The Law of Sin and Death vs. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

valiant · Sep 17, 2016

The word translated 'law' (nomos) also means 'principle'. It equally refers to an idea or principle. It does not only refer to a body of laws. 'Thus 'the principle of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus' means the way in which God has brought no condemnation on certain people by giving them the Spirit of life 'in Christ Jesus'. They are born of the Spirit and are new creatures. They have been rescued from 'under the Law', and are now righteous with Christ's righteousness (Rom 5.18-19;1 Cor 1.30; 2 Cor 5.21).

What the Law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did. Sending His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as a sin offering, He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the Law might be seen as fulfilled in us who are covered with His righteousness. as in Rom 5.18-19 (and have received the Spirit). As such we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Grace777x70 · Sep 17, 2016

heavenly_bound said:

That's right. There were garments that were holy - does that mean they were "progressively" getting holy?....No, of course not - they were "set apart" for use.

There were holy days - does that mean the were "progressively" being sanctified. The gold was sanctified in the temple. Lot's of examples of the real use of the term "set apart/sanctified".

Godliness is a better way of describing the process of "working out what already is in us in Christ in our inner man" - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

Hebrews 10:14 says "we are sanctified" and it is in the present passive - which means we are being "set apart" and it is all done passively to us because we are in Christ and we are being "transformed" by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor 3:17-18.

We already are sanctified ( set apart ) because we are in Christ now as these scriptures clearly show. Sometimes our religious teachings are ingrained in our minds and when we hear something "different" we balk at them and of course it's heresy to us...as usual...

Christ is our sanctification:

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

Acts 20:32 ; Acts 26:18; Rom. 15:16; 1 Cor. 1:2; 1 Cor. 6:19; Heb. 10:10; Jude 1:1 - all these scriptures say that we as Christians are already sanctified/set-apart. There are either in the Greek perfect tense or the past tense and they are passive which means it is something done to us - not us doing it.

Now, I believe as we work out the sanctification and life of Christ that is in us in our new creation that is in Christ now - we are then set apart/sanctified for use by the Lord here in this earth. This is where godliness has great gain not only in this life but in the world to come. God rewards us for the work that He does through and in us. What a great salvation and awesome Lord we belong to!

valiant · Sep 17, 2016

We must distinguish sanctification as a standing which we are in because God has made us so (Acts 26.18; Cor 1.2; 6.11) (He has made us instantly holy in standing before Him). and sanctification as a process which God is carrying out in us in order to prepare us to be godly and for meeting Him (E.g. Eph 5.26; 1 Thess 4.3; Heb 10.14). (He is making us practically holy)..

heavenly_bound · Sep 17, 2016

SouthernStorm said:

hey, Bro you are perfect in Christ!! this is bc you are death and your life is Hid with Christ in God! Christ is now your life, "" ...For ye are death and your life is now hid with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life qhall appear, then we shall appear with him in glory """Col 3:3-4).

in fact there is no you! Christ has become you! the you that you still see as a sinner is not you! its a mistaken identity! Paul puts it this way "I (referring the old adamic nature) am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I( referring to the new nature) but Christ who lives in me, and the live that I now live in the flesh, i live by the faith OF the son of God (Gal 2:20)". Paul is saying that there is an "I" that was crucified with Christ when He was crucified on the cross, nevertheless there is an "I" that is living right now, yet that "I" is not him Paul; that "I" is Christ. in other words there is an "I" that is yet not I the believer, but God wants me to call that "I" ( which is Christ) I meaning me!

when we see this truth, then we will understand that the believer is perfect by virtue of his union with the Son of God! The believer is identical to Christ! as He( Christ) is, so are we in this world!!! For the believer to say that he is still a sinner, is an anti Christ way of thinking. if you still see yourself as the man of sin, then you are saying that Christ is a sinner; "for He (God) had Him to be sin for us who knew no sin that we might be MADE the righteousness of God in Him Christ" 2 Cor 5: 21);
my question to you is, are you in Christ? if yes, then you are as perfect as Christ is;," if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation..(2 Cor 5:17); a creation that never existed before, a creation that never gets old!!! Thank you lord Jesus!!!
for more understanding on this subject pls watch this

videohttps://youtu.be/xAYQh_pJkR4

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 17, 2016

valiant said:

