The Letter to the Romans...

Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

Paul makes it clear, we still serve God ( follow His ways as He gave in the Torah.)

A person must serve one of two masters. He is either "bound" in the oldness of the letter to serve his Yetzer Hara (evil inclination), or he is "freed" from this inclination to serve God. (Of course this does not mean he will never sin - even King David sinned, yet he declared himself [in Psalms, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit] to be "righteous according to the Torah.")

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

New International Version
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

New Living Translation
But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.

English Standard Version
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

New American Standard Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

King James Bible
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

International Standard Version
But if you are being led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

NET Bible
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But if you are led by The Spirit, you are not under The Written Law.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
If your spiritual nature is your guide, you are not subject to Moses' laws.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But if ye are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

King James 2000 Bible
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.

American King James Version
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.

American Standard Version
But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law.

Darby Bible Translation
but if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under law.

English Revised Version
But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Webster's Bible Translation
But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Weymouth New Testament
But if the Spirit is leading you, you are not subject to Law.

Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

Let me tell you about the King, our Messiah. In all His teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Mt. 5:17-18; 8:17; 12:40-42; Lk. 4:18-21; 10:25-28; 15:29-31; 17:32; 24:25-45; Jn. 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” The apostles quoted 209 times from the Old Testament and considered it “the oracles of God.” The Old Testament in hundreds of places predicted the events of the New Testament; and as the New Testament is the fulfillment of, and testifies to the genuineness and authenticity of the Old Testament, both Testaments must be considered together as the Word of God.

That Messiah, the Son of God, suffered and died for you. He said what? We're cool guys, just breath and believe. Or did He say this:
[h=3]Matthew 11:28-30[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Kerry · Mar 14, 2014

Karraster said:

Here lies our problem, is our faith in the work of the cross or the work that we do. Try as we may, we cannot up hold the law. If we could there was no need for the cross. The problem is that our redemption is not complete. Don't think so then why did Jesus say when you see these things come to pass look up for redemption draweth nigh?

Well we are redeemed in spirit and the price is paid but the transaction is not complete. we are still stuck in these sinful bodies. Hence Paul's passage about what I will to do and what I will not to do. It is faith in the cross and those that endure to the end. We do not know what we shall ebe but we know that we shall be like Him, the first of the resurrection.

Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

When the King rules and reigns on Earth, will we be lawless then?

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

Very nice. Now lets consider exactly why we have a new covenant which has replaced the old, and what that means to us.

Kerry · Mar 14, 2014

Karraster said:

No, a kings rule is to enforce law and many will not believe

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

Karraster said:

There you go again claiming Christians who are led by the Spirit are lawless.
Nothing could be further from the truth!
Never in my life have I experienced more power to overcome the W.F.D.

Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

18 how to perform that which is good I find not.
Neither the "wish" to do good -- nor the observance of the commandments as an end to itself, is enough. God wishes us to serve Him out of love and a pure heart, not just to respond because the command says to.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Two verses that contribute to this thought are:

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - There is not a righteous man on earth that does good and sins not.

Isaiah 64:5 - Even our good deeds are as filthy rags.

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

Kerry said:

What is so awesome about this King (Jesus) who rules over all; is that every Spirit filled believer is possessed by this King and lawgiver. Therefore to say because we are no longer under the letter of the law we can sin away is simply ludicrous.

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

Karraster said:

Here is great joy - when we finally realize how desperate our condition is, the message of salvation by grace is all the more remarkable. How much more wonderful it is to realize that even though I am in this wretched condition, God did not abandon me. He sent His Son to die in my place. He raised His Son from the dead and just so He will raise me too. By that spirit that raised Jesus from the dead I too can be born again.
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Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

23 the law of my mind
As contrasted to the "law in my members." It is man's will that makes the choice between serving his Creator or his own will. Once a man allows his own will to become his master, his mind and will are taken captive by fleshy desires.

