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I have been baptized into the body of Christ and I also pray in tongues more then I pray in my native tongue now that I am retired.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Holy Spirit Baptism". That has different meanings to different people.
Where would you get the idea that I have nor received the Holy Spirit Baptism yet from?
I'm not sure what you mean by "Holy Spirit Baptism". That has different meanings to different people.
Where would you get the idea that I have nor received the Holy Spirit Baptism yet from?
Hi Grace,
Context, Grace.
In Matthew 6, the disciples specifically asked Jesus how to pray.
Jesus taught them not to pray as the hypocrites so they wanted to know how to pray correctly, genuinely.
Context, Grace.
In John 16, Jesus is getting ready to leave this earth through His death of the cross. He's preparing his disciples and warning them because life isn't going to be easy in a world of hate, a hate for Jesus and a hate for them.
But He says He won't leave them alone, but will leave them a helper, the Holy Spirit He promised. He comforts them that even though in the world we'll have tribulation, to take heart because He has overcome the world and it's in Him that we'll find peace.
And finally, to the part you're speaking of, because Jesus is leaving and because they've never had to in the past ask for anything because Jesus was with them, NOW that He's LEAVING the earth, they will now be able to ask of the Father in His name.
John 16
These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling. They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.
“But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full. “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
His disciples *said, “Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not using a figure of speech. Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”
He's adding to the example of prayer He gave in The Lord's Prayer - He's not taking anything away.
Context, Grace.
In Matthew 6, the disciples specifically asked Jesus how to pray.
Jesus taught them not to pray as the hypocrites so they wanted to know how to pray correctly, genuinely.
Context, Grace.
In John 16, Jesus is getting ready to leave this earth through His death of the cross. He's preparing his disciples and warning them because life isn't going to be easy in a world of hate, a hate for Jesus and a hate for them.
But He says He won't leave them alone, but will leave them a helper, the Holy Spirit He promised. He comforts them that even though in the world we'll have tribulation, to take heart because He has overcome the world and it's in Him that we'll find peace.
And finally, to the part you're speaking of, because Jesus is leaving and because they've never had to in the past ask for anything because Jesus was with them, NOW that He's LEAVING the earth, they will now be able to ask of the Father in His name.
John 16
These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling. They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.
“But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be made full. “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
His disciples *said, “Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not using a figure of speech. Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”
He's adding to the example of prayer He gave in The Lord's Prayer - He's not taking anything away.
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I don't know about idea of you can refuse to forgive someone and still be forgiven by God. Is that what you are saying? I am not completely sure if that is what you are saying but it seems that way from other posts I have read by you. To me it seems that if you do not forgive others their sins your heavenly Father will not forgive your sins that if this no longer applies, then it is like saying Jesus changed his mind. I don't see how it could possibly not still apply today. Maybe it is those who have not received Jesus that are the ones who never forgive.
I think the Lord's prayer is a great prayer to pray. I am not completely sure why we should ask God to forgive us when he has already forgiven us. For me asking God to forgive me of a sin just sounds right. I have been doing it for a while. When I ask God to forgive me though, I don't feel like I have to ask before he forgives.
Grace,
Why make such a big deal of it then. You've talked about it often enough. And you leave us with the understanding that it's wrong to pray the Lord's Prayer.
Your above statement says what?
~ If we pray or believe we should pray the Lord's Prayer, we don't have this truth you're proposing and this truth goes against our church's influence.
~ The understanding of your truth will allow us to grow up in the grace and knowledge of our Lord. So because we don't have your truth we are not allowed to grow up in the grace and knowledge of our Lord.
~ And because we are praying the Lord's prayer and aren't following this truth of yours we aren't walking fully in the reality of the New Covenant.
So all we have to do is to stop praying the Lord's Prayers and we'll be good to go?
Grace777 consider this verse from Revelation 12:10: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. This is what we are praying for when we say your kingdom come. Even so come Lord Jesus is a way of saying come and establish your kingdom here.
or maybe consider that Jesus Knew that the Gospel would be preached in all the world, written down as He spoke it because it is not confined to Jesus short ministry, rather it applies from the moment He spoke it, to eternity being the eternal covenant and all after all He did say
matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
so that Kind of covers at least until the World ends.
concerning who was the " messenger of the covenant"
malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me<<< ( john the baptist Mark 1:1-3, matthew 11:10. Luke 1:71-76),
Jesus )>>> and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."