Hmmmm twisty, twisty.....compare--->>>
Romans 8:3-4

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

What is walking after the flesh?------>>>>=walking in ongoing sin

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 17, 2016

Here is a old study I wrote on Romans 7 ....

I have come across a grave error in my internet travels, and that error is in thinking that the law of God is a curse, and is the same Law as the law of sin and death. But Paul makes clear in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin. So what is the law of sin and death? I compare the law of sin and death to be much like the law of gravity; we are all firstborn under it naturally by reason of Adams original sin.

Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” As it is also written in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,” So as it is also written, by nature we were the children of wrath Ephesians 2:3 and as by the judgement of one for sin was unto condemnation Romans 5:16 as the wages of sin is death= being under the law of sin and death.

We know this condemnation of sin was already in the world before the Law of Moses because death already reigned in the world. Romans 5:13 Notice we are told death reigned Romans 5:14“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

That is an important clue in understanding what it means to be under the law of sin and death. When you are under the law of sin you are a servant of sin, like sin being the Devils desire ruling over you as it is written in Romans 5:21 “That as sin hath reigned unto death…”

People try to use Romans 7 as an excuse for ongoing sin, even saying Paul was still struggling with sin. But one needs to keep in mind what Paul said to his audience in Romans 6:19 [SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh:”

What Paul was showing in Romans 7 was the struggle and enmity between the law of the flesh and the law of the Spirit, these 2 spirits and 2 natures are contrary to one another. Notice in Romans 7 we are shown 2 laws, one is the law of sin and death, the other is the law of God. We already saw in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin, now notice Paul confirms in verse 13 the law of God is not death either.

Romans 7:12-25 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In the above we see the 2 laws (flesh vs. Spirit) warring against one another, but are we to remain in this state of captivity and bondage being under the law of sin and death? Scripture gives us the answer to this as well in Romans 8:1-4 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

What we see in the above is walking after the flesh is serving sin and =being under the law of sin and death. Thus when we are born again of the Spirit we are no longer walking in the lusts of the flesh. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” So it is the Spirit of Christ (law of the Spirit of Life) that sets us free from the first nature that desires to walk in the flesh and serve sin.

Now some might say this does not mean we are set free from sin and death, just that we are set free from the law of God. But that is not what is being said above by Paul. To what benefit would it be to be only set free from a holy law, and not be set free from sin and death? All that would amount to is a bunch of lawless sinners. Besides that, the Gentiles were never even under the Law of Moses to begin with, so how can you be set free from a law that you were never even under? Makes no sense.

But the law that both Jews and Gentiles are firstborn under, is the law of sin and death. Romans 3:9 “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;”

So hopefully you will see in this that it is sin you truly need to be set free from by faith in Jesus Christ, because a servant of sin abides not in the house forever. Peace.

Grace777x70 · Sep 17, 2016

The requirements of the law were fulfilled by Christ "in" us - NOT "by" us because we are "in Christ". Jesus Himself fulfilled all the requirements of the Law.

Romans 8:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

[SUP]4 [/SUP] so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

We do not walk according to the flesh because we are not in the flesh now - but in the Spirit.

Romans 8:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] However,you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

If we would only preach the gospel of the grace of Christ and what happened to us when we became a new creation - we would "awake to righteousness" that is in us in our true self that is our inner man created in righteousness and holiness and "sin not" - in it's many forms - including malice and slander.

Then the life of Christ would be manifested in our lives and we wouldn't have to make up religions like the D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness one.