As stated elsewhere by Paul:

2 Corinthians 10:5 - Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

24 Who will rescue me from this body of death?

Note that Paul does NOT say, "Who will set me free from the Torah?" Through the righteousness of Yeshua ("the Lord our righteousness"), so that he can now walk (follow God's Torah) according to the Spirit of truth and holiness, putting to death the "spirit of the flesh."

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

Hmmm I wonder. Why did we need a new covenant if the old one was sufficient?
Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Notice here, the power comes from the Spirit not the letter.

Hoffco · Mar 14, 2014

To be led by the Spirit means we have a love for God's laws and the power of the Spirit to kill the sins within us, and obey all the laws which Jesus tells us to obey. The N.t tells us which laws Jesus wants us to obey in this age. Because the Spirit has set us free from our old husband SIN and jointed us to our new Husband Jesus, and His righteous laws for us to obey. So in fact we are married to the righteousness of the law of God. We are married to the whole Bible less the particular laws that were only for the O.T. times: like the ordinances and feasts day .etc. . The moral laws of the old and N.T., godly principles of pleasing God in this age of law of liberty, to follow our new heart, our renewed conscience. Love to all, Hoffco

RedTent · Mar 14, 2014

GregoryC said:

I am so sorry you can't see!!! Bondage is from sin. Look at the men in prisons, they were in bondage to sin until they had to be put in bondage of a prison. The law of sin and death is the law of the devil. You talk of Christ, you know Christ, and I would bet you listen to the law of the Lord and obey it all you can. Yet you fight against knowing about God's law as holy and good, it is bewildering! You are living a life of law and order and teaching a life of disorder. Holding on to being led by the spirit is good, you have that. The spirit leads to a life of God's law, why fight against that?

GregoryC · Mar 14, 2014

You are mistaken red tent. The law of sin and death is the power of the written law to condemn but not save. Not the law of the devil.
2 Cor. 3:clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.[h=3]The Spirit, Not the Letter[/h]4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Little children in Christ know sin is bondage.
Little children also know what is right and wrong.

The trouble starts when someone starts preaching old covenant observation of rituals and laws (old covenant) instead of the cross of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit in the new covenant believer.

Karraster · Mar 14, 2014

GregoryC said:

Little children know right from wrong how? Are they born knowing, or do they have to be taught? A loving parent trains up a child in the way they should go.

Paul teaches that believers should agree with and delight in God's Torah, as it reveals God good will and His mercy (re: 7:16) See also: Psalm 19:8, and Psalm 119:14, 16, 24, 35, 47, 70.

Hoffco · Mar 14, 2014

This is a good study, we are getting to the Heart of the N, Cov. GregoryC you are just a bit messed up yet. But RedTent is helping to get you out of your short nearsightedness, It realy is not that difficult if you would, Please listen to me. Look at the over all view, The law of sin and death is our old sin nature, (not God's "HOLY" laws. ) (Shame on you!.) The "letter" of the law is "HOLY" NOT SINFUL; NOW, the spirit of the law Or Spirit behind the law of God, is the key to obeying from the heart, spirit, the "HOLY law of God. I KNOW you want to LOVE God and OBEY God, It is just that you are hung up in your confusion. This is world wide because of the deep apostasy that todays' teachers of the LAW,BIBLE, have caused. WE are seeing the fundamental church going into apostasy, because of "faith only" "Justification only", "by faith only", "God is good-all the time only", Justification before Regeneration, etc. heresys. The fundamentals are becoming a CULT. Even MacArthur and Pipper are confused, Swindol, Stanley, The late Jerry Falwell, even the late great, Barnhouse was leading us in to this apostasy and many others are teaching the heresy of the "Carnal Christian Doctrine." Some of the historical statements of Faith were much better than these leaders of today are. Please read your Bible very carefully! Love toall, Hoffco

homwardbound · Mar 14, 2014

Karraster said:

Ever thought we are taught by this worlds ways and this worlds ways are not of God?
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

So would that be to love all, no matter what their view might be?

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