The Millennium literal or symbolic?

[valiant]

First of all, there is nothing in the context of the scripture that would suggest a temporary binding of Satan in the Abyss.

This looks to me remarkably like the loosing of Satan after he is bound:
Rev 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.
Rev 9:2
And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3
And out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the earth; and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4
And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5
And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man.
Rev 9:6
And in those days men shall seek death, and shall in no wise find it; and they shall desire to die, and death fleeth from them.
Rev 9:7
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces.
Rev 9:8
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Rev 9:9
And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to war.
Rev 9:10
And they have tails like unto scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men five months.
Rev 9:11
They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek tongue he hath the name Apollyon

and it is the first woe, in other words whenever it was it comes well before your so-called millennium,

 

[garee]

Nope I just dispute his understanding. Just because satan was bound does not mean in totality.

Exactly we walk by faith (the unseen) and not after what the eye does see or the flesh does feel.. walking by sight is the cause of the fall it introduced the three avenues below .

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

I would offer we must apply the prescription if we are to see more clearly through the dark glass the spirutl meaning hid in parables . This is especially true today for the last two thousands year seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelations.

What we had in part up till the last chapter (Revelation) today we have the perfect. And even though their are many who seek to go above that which is written with a signs and lying wonders gospel. The elect will not be deceived in that way. They heed the warning not to add or subtract from the whole will of God .

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the "things which are seen", but at "the things which are not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


We must use the key (gospel) that binds the lying spirit called a serpent seeing it unlock the gates of hell to us who have been born again (new creatures) while it binds the father of lies.

Because the language of Revelation is signified using the prescription of 2 Corinthians 4:18 it must first and foremost be applied if we are to find the spiritual meaning hid in those parables.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

That key gives us ears to hear what the Spirit of Christ is saying to the churches without it we have no understanding and men continue to walk by sight according to 1John 2:16

(Purple in parenthesis) my personal comments

And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.And he said unto them, Unto "you "( new creatures) it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:That seeing they ( natural man) may see, and not perceive; and hearingthey may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. Mar 4:9

According to the prescription found in 2 Corinthians 4 :18 in order to unlock the mysteries we look to the things not seen signified by that which is seen the temporal.

With the key in hand impressed in our forehead we can find the hidden meaning hid from natural man who number is 666..(beast of the field)

Angels that are not formed from the dust (no dna) have no form just as the dragon a symbol, of the father of lies as part of the signifying principle of the whole book .

The gospel binds the Devil not a literal chain . Chains the temporal, as that seen are used to signify the eternal not seen literal chains cannot hold spirits. while the gospel key binds the god of this world it unlocks the gates freeing the new creatures .

The thousand years is a unknown amount of time just a s the word thousand signifies in other books. God does not give exact numbers when it comes to numbering days or people The bottom less pit is simply saving no end, the seal God’s approval. It is not a literal pit or a literal wax seal .



Metaphors in (green parenthesis) . used in the parable below to signify or typify the eternal not seen

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Rev 20:1

 

[Rokurac]

The millennium is symbolically literal.

To interpret the book of Revelation in a way that makes sense, its important to go and do some digging in the old testament, where much of the symbolism is drawn from.
All the reformers agreed that Pope was the antichrist. The futurist view was actually invented by a Jesuit to get the pope off the hook from the accusations. If you wanna check this out look up Francisco Ribera.
Sadly many protestant churches are going back to Rome, and have forgotten what the reformation is all about.

 

[abcdef]

The millennium is symbolically literal.

To interpret the book of Revelation in a way that makes sense, its important to go and do some digging in the old testament, where much of the symbolism is drawn from.
All the reformers agreed that Pope was the antichrist. The futurist view was actually invented by a Jesuit to get the pope off the hook from the accusations. If you wanna check this out look up Francisco Ribera.
Sadly many protestant churches are going back to Rome, and have forgotten what the reformation is all about.

You have this right!

Super!

 

[EarsToHear]

The Millennium = 1,000 yrs.


Chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation covers the first days of the Millennium when Jesus Christ comes to earth to establish His kingdom. This chapter runs close to the prophecies of Ezekiel in the last eight (8) chapters of the book of Ezekiel. "Millennium" means "1,000 years". This period is basically 1,000 years of teaching and learning.


Jesus Christ will be with us here on earth in His kingdom then. There will be teaching and discipline, and many people saved in this Millennium period. Most of the people saved today will not be reigning with Christ in the Millennium, because they will throw their inheritance away very soon when they choose to go whoring after the Antichrist. Some of these people are the ones who believe in the rapture theory. They will chase after the first messiah that appears on earth and not be part of the wedding between Christ and His bride (the church) at the sounding of the seventh trump.


