The New Covenant Wine Is All of God’s Word

[Karraster]

Summary

It has become abundantly clear to me that living outside the requirements of Covenant with Almighty God is equivalent to “holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.” 2 Timothy 3:5 (NAS). We have no excuse for failing to fulfill our part of the Covenant because “The secret of the LORD is for those who fear Him, And He will make them know His covenant.” Psalm 25:14 (NAS) and "Thereforehaving overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent.” Acts 17:30 (NAS)

Think about how far the obligations of being a party to Covenant reach, even in secular history, let alone what God requires – we are bound by the nature of Covenant to bless one another because we are not in Covenant with God alone. The other parties are all other Christians everywhere. I don’t know about you, but I have just been convicted of being critical of others…and not just the unbelievers….

“So keep the words of this covenant to do them, that you may prosper in all that you do.“ Deuteronomy 29:9 (NAS)

I've heard it said of the Jewish people, that they think in terms of the whole body of people, whereas Christians tend to think in terms of the individual. Could very well be true, when looking at all the different denominations in Christianity.

As for being convicted of being critical, isn't that a good sign? I mean, after all..the spirit is working well inside you to make things known, eh? I feel sorrowful for those who are not convicted of anything, and continue on their way not even aware God wants to continually change us.

You have a sweet spirit Just-us-2, and Godly ways. You are critical of your own self to a high degree and are constantly cleaning your house. Like all humans you have human ways, and it is in you to be searching things out. I am humbled by your example, and appreciate how much you care for your brothers and sisters!

I especially appreciate this study, and understanding the marriage covenant is not easy for Americans I think, because after all, look at the divorce rate here. That alone says something.

It's a good study, thanks so much!

 

[just-us-2]

As for being convicted of being critical, isn't that a good sign? I mean, after all..the spirit is working well inside you to make things known, eh? I feel sorrowful for those who are not convicted of anything, and continue on their way not even aware God wants to continually change us.

Thank you for the kind words. Yes, it is a good sign but jeepers, I had an awful lot of those humbling moments as I studied this!

 

[Karraster]

Thank you for the kind words. Yes, it is a good sign but jeepers, I had an awful lot of those humbling moments as I studied this!

me too! more than once I said "gulp!" We need to know these things though! Our lives are but a moment and then we have no more chance to prepare for eternity!

Messiah is our head, our Lord and King! If we do not care about learning what He wishes for our lives, then what kind of citizens would we be in His Kingdom? Messiah told us to learn of Him. That's why I like this study so much, because you have presented many things to bring clarity. I plan on using it along with scripture for study this coming Sabbath, and am expecting to see more light, I can hardly wait! He already knows all my flaws. I need to know them too.

 

[Karraster]

Hi Just-us-2, was looking at this verse: Zephaniah 2:2-3, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, Seek you the Lord all you meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment: seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be you shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger."
So what does it mean to be hid?

Yom Kippur...kippur-founded on root word kafara= to cover..(this def. is not without some dispute, however it makes sense to me)

is it not the Chuppah??? the wedding chamber..??

Yom Kippur--Day of Covering

See also Isiah 26:20
Song of Solomon1:4

what do you think???

 

[just-us-2]

Hi Just-us-2, was looking at this verse: Zephaniah 2:2-3, "Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you, Seek you the Lord all you meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment: seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be you shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger."
So what does it mean to be hid?

Yom Kippur...kippur-founded on root word kafara= to cover..(this def. is not without some dispute, however it makes sense to me)

is it not the Chuppah??? the wedding chamber..??

Yom Kippur--Day of Covering

See also Isiah 26:20
Song of Solomon1:4

what do you think???

Very good thoughts!
I compared Zephaniah 2:2-3 in the Complete Jewish Bible with the New American Standard and putting the two of them together, I think it is referring to the last days – in other words – us. We have the opportunity to seek righteousness now and should use that time to prepare for what is soon to come. And when the awful things take place I believe the being “hidden” refers to God’s miraculous protection of His own. I experienced His protection one time in an airport when I saw nothing unusual except the look on a man’s face – he definitely saw something scary! So I could be predisposed to thinking powerful angels can and will protect us whenever necessary. I also now there are many things to be learned about any and all scripture and that is why God gives us other people to talk with – or type with as the case may be You bring out a very interesting thought concerning Yom Kippur, chuppah, covering, etc.

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[TD] 3 Seek ADONAI, all you humble in the land, you who exercise his justice; seek righteousness, seek humility - you might be hidden on the day of ADONAI's anger.[/TD]
[TD] 3 Seek the LORD, All you humble of the earth Who have carried out His ordinances ; Seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you will be hidden In the day of the LORD'S anger.[/TD]
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I also think Isaiah 26:20 “Come, my people, enter your rooms, and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves for a little while until the wrath is past” could refer at least in part to the preparing for the future bad times and then the hiding of ourselves until the “wrath” is past and we live during the millennial reign of Christ. And Song of Solomon1:4 "Take me with you. We will run after you." The king has brought me into his rooms. [Chorus] We will be glad and rejoice for you. We will praise your love more than wine. How right it is for them to love you!” seems to resemble seeking righteousness, I think.
But I’m not a Bible scholar and I haven’t studied these scriptures very deeply so all you have here is my opinion.