Yes the Lamb of God takes away the sins of the world. And those who respond to the gospel we have Peter telling us what to do.
Acts 2:37-39 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
First, a person's heart has to be pricked with the knowledge that they've sinned, they're a sinner. Forgiveness doesn't happen by waving some magic wand in the air. There's substance to forgiveness.
So the unbeliever's heart is pierced. They realize they're a sinner - so now what? Now they must repent of their sins so they can receive forgiveness of their sins. There's a process, it doesn't automatically happen.
Forgiveness has been purchased for everyone. But only those who respond in faith receive forgiveness. We do it God's way. By grace through faith we receive God's forgiveness.
So yes, we stand in forgiveness of past sins. (Present, continuous) Our slate is wiped clean. The Lord will never bring up our sins against us because He forgave them. (Past tense) But an ongoing sin in the future must be confessed and repented of. God is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. When we sin, we are walking in unrighteousness and we become spiritually dirty.
This is also continuous action. Jesus keeps forgiving our sins. We stand in Him and in His forgiveness. This doesn't cancel out our future sins. We are assured He will forgive us when we confess and repent, but we still need to do it God's way and not our own imagining of how we want to scriptures to read.
If we are in Christ, it's our desire to obey and do it God's way and not our own. So when we sin we confess and ask forgiveness and He promises He will forgive us.
Even is the natural world we hurt others and feel bad and ask for forgiveness when we do wrong. I ask my husband to forgive me when I get upset and say something unkind. How much more would we ask our Heavenly Father when we've done something against Him and sinned against Him.
I'm secure in my faith, even knowing I must confess my sins. I know my loving Father will forgive me. He's loving and kind forever. He's our Abba Father, our Dad. He encourages us to come to Him and repent of our sins against us assuring us of His love and forgiveness.
Those who do this are mature Christians who rightly divide the word of truth.
Thank you Lord for your overflowing love that's continually poured out on You children. In Jesus' name, Hallelujah!
matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
alot of Christians have a hard time forgiving because they dont believe they need to do it. Humans by nature wont do things they dont fel like doing or dont think they need to do. a christian realizes they need to forgive when they understand Who thier Lord is and what He said about forgiving others. a person who believes has no reason to disbelieve His Word, there is no verse in the scripture that will even suggest His words dont apply.
matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."
matthew 24:11-14 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
matthew 24:24-25 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.
notice Jesus isnt saying until i am crucified, but He is saying until the end. Hes speaking covering thousands of years ahead my words never pass away, this gospel shall be preached to all the world and then the end, false prophets will arise to deceive many.......I Jesus, have told you behold "
alot of Christians have a hard time forgiving because they dont believe they need to do it. Humans by nature wont do things they dont fel like doing or dont think they need to do. a christian realizes they need to forgive when they understand Who thier Lord is and what He said about forgiving others. a person who believes has no reason to disbelieve His Word, there is no verse in the scripture that will even suggest His words dont apply.
matthew 4:23 "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."
matthew 24:11-14 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
matthew 24:24-25 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.
notice Jesus isnt saying until i am crucified, but He is saying until the end. Hes speaking covering thousands of years ahead my words never pass away, this gospel shall be preached to all the world and then the end, false prophets will arise to deceive many.......I Jesus, have told you behold "
" my views."
thats exactly your issue YOUR VIEWS you think somehow outwit Jesus Christs TRUTH even as you Know He is the Lord, and says all he says about His words, people who know Christ dont go about telling people anything thats conditional that Jesus said isnt for you. someone who actually has union with Jesus, thier spirit agrees with His word always will. you should really realllly look at the things you say as if you are wrong and Jesus Knows way better. after all He is the Only savior God will ever send, and He says very clearly that He came from God, was speaking what He learned and saw from God, spoke what God told Him to say.
its that or stick with all the "pastors" who disagree with the Lord...doesnt seem like a hard decision for someone who claims discipleship or union with Jesus.