We can trust the life of Christ that is in us believers now which manifests as the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus to lead us in this life as we are all children of God now and are being led by the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:14

We live now by the life of Christ.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

seed_time_harvest · Sep 17, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Can a person be just before GOD and sin In the flesh?

Grace777x70 · Sep 17, 2016

In order to understand Romans 6-7 ( and then finally chapter 8 where the Spirit comes in ) I believe we need to understand the difference between "sin" and "sinning".

Not knowing this leads to all kinds of doctrines like this "sinless perfection" one that some try to promote. This doctrine will upset the faith of the young Christian and really in the end promote turmoil in their minds and upset their faith.

This will also create a works-righteousness mindset instead of a faith-righteousness one that is completely fixed on Christ's completed work for the believer.

We will always have the flesh with us and anyone that says they never are "sinning" have a very low opinion of the holiness of God and are only thinking of the "biggie sins" which they don't do.

Malice and slander and things like these ( Gal. 5:21 ) are just as destructive as living a homosexual lifestyle.

There is a difference between sin the noun and sinning the verb. Set free from sin does not mean set free from sinning entirely the rest of one's life. Sin the noun has been guaranteed in the flesh which is why the Holy Spirit circumcised our hearts ( where He lives and is joined as one in the spirit with us) from the body of flesh.

Romans chapter 6 and 7 uses the noun "sin" 48x times ( which speaks of the law of sin that is in our flesh ) and only once as the verb which is the action of "sinning".

Here is what Vine's describes this "law of sin" that is in the flesh - acting through the members of our body when we yield to it.

"a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom. 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, "

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.

The set free from sin ( the noun ) is relating to not having to be subject anymore to the flesh because we have been sealed in our spirit in our inner man in Christ. - the new creation in Him.

The law of sin is in the flesh and will be there until we leave this earth. Romans 7:19-22. which is where we are not "in the flesh" as Paul says in Romans 8:9 : BUT "in the Spirit".

Colossians 2:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

Now we are to walk by the Spirit so that we will not fulfill the flesh to do "its" desires. Romans 6:13

As our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ and what He has already done for us - the Holy Spirit transforms us and we live a holier life. This is all God's work but we participate in it with Him. ( sometimes this is also called the saving of the soul which the mind is a part of )

Cee · Sep 17, 2016

Amen!

I am free.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

InSpiritInTruth said:

Here is a old study I wrote on Romans 7 ....

I have come across a grave error in my internet travels, and that error is in thinking that the law of God is a curse, and is the same Law as the law of sin and death. But Paul makes clear in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin. So what is the law of sin and death? I compare the law of sin and death to be much like the law of gravity; we are all firstborn under it naturally by reason of Adams original sin.

Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” As it is also written in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,” So as it is also written, by nature we were the children of wrath Ephesians 2:3 and as by the judgement of one for sin was unto condemnation Romans 5:16 as the wages of sin is death= being under the law of sin and death.

We know this condemnation of sin was already in the world before the Law of Moses because death already reigned in the world. Romans 5:13 Notice we are told death reigned Romans 5:14“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

That is an important clue in understanding what it means to be under the law of sin and death. When you are under the law of sin you are a servant of sin, like sin being the Devils desire ruling over you as it is written in Romans 5:21 “That as sin hath reigned unto death…”

People try to use Romans 7 as an excuse for ongoing sin, even saying Paul was still struggling with sin. But one needs to keep in mind what Paul said to his audience in Romans 6:19 [SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh:”

What Paul was showing in Romans 7 was the struggle and enmity between the law of the flesh and the law of the Spirit, these 2 spirits and 2 natures are contrary to one another. Notice in Romans 7 we are shown 2 laws, one is the law of sin and death, the other is the law of God. We already saw in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin, now notice Paul confirms in verse 13 the law of God is not death either.

