thump their chests in self righteousness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're a child of obedience; I'm a child of love and grace.

For me, the Cross and Tomb are empty and God's grace is sufficient.

to add. You want to be a child of obedience, thus you keep running the race to maturity, You just are not to proud to admit, You can not live up to Gods standard of obedience, Which I think everyone seems to forget. Gods standard is perfection.

yet every time I say that, I am excusing my sin and wanting to live in sin.

Nonsense.. None of us, you included are saying this.

 

[Utah]

What does this faith do after being born again?..................It SHOULD remain in trusting what Christ did and is doing.

Trust in the work that HE did and is doing, not in the work that we do. If, we as believers can make this distinction our service is not a requirement or obligation...........but a privilege.

Believing that we can lose what Christ did for us, is a faith that has fallen away from Him and His work and is a subtle motive switch to relying on our works instead of His work.

Exactly.