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thats exactly your issue YOUR VIEWS you think somehow outwit Jesus Christs TRUTH even as you Know He is the Lord, and says all he says about His words, people who know Christ dont go about telling people anything thats conditional that Jesus said isnt for you. someone who actually has union with Jesus, thier spirit agrees with His word always will. you should really realllly look at the things you say as if you are wrong and Jesus Knows way better. after all He is the Only savior God will ever send, and He says very clearly that He came from God, was speaking what He learned and saw from God, spoke what God told Him to say.
its that or stick with all the "pastors" who disagree with the Lord...doesnt seem like a hard decision for someone who claims discipleship or union with Jesus.
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Hi Grace,
I hope you're not getting tired of my responses. I just have to say that it seems very unkind of you to say this.
I am not a part of a church that recites the Lord's Prayer. But I love it and I pray it at times. I even use it as a springboard into my prayer time.
I can stop at the very beginning for a while and have a time of praise and prayer by quoting, "Our Father in heaven".
I have a Heavenly Father and He belongs to others. Our father makes me think of family. He's not my Father alone, He has a huge family. I didn't have a good father so knowing that I have a Heavenly Father is....well......heavenly!
And I'm directing my prayers towards heaven where our father is. I know that Jesus is at His right hand and the living creatures are before the throne. I think about the angels that do his bidding that surround Him. My mind can go off in many different directions as I pray the Lord's prayer.
And every word of it is truth. Jesus said His word is truth. So to tell me that I won't mature if I pray this prayer is really so ridiculous. I'd like to encourage you to stop listening to the false teachings that are leading your astray.
As for other scriptures in the NT, I can think of a couple off hand that repeats what Jesus said.
Ephesians 4:32-5:1-2
Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
I receive this as the word of God and that I'm to obey His commandments. Paul says to forgive each other just as God in Christ has forgiven you. Sounds like the same thing Jesus said.
Colossians 3:12,13
So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.
Again, Paul is repeating the words of Jesus. We must forgive. When Jesus said if we don't, I believe we're being taught that this separates the sheep from the goats. Those that do forgive prove they're children of God and that they have the new birth.
Look at the parable on forgiveness.
Matthew 18:21-35
“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.
But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.
So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt.
But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’
But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened.
Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’
And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
To love is to forgive. If there's no forgiveness in your heart then Jesus probably isn't there either.
I hope you're not getting tired of my responses. I just have to say that it seems very unkind of you to say this.
I am not a part of a church that recites the Lord's Prayer. But I love it and I pray it at times. I even use it as a springboard into my prayer time.
I can stop at the very beginning for a while and have a time of praise and prayer by quoting, "Our Father in heaven".
I have a Heavenly Father and He belongs to others. Our father makes me think of family. He's not my Father alone, He has a huge family. I didn't have a good father so knowing that I have a Heavenly Father is....well......heavenly!
And I'm directing my prayers towards heaven where our father is. I know that Jesus is at His right hand and the living creatures are before the throne. I think about the angels that do his bidding that surround Him. My mind can go off in many different directions as I pray the Lord's prayer.
And every word of it is truth. Jesus said His word is truth. So to tell me that I won't mature if I pray this prayer is really so ridiculous. I'd like to encourage you to stop listening to the false teachings that are leading your astray.
As for other scriptures in the NT, I can think of a couple off hand that repeats what Jesus said.
Ephesians 4:32-5:1-2
Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
I receive this as the word of God and that I'm to obey His commandments. Paul says to forgive each other just as God in Christ has forgiven you. Sounds like the same thing Jesus said.
Colossians 3:12,13
So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.
Again, Paul is repeating the words of Jesus. We must forgive. When Jesus said if we don't, I believe we're being taught that this separates the sheep from the goats. Those that do forgive prove they're children of God and that they have the new birth.
Look at the parable on forgiveness.
Matthew 18:21-35
“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.
But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.
So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt.
But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’
But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened.
Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’
And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
To love is to forgive. If there's no forgiveness in your heart then Jesus probably isn't there either.
T
So the Lord's Prayer doesn't apply to us today. The Lord's Prayer is part of the Sermon on the Mount. So to be consistent, things said in the Sermon on the Mount do NOT apply to us today. For example Matthew 5:27-28: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So that doesn't apply to me today. Freakin' awesome Grace777, I've been looking for a loophole on that one, and gosh darn it, didn't the hyper-grace message just give me one. Thanks!
Well, this is a new low for you, Grace777. I know you are highly subjective, and only like to quote verses out of context that support your viewpoint, but eliminating the Lord's Prayer??