Romans 7:12-25 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In the above we see the 2 laws (flesh vs. Spirit) warring against one another, but are we to remain in this state of captivity and bondage being under the law of sin and death? Scripture gives us the answer to this as well in Romans 8:1-4 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

What we see in the above is walking after the flesh is serving sin and =being under the law of sin and death. Thus when we are born again of the Spirit we are no longer walking in the lusts of the flesh. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” So it is the Spirit of Christ (law of the Spirit of Life) that sets us free from the first nature that desires to walk in the flesh and serve sin.

Now some might say this does not mean we are set free from sin and death, just that we are set free from the law of God. But that is not what is being said above by Paul. To what benefit would it be to be only set free from a holy law, and not be set free from sin and death? All that would amount to is a bunch of lawless sinners. Besides that, the Gentiles were never even under the Law of Moses to begin with, so how can you be set free from a law that you were never even under? Makes no sense.

But the law that both Jews and Gentiles are firstborn under, is the law of sin and death. Romans 3:9 “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;”

So hopefully you will see in this that it is sin you truly need to be set free from by faith in Jesus Christ, because a servant of sin abides not in the house forever. Peace.

FreeNChrist · Sep 17, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Here is a old study I wrote on Romans 7 ....

I have come across a grave error in my internet travels, and that error is in thinking that the law of God is a curse, and is the same Law as the law of sin and death. But Paul makes clear in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin. So what is the law of sin and death? I compare the law of sin and death to be much like the law of gravity; we are all firstborn under it naturally by reason of Adams original sin.

Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” As it is also written in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,” So as it is also written, by nature we were the children of wrath Ephesians 2:3 and as by the judgement of one for sin was unto condemnation Romans 5:16 as the wages of sin is death= being under the law of sin and death.

We know this condemnation of sin was already in the world before the Law of Moses because death already reigned in the world. Romans 5:13 Notice we are told death reigned Romans 5:14“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

That is an important clue in understanding what it means to be under the law of sin and death. When you are under the law of sin you are a servant of sin, like sin being the Devils desire ruling over you as it is written in Romans 5:21 “That as sin hath reigned unto death…”

People try to use Romans 7 as an excuse for ongoing sin, even saying Paul was still struggling with sin. But one needs to keep in mind what Paul said to his audience in Romans 6:19 [SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh:”

What Paul was showing in Romans 7 was the struggle and enmity between the law of the flesh and the law of the Spirit, these 2 spirits and 2 natures are contrary to one another. Notice in Romans 7 we are shown 2 laws, one is the law of sin and death, the other is the law of God. We already saw in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin, now notice Paul confirms in verse 13 the law of God is not death either.

Romans 7:12-25 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In the above we see the 2 laws (flesh vs. Spirit) warring against one another, but are we to remain in this state of captivity and bondage being under the law of sin and death? Scripture gives us the answer to this as well in Romans 8:1-4 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

What we see in the above is walking after the flesh is serving sin and =being under the law of sin and death. Thus when we are born again of the Spirit we are no longer walking in the lusts of the flesh. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” So it is the Spirit of Christ (law of the Spirit of Life) that sets us free from the first nature that desires to walk in the flesh and serve sin.

Now some might say this does not mean we are set free from sin and death, just that we are set free from the law of God. But that is not what is being said above by Paul. To what benefit would it be to be only set free from a holy law, and not be set free from sin and death? All that would amount to is a bunch of lawless sinners. Besides that, the Gentiles were never even under the Law of Moses to begin with, so how can you be set free from a law that you were never even under? Makes no sense.

But the law that both Jews and Gentiles are firstborn under, is the law of sin and death. Romans 3:9 “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;”

So hopefully you will see in this that it is sin you truly need to be set free from by faith in Jesus Christ, because a servant of sin abides not in the house forever. Peace.

How can you call that a “study” of what the "law of sin and death" is without even taking into consideration the passage itself and the immediate context of it??

Cee · Sep 17, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

You forgot to finish the context of that Scripture...