Those who fall into the trap of the rapture theory doctrine can repent and be saved in the Millennium age when their sins of following the Antichrist are committed in ignorance. You can even look at the Millennium kingdom as the "time of salvation", for many will accept and follow Christ in the Millennium. However, the period of grace is for this age of the flesh only, for in the Millennium age salvation will be by their works only as we will see in this chapter. Due to the great apostasy, there will be more saved out of the Millennium, than during any other period of time.


Revelation 20:1-4


1. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.


2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;


3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Endoscopy]

Everybody is just mostly discussing Revelation. The problem is Daniel and the prophetic statements of Jesus are being mostly left out. Daniel and Revelation are types of literature that is very symbolic in nature. In Daniel there is the statue made out of different materials. Today looking back we can discern what the different materials represent. Where there is no history we can only guess what it means. Guesses can easily be wrong. I read Revelation and Daniel trying to reconcile what they meant while reading and listening to preachers and other learned men taught about them. Everything was as clear as mud. They are veiled. It is veiled eliberately with all of the symbolism. When it passes it becomes obvious. When it is happening Christians can take heart. That is the beauty of the books.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Everybody is just mostly discussing Revelation. The problem is Daniel and the prophetic statements of Jesus are being mostly left out. Daniel and Revelation are types of literature that is very symbolic in nature. In Daniel there is the statue made out of different materials. Today looking back we can discern what the different materials represent. Where there is no history we can only guess what it means. Guesses can easily be wrong. I read Revelation and Daniel trying to reconcile what they meant while reading and listening to preachers and other learned men taught about them. Everything was as clear as mud. They are veiled is happening Christians can take heart eliberately with all of the symbolism. When it passes it becomes obvious. That is the beauty of the books.

Hello Endoscopy,

That the statue of Daniel is represented by Babylon (head of gold), Medo-Persia (chest and arms of silver), Greece (stomach and thighs of bronze), Rome (legs of iron) and the revived or extension of Roman (ten-toed kingdom) which is still future with the feet made of partly iron and partly baked clay.

The statue therefore is representing all human government. The Rock that is cut out of the mountain without human hands which is representing Jesus Christ, falls on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on a threshing floor, with the wind blowing the chaff away without leaving a trace, which infers the end of all human governments never to be reestablished.

Then the Rock/Jesus becomes a huge mountain and fills the entire earth, which represents Christ's millennial kingdom. Consequently, the smashing of the statue will be the result of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

 

[valiant]

Hello Endoscopy,

That the statue of Daniel is represented by Babylon (head of gold), Medo-Persia (chest and arms of silver), Greece (stomach and thighs of bronze), Rome (legs of iron) and the revived or extension of Roman (ten-toed kingdom) which is still future with the feet made of partly iron and partly baked clay.

The statue therefore is representing all human government. The Rock that is cut out of the mountain without human hands which is representing Jesus Christ, falls on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on a threshing floor, with the wind blowing the chaff away without leaving a trace, which infers the end of all human governments never to be reestablished.

Then the Rock/Jesus becomes a huge mountain and fills the entire earth, which represents Christ's millennial kingdom. Consequently, the smashing of the statue will be the result of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

The huge mountain that filled the entire earth was the spreading of the kingly rule of God in the first few centuries. and on. Its obvious really except to those who follow Ribera..

 

[iamsoandso]

Is 1Chorinthinians 15:26 written in future or present tense?,,, and does your eschatology agree with it? Paul saw it as future,,,meaning it was not present tense...

Here is the text so that you can compare the "tense" as to if Paul considered it to be past.future or present ect. 1 Corinthians 15 Interlinear Bible

Now you see it in a different tense (I suppose unless I have read your former post incorrectly),,,"based on your former post".

that is death, "the last enemy".

That's the interesting thing about all this isn’t it in that in your approach you see this all accomplished before Paul wrote this and he seems to see it as not yet being yet accomplished and still wanting( at the time he wrote 1 Corinthians= after the death of our Christ) ,,,


I think this is what causes you to see in post #128 the mill. kingdom ending in ad ad65...

 

[Endoscopy]

Hello Endoscopy,

That the statue of Daniel is represented by Babylon (head of gold), Medo-Persia (chest and arms of silver), Greece (stomach and thighs of bronze), Rome (legs of iron) and the revived or extension of Roman (ten-toed kingdom) which is still future with the feet made of partly iron and partly baked clay.

The statue therefore is representing all human government. The Rock that is cut out of the mountain without human hands which is representing Jesus Christ, falls on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on a threshing floor, with the wind blowing the chaff away without leaving a trace, which infers the end of all human governments never to be reestablished.

Then the Rock/Jesus becomes a huge mountain and fills the entire earth, which represents Christ's millennial kingdom. Consequently, the smashing of the statue will be the result of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

My point is that today that is obvious but back then it was just symbolic. Symbolic prophecies like in Daniel and Revelation are mysterious until after the fact. That statue is currently after the fact. That was my point.