 

[Least]

Jeremiah 31:31-33 (NAS) "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

The New Covenant wine is ALL of God’s Word; it is defined by the Word of God…because the God-initiated covenant system where one is built upon and extends the one before it only grows and gets better for mankind as we journey toward the restoration of our intended relationship with God.
Even in the secular world we use exactly the same process every day of our lives…case in point: I was taught the alphabet as a child – and then I learned to put those letters of the alphabet together in certain combinations and make words, etc. I could not make a single word if I had not learned the alphabet first. We dare not think the covenant God made is useless, worn out, abolished, negated, or in any other way trashed just because He told us through the prophet Jeremiah that He would make a “new” covenant with us.
Psalm 105:8 - He has remembered His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
1 Chronicles 16:15 - Remember His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations
Deuteronomy 30:11 - For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.

The “old” was physical and the “new/renewed” is Spiritual. The physical was given so that we could understand the Spiritual! Without the old, the dynamics of the new would be lost.

Another one of the popular topics of preaching/teaching these days that seeks to nullify the value of the old covenant of God is the wineskin parable. It is taught that the new wineskin is all that matters.
Luke 5:37-39 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, 'The old is good enough."
Consider this. Wine is representative, and an acceptable substitute for, blood in the covenant of God. 1 Corinthians 11:25 (NAS) In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
The wine/blood of the old covenant and the necessity of the physical sacrifices, etc. to keep man’s part of it can be compared to the old wine in old wineskins. When Jesus fulfills the part of restoration of the relationship with mankind that God had planned by being the final physical sacrifice, the transition from physical to Spiritual can be compared to the new. It is still covenant with God (wine) but the format (wineskin) is now spiritual. I couldn’t find a place where it said we should throw away the wine from the old wineskin or that old wine could not be put in a new wineskin. And to me, it seems just one more piece of evidence that proves that the physical was given so that we could understand the Spiritual.

And another thing – speaking of learning, when Paul wrote in Galatians 3:24-25 “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster,” he was not saying to forget about the law/schoolmaster. It is helpful to know that in biblical times a schoolmaster was the person who escorted the child to school so he could be taught, not the teacher as we think of it today. This escort had the same place as the law does to us now in that it shows us our need for Christ. To remember the route the schoolmaster taught the child to get to school is equivalent to faith for us. To negate the law is to forget the route. It was up to the child to learn after the schoolmaster dropped him off at school just as it is up to us to learn what God desires of us after we are shown how far we fall short of God’s standards by looking in the mirror the law provides for us.

Hi Just-us-two,

I've been reading through the book of acts over the past few days, and came across some things that reminded me of this message from Post #73

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Act 23 not only speaks of the things, which God had shown by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, and He did fulfill those things. Vs.18

But Peter also speaks of the things yet to be fulfilled when he refers to the "restitution of all things, and adds, "which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.'

"Whom Heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things." Making it clear that the old, "wine" has not been done away with. For it has been spoken of by HIS "holy prophets since the world began."

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

"Restitution" defined by Strong's concordance from Acts 3:23.

605 // apokatastasiv // apokatastasis // ap-ok-at-as'-tas-is //

from 600 ; TDNT - 1:389,65; n f

AV - restitution 1; 1

1) restoration
1a) of a true theocracy
1b) of the perfect state before the fall

It reminded me of Another picture of the "old wine, and the new wine."

In the case of the wedding feast where Jesus turned the water into wine the "ruler of the feast," says this:

John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

God confirms HIS truth over and over through HIS WORD.

Acts 3:21 also shows the importance of studying all of the scriptures, from the old "wine" to the "new". (Or should I say, "with the new.") Because the story doesn't change. The new wine brings spiritual revelation.

Psalms 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

 

[just-us-2]

Hi Just-us-two,

I've been reading through the book of acts over the past few days, and came across some things that reminded me of this message from Post #73

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.......Psalms 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

These are great! It amazes me that people can read these scriptures, and many ohers like them, and not see the way it all fits into one big plan - sort of like a really good epic movie!
ACTS 3:18-21
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[TD] 18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had announced in advance, when he spoke through all the prophets, namely, that his Messiah was to die.[/TD]
[TD] 18 "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.[/TD]
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[TD] 19 "Therefore, repent and turn to God, so that your sins may be erased;[/TD]
[TD] 19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord ;[/TD]
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[TD] 20 so that times of refreshing may come from the Lord's presence; and he may send the Messiah appointed in advance for you, that is, Yeshua.[/TD]
[TD] 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,[/TD]
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[TD] 21 He has to remain in heaven until the time comes for restoring everything, as God said long ago, when he spoke through the holy prophets.[/TD]
[TD] 21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.[/TD]
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We are told so many places in the Word that all of the old covenant elements were physical so we could look back at them now - after the new/renewed covenant is in place - and see how each aspect was in the old and how it compares in the new. I just don't know why people refuse to see it.