[SUP]9 [/SUP] However,you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 17, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 17, 2016

Cee said:

And IF you are truly free from sin by the Power of God's Spirit, then you will no longer be serving sin and walking in ongoing sin and serving the lusts of the flesh. The proof is in the pudding as they say,

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 17, 2016

Cee said:

Again notice the IF.....IF one is no longer in the flesh, then they will no longer be sinning.....the proof is in the pudding (walk).

heavenly_bound · Sep 17, 2016

valiant said:

my question to you is this, if sanctification is a process, how come that the believer is sited in heavenly places in Christ? The Word of God says that God is light and in Him is no darkness! How can sinners sit on the throne of such a perfect and Holy God? And also, how long did it take people and items to be sanctified in the O T ?

When Christ prayed in jh 17 saying Father, i have sanctified your name.. what did he mean by that? He equally said, bc of these(referring to his disciples), i sanctify myself. does is mean that He is on His way to being perfect?

By the way the verse you just quoted in 1 Thess 4.3; is a noun and not a verb and its in the past tense in Heb 10.14.

Grace777x70 · Sep 17, 2016

Christians never become "out of the Spirit" ..Christians are always "in the Spirit and NOT in the flesh".

It is a position in Christ now because the new creation ( the inner man created in righteousness and holiness ) is separated from the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. Col. 2:11. The body of the flesh has been cut way by the Holy Spirit and our inner man in the new creation in Christ is sealed by the Holy Spirit.

This is why "sin" the noun ( an entity within our flesh ) shall not have dominion over us. People can get this confused with the act of "sinning". Romans 6-7 uses it as a noun 48x times.

When we walk by the spirit - we will not fulfill the desire of the flesh. Gal. 5:16

Works-based salvationists put this backwards - they say if you don't do the lusts of the flesh - you will be walking by the Spirit. Man-centered religion which substitutes Christ's life in us for "what they do".

The Christian is never "in the flesh" because they are in Christ. They can live "according to the flesh" but this never puts them back "in the flesh" as it is a position in Christ that we are "in the Spirit" at all times.

Not knowing this leads to all kinds of doctrines like this "sinless perfection" one that some try to promote where they say that people never sin and if they do sin - they are not born of God.

As long as we have the flesh with us which is until we die - people can and sometimes do give in to the flesh in some form. This includes malice and slander too as well as the "biggie sins" but to the self-righteous - these sins are not "recognized". - But others see it as plain as day for what it really is.

Let's learn to walk by the Spirit so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh - how do we do this? Through Christ alone - all by grace through faith.

Colossians 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

seed_time_harvest · Sep 17, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

JESUS said "the words that I speak they are Spirit and they are life." the body counts for nothing.

The body does not give life.the Spirit gives life.

That scripture means a person has got to be reborn,and then present your bodies a living sacrifice.

InSpiritInTruth · Sep 17, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

This verse is talking about putting to death sin through the power of God's Spirit= putting to death the deeds of the body

valiant · Sep 17, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

You are clearly mixed up. In the Scriptures condemnation is always contrasted with justification, that is, the permanent state of the believer. We are justified because we are counted as righteous in Christ (Rom 5.18-19; 2 Corinthians 5.21)). It is what GOD has done in Christ that enables us to 'fulfil the law'. We will never fulfill the Law otherwise (Rom 1.8-3.20)

Thus the righteousness mentioned MUST BE justifying righteousness and therefore the righteousness of Christ which makes us righteous before a holy God, removing condemnation. It is because he is covered in the righteousness of Christ (Rom 3.21-5.21) that God has regenerated him (Rom 5.13-6.14) and he is therefore able to 'walk after the Spirit'.

Walking after the Spirit is the activity of a person who is born again of the Spirit.

Walking after the flesh is the activity of a natural man who is not born again.

A man who walks after the Spirit may not always initially obey the Spirit. But the Spirit will finally cause him to do so (Phil 2.13). Indeed that is proof that the Spirit is at work within him

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