The Law of Sin and Death vs. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

heavenly_bound · Sep 19, 2016

Jesus said the kingdom of God comes without observation,for they will not say here it is,or there it is,for the kingdom of God is within you,which the saints display the kingdom of God's ways,by the Holy Spirit.

So the kingdom of God in its entirety is not on earth.

During the millennial reign of Christ,God will spare one sixth of the world that fought against Israel,and all that is left of the nations have to go up year after year to worship the LORD,which those are the people that Jesus and the saints rule over.

They took the mark of the beast,but God postponed their judgment until the end of the millennial reign,which then they are judged.

So the kingdom of God is not on earth in its entirety,although it will be Jesus that will rule,and everybody will only recognize Him,but there is still people in the flesh,and at the end of the millennial reign,Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit,and stirs them up to go against the saints,so the millennial reign is not entirely God's kingdom.

The New Jerusalem is a place of only God,and Jesus,the saints,and the angels,where sin has never been,and sin will never be,and rebellion will never rear its ugly head again,and the Bible says that it is a new earth,and a new heaven,and the former earth shall not be remembered,nor come to mind.

That is the kingdom of God in its entirety,for it is completely God's way.

Jesus said thy will be done on earth,as it is in heaven,which that never happens on earth,even during the millennial reign,because of the people in the flesh that took the mark of the beast,but God postponed their judgment,and they go against the saints at the end of the millennial reign and are judged then.

So the kingdom of God is not in its entirety on earth,but can only be in its entirety in the New Jerusalem,for His kingdom would have no rebellion,and only consist of the saints.

But the kingdom of God can display the kingdom of God,but the world will not,and in the millennial reign Jesus rules,and they obey,but there is still people of the flesh that rebelled against God,but God postponed their judgment,and they go against the saints at the end of the reign,so that is not the kingdom of God in its entirety.

Only the New Jerusalem is fully the kingdom come,and the entirety of the kingdom of God.

Jesus Christ is the present reigning king and not the soon coming king!!!! That's just food for thought; and also the end is not described in the book of revelation, rather in 1 Cor 15.

heavenly_bound · Sep 19, 2016

disciplemike said:

what is your business in that, do they belong to u? are you sure that if one looks into your life one will not see evil!
you are just behaving like the passphrases who brought the adulterous woman to Christ. take not of Christ's response to their accusations. Christ says the same thing to you this day!. He is the same yesterday, today and for ever, remember!
pleeeease stop trying to throw stones at others, rather see how you can continue to keep the 10 commandments(+ the 613) since you have made up you mind to obey them.
Originally Posted by disciplemike

let me ask you this.
there are a lot of believers who claim to acknowledge Christ, but remain in open homosexual relationships.
Is that kosher with you?
by the way there are also homos hiding in law churches who are worse than those who speak speak out openly. so what is the diferenc!!!

heavenly_bound · Sep 19, 2016

know1 said:

great definition!! but the last time i checked none of us were with Christ during His earthly ministry to be qualify as his disciple. The believer has moved from discipleship to sonship according to the revelation of the mystery of God and our sonship in Christ. we are the sons of God in Christ Jesus and no longer his followers; that is the advanced understanding of the gospel.maybe this video can help

https://youtu.be/wuf3cMgA5gg

Grace777x70 · Sep 19, 2016

heavenly_bound said:

I agree...the teaching of "sonship" is sadly lacking in the church and thus we substitute "sonship" for trying to do things in our own flesh.

We are not hired servants trying to follow someone in the flesh anymore - we are co-heirs with our Lord Jesus Christ. He is in us - we are one spirit together - and it is His life in and through us that is bearing His fruit.

As a son/daughter of God we get to participate in what our Father and Lord are doing. What an honor.

MessageOfTheCross · Sep 19, 2016

GM my Brothers and Sisters,

Please post the scriptures to back up your statements so all can learn.

heavenly_bound · Sep 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Preaching the red letters of Jesus is a bit like drinking whatever you find in the laundry. If you’re not paying attention – if you fail to distinguish His life-giving words of grace from His death-dealing words of law – then you could really do some damage. Don’t believe me? Then consider these red letters:
If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mat 6:14-15)

This is one of the most-quoted passages in the Bible and it is vintage law. It is a killer scripture. It is not good news.

Nonsense...read things in context...and then you won't be saying things that are not true. Isolating words out without seeing what was said about those words in context is mis-leading.

When we read the whole thing "in context" you will see what was said. BTW..that was an article - I didn't say them but I do agree with them.

Perhaps this article will give a little bit more perspective to what is really being said. Some words of Jesus brought death to their self-righteousness if you are a Pharisee and others brought life to those that knew they needed His grace.

How Should We Read the Words of Jesus?

Jesus is the greatest preacher of all time. He told stories and preached sermons the whole world needs to hear. The genius of Jesus is that he often preached one message with two punchlines. If you were confident of your own righteousness, you got law, but if you were not, you got grace.

Consider Jesus’ story of the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9–14). Both men went to the temple to pray. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself. His prayer was a résumé. He thanked God that he was not like other men and bragged about his fasting and tithing. But the tax collector stood at a distance and prayed just seven words: “God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus ends the story with a bombshell: “The tax collector went home justified before God.”

How does this parable make you feel? Does it fill you with joy or resentment?
Your response to the story is your response to the gospel. If you identify with the sinful tax collector, then this story is good news.

Really? He went home justified? That’s the scandal of grace right there. God justifies sinners (Romans 4:5). Search the parable for evidence of the tax collector’s good works or merit, and you’ll find nothing. Grace is for the undeserving. It’s for those without résumés.

But if you are confident of your self-righteousness, this story is not good news at all. “Wait a second. I fast. I tithe. I am better than other people. Jesus, what are you saying?” Jesus doesn’t mince his words. “Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled” (Luke 18:14). That’s a hard word for a hard heart. It’s a word that condemns the self-righteous and silences the boastful. It’s a word of law for those who don’t see their need for grace.

Jesus is brilliant at giving people exactly what they need. Consider the parable of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11–32). Some people love this story, others hate it. I’ve had people tell me, “I feel bad for the older brother. He worked so hard.” They say this because they are working hard.

They are good and decent and can’t understand why Jesus would throw a party for prodigals and not for them. It troubles them that we are inside whooping it up while they’re outside working on their résumés.

The story is real. Every one of us is in it and everyone is invited to the party. Grace is for all. But you’re going to have trouble receiving it if you think of your heavenly Father as an employer. And that’s the whole point. You’re going to have to change your mind about God or you will never enjoy his love.

Words mean different things to different people. If you identify with the tax collector or the prodigal, the words of Jesus are packed with radical grace. You’ll read them with praise and thanksgiving and whoops of joy. But if you identify with the Pharisee or the older brother, his words are extremely unsettling. They are serious words, not fun at all.

Yet if you allow them, the words of Jesus will change you. They will strip you of your religion and reveal your need for grace.

https://escapetoreality.org/2013/11/19/how-to-read-jesus/

I like to use this site sometimes because it has questions that people have and can ask at the bottom - I find that I learn from this as well.

well said bro! people don't want to accept that Jesus (God) said some real harsh words to the Pharisees that one cannot mention them here. if you would attempt to say anything close to that, you will be labeled a blasphemer or stoned immediately!!

ThomasDGW · Sep 20, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

This command to the apostles is for all disciples of all nations. This eliminates the possibility that there is a division of instructions for the church age.

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