THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

[EleventhHour]

...........ok I am starting to wonder if your trolling or not. I have tried to be respectful and answered your suspiciously accusive questions and I noticed you do the same thing with every other response as well.
Answer me this at least, for what purpose do you ask these questions?

It sounds personal but I think he is just trying hammer his point.

 

[Blain]

Even non christians hate to sin, strive to do good works, forgive one another better than christians.

Your proof of saving faith is in your confession or in your good works?

Umm I'm sorry what? even none christians hate to sin stive to do good works and forgive better? no offense but do you watch the news? I will admit that Christians can be worse than nonchristians but they all vary but I'm sorry no people love sin they love to get wasted do drugs have tons of sex they don't give a flying dove who they hurt or how they are judged they live by yolo

 

[Blain]

It sounds personal but I think he is just trying hammer his point.

Well if he is then he is going about in a confusing way I feel like I am going one way with him then suddenly I'm turned around. Idk maybe my lack of sleep is the problem

 

[kaylagrl]

We are saved by grace THROUGH faith. We are not saved by faith. We are save through it. Grace is what we are saved by.

Ahh, I was more making a point in the latter part of the sentence, small miss-quote at the first. While works don't save, a Christian will do good works.

 

[EleventhHour]

Well if he is then he is going about in a confusing way I feel like I am going one way with him then suddenly I'm turned around. Idk maybe my lack of sleep is the problem

Definitely confusing.. and yes better if he just made his point clearly.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Ahh, I was more making a point in the latter part of the sentence, small miss-quote at the first. While works don't save, a Christian will do good works.

Bingo! We do them, not because we are trying to earn favor, but because we love to do them.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Definitely confusing.. and yes better if he just made his point clearly.

Maybe he’s from another country and English is his second or third language, and it’s hard for him to express his thoughts in English because of it not being his first language.

 

[kaylagrl]

Even non christians hate to sin, strive to do good works, forgive one another better than christians.

Your proof of saving faith is in your confession or in your good works?

Good works don't save, but a true Christian will have them. I doubt that non Christians hate sin when they don't even understand what it is. They may try to live by a moral code, but hate sin, no.

 

[Guojing]

Bingo! We do them, not because we are trying to earn favor, but because we love to do them.

But if we don't love to do them, we are not really saved?

 

[Blain]

Definitely confusing.. and yes better if he just made his point clearly.

The problem is everytime I ask him a question he just asks me a question of something I never even mentioned. Literally the definition of a dance XD

 

[kaylagrl]

Bingo! We do them, not because we are trying to earn favor, but because we love to do them.

Exactly! We do them out of love for the Lord. Some people go the entire other way and say works don't save so they don't even bother. Like tell the church people on Sunday that you're cleaning the church and the yard and see how many show up. It can go too far in either direction.

 

[Blain]

Dang now I got myself thinking of the tango the one dance I always wanted to learn...

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

But if we don't love to do them, we are not really saved?

Do you love to help ppl? I do.

Look, there are ppl we don’t help because they will use us to get what they want, drugs, alcohol, or something else. We don’t like to be taken advantage of, either. Doesn’t make it right or wrong. But I’m not giving $ to a drug addict/alcoholic. I’m not feeding their habit. I’ll buy them food if they hungry. But no $ will be given into their hands.

 

[kaylagrl]

But if we don't love to do them, we are not really saved?

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ... For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Hand in glove....

 

[Blain]

Exactly! We do them out of love for the Lord. Some people go the entire other way and say works don't save so they don't even bother. Like tell the church people on Sunday that you're cleaning the church and the yard and see how many show up. It can go too far in either direction.

I like to think of it this way have ever had to do something you knew you were supposed to do and it seemed like a chore but then it turns into something you love to do?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ... For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Hand in glove....

Bingo! God doesn’t save us to do nothing.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

But if we don't love to do them, we are not really saved?

Look at the Pharisee and Tax Collector. The Pharisee was looking at all he did as if he could gain favor with God by doing them. LS advocates don’t see works as a way to earn merit with God. We see works as an evidence of being saved.

The Tax Collector didn’t work at all, just asked for mercy. He walked away justified w/o works. LS advocates adhere to that, too.

 

[EleventhHour]

Bingo! We do them, not because we are trying to earn favor, but because we love to do them.

See this is a different point.

It is not about the "why"

The point of contention is ... are good works necessary to prove salvation.

The opposite must then be true ... no goods works no salvation.

"Professors of faith" although not actually in the faith, can do good works as well.

Evidence of conversion while yes important cannot be the stated as "proof" .. because then we enter into well how much is proof?

 

[John146]

Where does this passage say rewards are based on your works and not Hus grace?

Wherefore, we labor...

What are we going to be held accountable for at the judgment seat of Christ?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

See this is a different point.

It is not about the "why"

The point of contention is ... are good works necessary to prove salvation.

The opposite must then be true ... no goods works no salvation.

"Professors of faith" although not actually in the faith, can do good works as well.

Evidence of conversion while yes important cannot be the stated as "proof" .. because then we enter into well how much is proof?

I don't believe a saved person can be saved w/o doing any good works whatsoever. Faith and works go together like a hand and a glove. James even writes about that. @kaylagrl already posted the scriptures for it.