 

[just-us-2]

Hi Just-us-two,

I've been reading through the book of acts over the past few days, and came across some things that reminded me of this message from Post #73….God confirms HIS truth over and over through HIS WORD.

Acts 3:21 also shows the importance of studying all of the scriptures, from the old "wine" to the "new". (Or should I say, "with the new.") Because the story doesn't change. The new wine brings spiritual revelation.

Psalms 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

We are told so many places in the Word that all of the old covenant elements were physical so we could look back at them now - after the new/renewed covenant is in place - and see how each aspect was in the old and how it compares in the new. I just don't know why people refuse to see it.

I was thinking about this soon after I woke up this morning and had some thoughts.
The first thing I thought about was the statement I made yesterday, “I just don't know why people refuse to see it.” Then right away the scriptures, Matthew 7:7 and Luke 11:9 came to mind.
Matthew 7:7
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[TD] 9 "Moreover, I myself say to you: keep asking, and it will be given to you; keep seeking, and you will find; keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you.[/TD]
[TD] 9 "So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find ; knock, and it will be opened to you.[/TD]
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I noticed that it sounds like we just have to ask and that’s it in most translations, but the CJB makes it clear that it is an ongoing thing. That matches with the example of Hannah’s perseverance in prayer to have baby Samuel and when Jesus told His disciples the parable about the woman who was so persistent in asking for justice in Luke 18:1-8 (NAS) 1 "Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart,"
2 saying, "In a certain city there was a judge who did not fear God and did not respect man.
3 "There was a widow in that city, and she kept coming to him, saying, 'Give me legal protection from my opponent.'
4 "For a while he was unwilling ; but afterward he said to himself, 'Even though I do not fear God nor respect man,
5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will give her legal protection, otherwise by continually coming she will wear me out.' "
6 And the Lord said, "Hear what the unrighteous judge said;
7 now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?

And then the punch line: 8 "I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth ?"

Then another scripture that I have read often came to mind. Jeremiah 29:13 (NAS) “You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.” God will be found by us if we seek Him diligently! It is a promise!


So, I have concluded that if people “refuse to see” it is probably because they are not serious enough about their covenant relationship with God to search with all their heart. Too much evidence in the Bible proves this to be the case. Then comes the question, what is the spiritual state of people like that…? Could they be some that have been turned over to a reprobate mind because they have refused to humbly seek God’s truth one too many times? It is not my place to judge others' spiritual state in such a manner

 

[Least]

Good morning Sister Just-us_two,

Seems a lot of people "believe," that all that they have to do is repent, (only once) and they are saved...and that's it.

I agree with you about how the CJB version says it, because without a doubt it is a continuous process.

Psalms alone is filled with examples of continuous seeking.

I love the example that you shared of the widow, she kept going back to the judge until he met her request.

It also reminds me of this passage:

Luke 11:5 And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
Luke 11:6 For a friend of mine in his journey is come to me, and I have nothing to set before him?
Luke 11:7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
Luke 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.

Imprortunity is defined as: insistent solicitation and entreaty; "his importunity left me no alternative but to agree"

The twelve disciples walked directly with Jesus, and when He ministered to the multitudes, they would later come to Him and ask Him, "what does this mean?" And Jesus would tell them plainly. That happened several times in the scriptures.

Early on, I remember looking up the meaning of "manna," after reading John Ch. 6.

The Hebrew meaning of the word:

4478 man mawn from 4100; literally, a whatness (so to speak), i.e. manna (so called from the question about it):--manna.

Jesus is the manna sent from Heaven! Even in the Lord's prayer it speaks of this, "Give us this day our daily bread."

If we are coming to HIM like children, we would be asking HIM, "what is it, or what does this mean?"

I find it difficult to fathom how so many can say that they Love God with all their hearts, minds and strength, and yet, do not have a complete desire to learn everything that He has for them in His word.

 

[Shoshanah]

I have read this and I do believe there are other new people in CC that would like to learn from this thread - it really needs to be resurrected! Thank you for sharing your study with us!

 

[Least]

Hi Just-us-two,

I've been reading through the book of acts over the past few days, and came across some things that reminded me of this message from Post #73

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Act 23 not only speaks of the things, which God had shown by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, and He did fulfill those things. Vs.18

But Peter also speaks of the things yet to be fulfilled when he refers to the "restitution of all things, and adds, "which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.'

