THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

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Sudakar

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John146 said:
I’m laboring for the Lord for rewards according to Paul’s teaching to the body of Christ. I trust in Christ’s work on the cross for my salvation.
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Where does paul teach to forsake His grace for rewards?
 
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Sudakar said:
If you say you know you have saving faith because you do good works you'll have to wait till your last breath to know you had saving faith?
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We are saved BY faith FOR good works.
 
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Sudakar said:
So you deny lordship salvation.
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I accept that salvation is based on faith alone then it naturally builds up to become a building by the leading of the spirit, works and fruits are naturally grown and developed. A tree does not produce it's fruits by it's own accord, a building is only as tall as it's base.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Romans 5:1-2
[1] Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: [2] By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

This scripture says it all.
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So you don't need to prove your saving faith by obeying the command in mathew 5:48?
 
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Sudakar said:
So your saving faith is known by your confession and not your good works?
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You know I have seen you ask a lot of people about how they know they are saved and by what means they know it. Tell me will you take the next stand? can you explain your question about yourself to us?
And if you already have then please let me know what post is
 
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Sudakar said:
If your standard is as per the Lord's in Mathew 5:48, have you met the standard and forsaken iniquity in line with that standard? If yes, you are claiming you are sinless in your works.
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Here’s the thing, God is the standard by which we will all be judged. Adam sinned and fell short(Romans 3:23) and that caused everyone of us to be conceived in that same condition, short of that standard. The Christ, on the cross, brought His elect back into communion with God. I don’t have to meet that standard, because I couldn’t. The Christ did it for me.
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Here’s the thing, God is the standard by which we will all be judged. Adam sinned and fell short(Romans 3:23) and that caused everyone of us to be conceived in that same condition, short of that standard. The Christ, on the cross, brought His elect back into communion with God. I don’t have to meet that standard, because I couldn’t. The Christ did it for me.
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Sudakar said:
Where does paul teach to forsake His grace for rewards?
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You’re not making sense to me? Forsaking grace? Never said that. You seem to read what you want into people’s posts for the sake of argument.

Is the Lord going to hold us accountable at all? Paul says yes.

2 Corinthians 5
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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Blain said:
I accept that salvation is based on faith alone then it naturally builds up to become a building by the leading of the spirit, works and fruits are naturally grown and developed. A tree does not produce it's fruits by it's own accord, a building is only as tall as it's base.
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So you don't do evil works?
 
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Sudakar said:
Mathew 7:11 says even the evil people do good. So don't assume christians don't do any good altogether.

The question is, because you are resurrected you do only good deeds and no evil deeds? If not, why? Is talking about resurrection meaningless if you do evil as well?
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No, I think the bible is pretty clear about that as well. As much as I truly hate the phrase "Christians will always sin" (not because it's false, but because I think it gives a pass for false converts to think they're saved when we act as if there is no difference at all between the sinning a believer may do compared to what their unbelieving self would) , the truth is we do still "sin" as reborn children of God. We still live in the flesh we did before, only now we see in the Spirit as well, and now there is a battle with it. Now the Spirit is guiding us to all truth, so when we do sin, even in things we never even saw as sin before, His Spirit will correct us, for His glory, and we will love Him for it no matter how bad it hurts.

Again with no point made, I want to ask if this seemingly endless line of questioning is leading somewhere? Or what? What are you trying to say here? What's your point?
 
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John146 said:
You’re not making sense to me? Forsaking grace? Never said that. You seem to read what you want into people’s posts for the sake of argument.

Is the Lord going to hold us accountable at all? Paul says yes.

2 Corinthians 5
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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Where does this passage say rewards are based on your works and not Hus grace?
 
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Sudakar said:
So you don't do evil works?
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...........ok I am starting to wonder if your trolling or not. I have tried to be respectful and answered your suspiciously accusive questions and I noticed you do the same thing with every other response as well.
Answer me this at least, for what purpose do you ask these questions?
 
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Jimbone said:
No, I think the bible is pretty clear about that as well. As much as I truly hate the phrase "Christians will always sin" (not because it's false, but because I think it gives a pass for false converts to think they're saved when we act as if there is no difference at all between the sinning a believer may do compared to what their unbelieving self would) , the truth is we do still "sin" as reborn children of God. We still live in the flesh we did before, only now we see in the Spirit as well, and now there is a battle with it. Now the Spirit is guiding us to all truth, so when we do sin, even in things we never even saw as sin before, His Spirit will correct us, for His glory, and we will love Him for it no matter how bad it hurts.

Again with no point made, I want to ask if this seemingly endless line of questioning is leading somewhere? Or what? What are you trying to say here? What's your point?
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As always my friend we are on the same train of thought
 
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Sudakar

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Jimbone said:
No, I think the bible is pretty clear about that as well. As much as I truly hate the phrase "Christians will always sin" (not because it's false, but because I think it gives a pass for false converts to think they're saved when we act as if there is no difference at all between the sinning a believer may do compared to what their unbelieving self would) , the truth is we do still "sin" as reborn children of God. We still live in the flesh we did before, only now we see in the Spirit as well, and now there is a battle with it. Now the Spirit is guiding us to all truth, so when we do sin, even in things we never even saw as sin before, His Spirit will correct us, for His glory, and we will love Him for it no matter how bad it hurts.

Again with no point made, I want to ask if this seemingly endless line of questioning is leading somewhere? Or what? What are you trying to say here? What's your point?
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Even non christians hate to sin, strive to do good works, forgive one another better than christians.

Your proof of saving faith is in your confession or in your good works?
 
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Sudakar said:
So you don't need to prove your saving faith by obeying the command in mathew 5:48?
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Hebrews 7:19
[19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did ; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The hope I rejoice in makes me perfect.
 
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