 

[garee]

Jesus Christ will be with us here on earth in His kingdom then. There will be teaching and discipline, and many people saved in this Millennium period. Most of the people saved today will not be reigning with Christ in the Millennium, because they will throw their inheritance away very soon when they choose to go whoring after the Antichrist. Some of these people are the ones who believe in the rapture theory. They will chase after the first messiah that appears on earth and not be part of the wedding between Christ and His bride (the church) at the sounding of the seventh trump.

The demonstration of the actual work of the lamb of God who was slain from the foundation of the world is not in respect to the outward demonstration concerning his corrupted flesh typified as sinful which Christ said; could not profit. We walk by faith the eternal (the unseen) not by sight the temporal after that (seen)

The promise was he would come one time as an outward demonstration. The saints are reigning with Christ today just as they were before the demonstration . God is not a man as us .He will not appear in the flesh twice. The veil is rent.

It would seem like Judaism is replacing Christianity rather that Christians walking by faith .

The veil is rent, the walls have tumbled, the time of refomation has come, the work of the lamb slain has been finished from the foundation of the world. The outward demonstration is over.

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we "have known" Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Find out the meaning of no more? Does it mean once more?

 

[garee]

The word thousand represents a unknown as it does throughout the scriptures . Without parables the word of God spoke not.It is God's poetic language that he uses throughout the scriptures to hide the spiritual meaning from the lost.

The book of Revelation is not exempt from walking by faith .By faith we are given the spiritual understandings in a language which is signified using that seen to bring meaning to that not seen..

The whole book of Revelation is signified using the things seen of this temporal heaven and earth to give us the spiritual meaning of the things not seen hid from the lost.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Signified means signified turning it into a literal destroys the spiritual understanding.

The Lord’s day the perspective of the last day same thing. This when heaven and earth vanish at the voice of God as the last trump.

It is how we use the word Day it typifies Christ. He is the bright and morning star the light of the world .In him there is no darkness. When we find the word day and it is connected with God, as the lord or Christ Jesus it represents the lords day spoken of in Revelation 1 .The end of this corrupted creation the last day . He is the last day that will last forever. The Sun and moon are no longer needed .The Spirit of God will be the the light of the new creation.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
The day of the Lord is the Lord’s day, the last day.it used six times in John 6 to signify the end of the world ... judgment day for the lost, the receiving of our new promised incorruptible bodies as the goal of Christ faith working in us.
We are not what we will be. The old memories of this life will not be remembered or ever come to mind a new creation no longer male of female Jew not gentile .

2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The day Job spoke of

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Same as the day of Jesus Christ

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

 

[abcdef]

My point is that today that is obvious but back then it was just symbolic. Symbolic prophecies like in Daniel and Revelation are mysterious until after the fact. That statue is currently after the fact. That was my point.

Hi Endoscopy,

Where do you think that we are in the time line relating to the statue of Dan, 2?

Do you think that the statue shows the mill of Rev 20?

 

[crossnote]

The word thousand represents a unknown as it does throughout the scriptures . Without parables the word of God spoke not.It is God's poetic language that he uses throughout the scriptures to hide the spiritual meaning from the lost.

The book of Revelation is not exempt from walking by faith .By faith we are given the spiritual understandings in a language which is signified using that seen to bring meaning to that not seen..

The whole book of Revelation is signified using the things seen of this temporal heaven and earth to give us the spiritual meaning of the things not seen hid from the lost.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Signified means signified turning it into a literal destroys the spiritual understanding.

The Lord’s day the perspective of the last day same thing. This when heaven and earth vanish at the voice of God as the last trump.

It is how we use the word Day it typifies Christ. He is the bright and morning star the light of the world .In him there is no darkness. When we find the word day and it is connected with God, as the lord or Christ Jesus it represents the lords day spoken of in Revelation 1 .The end of this corrupted creation the last day . He is the last day that will last forever. The Sun and moon are no longer needed .The Spirit of God will be the the light of the new creation.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
The day of the Lord is the Lord’s day, the last day.it used six times in John 6 to signify the end of the world ... judgment day for the lost, the receiving of our new promised incorruptible bodies as the goal of Christ faith working in us.
We are not what we will be. The old memories of this life will not be remembered or ever come to mind a new creation no longer male of female Jew not gentile .

2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The day Job spoke of

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Same as the day of Jesus Christ

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The number 1000 may be symbolic but the literal future reign of Christ on this earth is literal being supported by hundreds of passages from the Prophets.

 

[abcdef]

The huge mountain that filled the entire earth was the spreading of the kingly rule of God in the first few centuries. and on. Its obvious really except to those who follow Ribera..