"Whom Heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things." Making it clear that the old, "wine" has not been done away with. For it has been spoken of by HIS "holy prophets since the world began."

2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

"Restitution" defined by Strong's concordance from Acts 3:23.

605 // apokatastasiv // apokatastasis // ap-ok-at-as'-tas-is //

from 600 ; TDNT - 1:389,65; n f

AV - restitution 1; 1

1) restoration
1a) of a true theocracy
1b) of the perfect state before the fall

It reminded me of Another picture of the "old wine, and the new wine."

In the case of the wedding feast where Jesus turned the water into wine the "ruler of the feast," says this:

John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

God confirms HIS truth over and over through HIS WORD.

Acts 3:21 also shows the importance of studying all of the scriptures, from the old "wine" to the "new". (Or should I say, "with the new.") Because the story doesn't change. The new wine brings spiritual revelation.

Psalms 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

"which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

Reading through an old post that is filled with awesome biblical study and discussion about the "old wine, and the new wine."

 

[eternallife7]

God told Noah to build an ark and it is in the bible. Are we to build arks also in order to obey every word of God? Of course not because it was told to Noah and not us. Just like 1 Timothy 1:9 tells us that the law is not written to the righteous but to the ungodly. I do not mean to offend but to say the the new wine is both covenants is a great error.

 

[ukok102nak]

God bless us all
my brethrens :happy: and my fellows :happy:
my brothers and my sisters

we would like to share this verses to all of you
So that we should remember always the wine and the bread
John: 6. 25. And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him: Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
26. Jesus answered them, and said: Amen, amen I say to you, you seek me, not because you have seen miracles, but because you did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27. Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed.
28. They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?
29. Jesus answered, and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent.
30. They said therefore to him: What sign therefore dost thou shew, that we may see, and may believe thee? What dost thou work?
31. Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32. Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33. For the bread of God is that which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life to the world.

:scarf: we hope we don't offend anyone here

:smoke: thank you very much :happy:

 

[Least]

God bless us all
my brethrens :happy: and my fellows :happy:
my brothers and my sisters

we would like to share this verses to all of you
So that we should remember always the wine and the bread
John: 6. 25. And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him: Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
26. Jesus answered them, and said: Amen, amen I say to you, you seek me, not because you have seen miracles, but because you did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
27. Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed.
28. They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?
29. Jesus answered, and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent.
30. They said therefore to him: What sign therefore dost thou shew, that we may see, and may believe thee? What dost thou work?
31. Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32. Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33. For the bread of God is that which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life to the world.

:scarf: we hope we don't offend anyone here

:smoke: thank you very much :happy:

Amen ukok102nak,

Thank you for posting scriptures. It always speaks best on its own.

 

[eternallife7]

All the law giving on Mount Sinai that people try to learn and obey the Apostle Paul knew it and lived it blamelessly and yet he realized that only the finished work of the cross can make is children of God

 

[DP]

I have also discovered that there really is no such thing as “new” and “old” covenants, as we commonly hear in the Christian community, especially from those who like the idea of no responsibility on our part so much that they will fight tooth and nail against everything that so much as insinuates obligation on our part. As I have already said, they are different levelsof a progressive restoration process.

Although I recognize your ability for detail in Old Testament era customs and traditions, and the applying a type of 'seeming' relativism with those old things to New Testament doctrine, the potential of doing that to the level you are doing, is dangerous.

The true believer on Christ Jesus, Yeshua if you prefer, cannot accept the old covenant as still existing since Jesus died on the cross and was raised to the right hand of The Father. The old covenant was not made with Christ Risen, The Son of God. It was made with God The Father as King. Even to this day, this is one of the reasons why many Jews still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.

Just because there may exist similar associations in the New Covenant with how our Heavenly Father did things per the old covenant, that in no way means the old and New Covenant is the same thing.

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the Stone Which was set at nought of you builders, Which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
KJV

Per New Testament Romans and Galatians, we indeed are to 'walk by The Spirit' to remain in good standing with our Lord Jesus Christ, and that daily. But when we mess up at times, as even ALL men do, even yourself, Christ Jesus is our Advocate to The Father for us when we repent and ask Him forgiveness, and that daily also if we feel the need.

Another thing about your writing; you have various comparisons of Christians and Christianity in general, put in a bad light by your examples, especially with the one about land and that deacon. By your doing that you openly pronounce your disdain for the Christian Church in general also.

Could any of us here find a Jew that has stolen property from Christians today, by one means or another? I guarantee you, anyone here could. Does that mean Christians should put all Jews in general in a bad light because of that? No, of course not. Each person is responsible to God for what they do. But you chose to apply a smear upon Christians because of that one deacon example doing an underhanded deed against your family.

It's those things you have in your writings that pop out to a true Christian that put your aims here under suspicion.