Forget the church I learned it in. When I grew up, in public school in Edmonton, we said it every day from grade 1 till high school. My daughter also said it in school every day, along with a Bible reading in PUBLIC school. Oh yes, and my early years of teaching in BC, the Lord's Prayer and Bible reading were part of the curriculum, and I was able to lead that prayer with children from all different countries and religions. Nice planting of seeds as the children memorized it. And I am grateful to God for that opportunity for them to teach those students the Lord's Prayer.
But, seeing as I don't hold with KJV, I got the Greek and learned it. Then I translated it, and I say what I feel is a more modern and accurate version, for me, since I don't speak KJV English. So, I try to pray it daily, and it gives me great comfort and it reminds me of the glory of a holy God, who is coming again, who forgives his people, and provides for our needs. But, I guess that is just passé?
Well, nothing like church or public school traditions to come crashing down at your insistence. No wonder you consistently preach "another gospel" when you have eliminated so much of the Bible from your studies, and prayers.
I also pray the 23rd Psalm, in modern English every day. Oh, and Prov. 3:5-6. I guess those are gone because they are Old Covenant?? Lucky you are not the arbitrator of what we need to read, memorize and hold close to our hearts. Fortunately, I leave that to the Holy Spirit, who has graciously allowed me to keep all those dusty old Bible verses, even though I am walking in the Spirit. What a good, good Father we serve!
Forget the church I learned it in. When I grew up, in public school in Edmonton, we said it every day from grade 1 till high school. My daughter also said it in school every day, along with a Bible reading in PUBLIC school. Oh yes, and my early years of teaching in BC, the Lord's Prayer and Bible reading were part of the curriculum, and I was able to lead that prayer with children from all different countries and religions. Nice planting of seeds as the children memorized it. And I am grateful to God for that opportunity for them to teach those students the Lord's Prayer.
But, seeing as I don't hold with KJV, I got the Greek and learned it. Then I translated it, and I say what I feel is a more modern and accurate version, for me, since I don't speak KJV English. So, I try to pray it daily, and it gives me great comfort and it reminds me of the glory of a holy God, who is coming again, who forgives his people, and provides for our needs. But, I guess that is just passé?
Well, nothing like church or public school traditions to come crashing down at your insistence. No wonder you consistently preach "another gospel" when you have eliminated so much of the Bible from your studies, and prayers.
I also pray the 23rd Psalm, in modern English every day. Oh, and Prov. 3:5-6. I guess those are gone because they are Old Covenant?? Lucky you are not the arbitrator of what we need to read, memorize and hold close to our hearts. Fortunately, I leave that to the Holy Spirit, who has graciously allowed me to keep all those dusty old Bible verses, even though I am walking in the Spirit. What a good, good Father we serve!
What I am saying is that the gospel message of the forgiveness of sins is based on the New Covenant after Jesus died on the cross. It's His blood that brought our redemption - the forgiveness of sins and it is all based on Christ's work. I have said numerous times that the true Christian will forgive because of the new nature that is in them.
Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
in bruces defense here, and its hard to believe myself saying this, Hes been embattled for a few days, alot of folks including myself Kind of coming at Him at a fast rate. I have been in the same position and its hard to keep up sometimes and not go on the defensive a bit. especially when you feel you arent being Heard.
DISCLAIMER : I am not at all in agreement with this doctrine, i actually abhor it to the last degree.
Im simply saying maybe over a few days of peace and Quiet something will Hit Home for us.
again second disclaimer: to remove even One word of Jesus Christ from full authority is not of God. Nor is to make the case that He did not preach the fullness of the Gospel.
anyways God bless you's including Brucie juicy ( no offense with that name bruce ive known you now a long while, and you seem a nice Guy. honestly the name thing there is just a light Hearted joke ( I used to call my uncle that)
DISCLAIMER : I am not at all in agreement with this doctrine, i actually abhor it to the last degree.
Im simply saying maybe over a few days of peace and Quiet something will Hit Home for us.
again second disclaimer: to remove even One word of Jesus Christ from full authority is not of God. Nor is to make the case that He did not preach the fullness of the Gospel.
anyways God bless you's including Brucie juicy ( no offense with that name bruce ive known you now a long while, and you seem a nice Guy. honestly the name thing there is just a light Hearted joke ( I used to call my uncle that)