When it says that it filled the earth, is it talking about this present material earth, or the new heaven and new eternal earth?

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Please consider this, that the stone striking is Jesus coming to take possession of the kingdom at the end of the mill/planet.

See how there is a judgement scene that takes place after the stone strikes, Dan 2:35 Rev 20:10-15.

The chaff is separated from the kingdom, but no place was found for them (chaff).

This means that there can never be chaff again, as the kingdom "fills the earth". If there were ever chaff again, then the earth could not be filled.

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[Issachar92]

This looks to me remarkably like the loosing of Satan after he is bound:
Rev 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the pit of the abyss.
Rev 9:2
And he opened the pit of the abyss; and there went up a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3
And out of the smoke came forth locusts upon the earth; and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4
And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5
And it was given them that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when it striketh a man.
Rev 9:6
And in those days men shall seek death, and shall in no wise find it; and they shall desire to die, and death fleeth from them.
Rev 9:7
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces.
Rev 9:8
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
Rev 9:9
And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to war.
Rev 9:10
And they have tails like unto scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men five months.
Rev 9:11
They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek tongue he hath the name Apollyon

and it is the first woe, in other words whenever it was it comes well before your so-called millennium,

And how is this the same thing as in rev 20? It dont match at all.

 

[abcdef]

And how is this the same thing as in rev 20? It dont match at all.

Hi Issachar92,

Just speaking for myself,

In my time line, this would be in line with when Satan comes out of the abyss just before the end of the mill.

The dragon Rev 20:2 Rev 12:3, the beast Rev 13:1, the iron legs Dan:2, are all Rome.

Satan manifests himself in Rome.

Just before the 7th trump and the fire from heaven.

 

[Issachar92]

Hi Issachar92,

Just speaking for myself,

In my time line, this would be in line with when Satan comes out of the abyss just before the end of the mill.

The dragon Rev 20:2 Rev 12:3, the beast Rev 13:1, the iron legs Dan:2, are all Rome.

Satan manifests himself in Rome.

Just before the 7th trump and the fire from heaven.

I wanna know, how come you and so many others dont think revelation is written in order? Meaning everything happens chapter to chapter verse to verse in order?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hi Issachar92,

Just speaking for myself,

In my time line, this would be in line with when Satan comes out of the abyss just before the end of the mill.

The dragon Rev 20:2 Rev 12:3, the beast Rev 13:1, the iron legs Dan:2, are all Rome.

Satan manifests himself in Rome.

Just before the 7th trump and the fire from heaven.

abcdef, it is because of statements like the one you made above that I continue to tell you that you don't know what you are talking about and should not be teaching the prophesies of this book. Satan is not in the Abyss nor does he come out of it!

Understand this, the beast that comes up out of the Abyss is another fallen angel who is currently in the Abyss whose name in Hebrew as Abaddon and in Greek Apollyon, both meaning destroyer. (Rev.9:11)

This beast who comes up out of the Abyss is the same one who kills the two witnesses and will be the power behind the antichrist and is the same one who will have the abomination set up in the holy place within the temple. (Rev.11:3-12, Dan.9:27, Matt.24:15)

Satan is currently not in the Abyss and will not go into the Abyss until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age which takes place after God's wrath has been poured out.

Stop teaching these false teachings!

 

[abcdef]

I wanna know, how come you and so many others dont think revelation is written in order? Meaning everything happens chapter to chapter verse to verse in order?

The Revelation has different parts to it. It is divided by words like "after these things" Rev 18:1, or Rev 15:1 "And I saw another sign ...".

The divisions are sometimes seen as different time lines, or repeating the same story over again from a different point of view.

One point of repetition would be the resurrections.

There are only 2 resurrections 1 Cor 15:23-24, Jesus and those at His coming (rapture/resur.)

Paul calls the resurrection of Jesus the 1st resurrection. But some want to change the literal first resurrection of Rev 20, into the 3rd, 4th, or 5th resurrection, instead of taking it as Paul taught.

So the resurrections of Rev. are showing either the 1st resur. or the 2nd.

The trouble is that each time that a resurrection is shown in the Revelation, people think that it an additional resurrection instead of identifying it as either the 1st or 2nd.

So they end up with as many as 7 resurrections, instead of 2 as Paul taught.

When you get to the mill chapter and they say that the 1st resurrection seen there, is really the 5th resurrection, not the 1st, as it plainly says.

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The story/timeline that is repeated is Israel from 70 AD, until the end of the planet, with variations.

For example, the 2 witnesses and the woman of Rev 12 are the same, Israel scattered from Jerusalem until the times of the gentiles is over Lk 21:20-24,24.

Both show the 2nd 3 1/2 times (not literal years). The 1st 3 1/2 times is from the captivity in Babylon until 70 AD (power of the holy people scattered Dan. 12:7)


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