The new covenant with Christ Jesus

[just-me]

A covenant can be broken because there are two parties involved. One or the other can break the covenant.
With that said, making void, or disannulling the covenant cannot be done by anybody else except the one who initiated it, and wrote the terms thereof.
Therefore if the covenant/contract is broken by the one who agreed to the terms, the one who initiated it has the right to take legal action.
There is only one way that legal action is not taken, and that is if the covenant is voided out by the initiator.
Now religion can say that the legal action was taken out on Jesus Christ at Calvary. I believe that.
With that said, we also have to realize that there is still a covenant through Christ. What happens if we break that covenant. Legal action is exacted the same way as the old covenant unless it is made void by the initiator.
Question then, "If we break the covenant of Christ, does that covenant also become disannulled, abolished, and void henceforth having no consequence?
If that be the case, what is the purpose of faith?

 

[just-me]

The donkey Jesus was prophesied to ride in on to jerusalem had yet to be born. The old testament was law for man to obey, the New Testament is alive and active, it goes into your heart and grows, or dies, see the parable of the soils. The old testament is not alive and cannot go into your heart. You must be born again. Now, faith comes by hearing and or reading the Word of God. James says receive the Word implanted for it is able to save your soul, the old can not save you, other wise why would we need Jesus.

You bring up Passover of the old covenant. The same day Israel was to acquire the Passover lamb is the very same day Jesus came into Jerusalem as you said. The very same day Jesus was crucified was the very same day the lamb was slain. Isn't it marvelous how God puts things together so we can see His beauty, and the plan that was initialed even before the world began? Without the old, we would never recognize the dynamics of the new.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was .

 

[Fishbait]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel [after those days], saith the Lord;

as far as i can tell not yet, after those days

Israel today still has "a partial hardening". One that leads to war and killings.

"Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” Romans 11:25-27

Many people (Christians as well) don't believe that the Abrahamic Covenant applies to Israel today. But know that It's an everlasting covenant. Yes, Israel is still God's chosen people and sin today (as we all do) but the promises that God made to Israel are eternal. Promises that still apply to Israel today and will forever and ever.

 

[OnThisRock]

Ok, let's just remember that in a covenant, who are our brothers and sisters in Christ? Do we talk about it, or do we act on it? In a marriage talk is talk. Faith is in action. Many race churches (all in one race of family) are continuing to support only each other when the covenant means that we are to take care of the entire Bride and body of Christ, not just our families and local churches. Someone in the body just tells you they just got evicted and are homeless? Well, you ask them if they are OK, at the least. I had to leave Texas after being homeless for 3 weeks and could not take the HOT car any longer. Most all people on CC in Texas knew I was homeless or evicted. Did they ask where I was staying or even if I was doing oK? AFter three weeks I left. Just sayin'. China was a wake up call, and shows that most of the true body is not in America anymore. How do we know about the true body, In WORD AND DEED, not just TALK. Feet Dusted!

 

[chubbena]

OK back to the opening post. There has certainly been enough said to totally derail this covenant that we live.
1st of all the law isn't mentioned in the op.
2nd I am stating the fact the Jesus and our father in heaven will never reverse or make void their motives (His motives)
3rd, there is a very good reason why God instigated what He did in the beginning, and everything between Abraham and Jesus Christ.
Any part of the plan that is negated (being God's plan, not man's) debunks the entirety.

Galatians 4:3-5
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come , God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

One might ask, "Why wasn't Jesus born as soon as Israel broke the covenant with God? What's the purpose for the delay? (if it really was delayed) What's the reason for the time sequence? And last of all, if the old covenant is void, obsolete, and has vanished away, why didn't God conceive Jesus by His Spirit in the garden of Eden? Why put the human race through all that grief?

I believe what He said to the Israelites (an example for us as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:1-13) in Deuteronomy 8 is the answer:
Be careful to follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and increase and may enter and possess the land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors. Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. Your clothes did not wear out and your feet did not swell during these forty years. Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the Lord your God disciplines you. Observe the commands of the Lord your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him. For the Lord your God is bringing you into a good land—a land with brooks, streams, and deep springs gushing out into the valleys and hills; a land with wheat and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates, olive oil and honey; a land where bread will not be scarce and you will lack nothing; a land where the rocks are iron and you can dig copper out of the hills.
There is much similarity between Deuteronomy 8:1-9 and 1 Corinthians 10:1-13.

 

[chubbena]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

Are you addressing my post?

I was addressing to the interpretation and application of Hebrews 1:1-2.

 

[chubbena]

Ok, let's just remember that in a covenant, who are our brothers and sisters in Christ? Do we talk about it, or do we act on it? In a marriage talk is talk. Faith is in action. Many race churches (all in one race of family) are continuing to support only each other when the covenant means that we are to take care of the entire Bride and body of Christ, not just our families and local churches. Someone in the body just tells you they just got evicted and are homeless? Well, you ask them if they are OK, at the least. I had to leave Texas after being homeless for 3 weeks and could not take the HOT car any longer. Most all people on CC in Texas knew I was homeless or evicted. Did they ask where I was staying or even if I was doing oK? AFter three weeks I left. Just sayin'. China was a wake up call, and shows that most of the true body is not in America anymore. How do we know about the true body, In WORD AND DEED, not just TALK. Feet Dusted!

I don't know you but I feel you. It's not the North America I thought I knew.

 

[prove-all]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

Israel today still has "a partial hardening". One that leads to war and killings.

"Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” Romans 11:25-27

Many people (Christians as well) don't believe that the Abrahamic Covenant applies to Israel today. But know that It's an everlasting covenant. Yes, Israel is still God's chosen people and sin today (as we all do) but the promises that God made to Israel are eternal. Promises that still apply to Israel today and will forever and ever.

also a lot of people believe the curent jews in there land is all Isreal

 

[just-me]

I believe what He said to the Israelites (an example for us as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10:1-13) in Deuteronomy 8 is the answer:
Be careful to follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and increase and may enter and possess the land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors. Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. Your clothes did not wear out and your feet did not swell during these forty years. Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the Lord your God disciplines you. Observe the commands of the Lord your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him. For the Lord your God is bringing you into a good land—a land with brooks, streams, and deep springs gushing out into the valleys and hills; a land with wheat and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates, olive oil and honey; a land where bread will not be scarce and you will lack nothing; a land where the rocks are iron and you can dig copper out of the hills.
There is much similarity between Deuteronomy 8:1-9 and 1 Corinthians 10:1-13.

God places all His children in a position that we should all possess. Without following His instructions we will loose that position. Are we forsaken then? God forbid. We can be restored according to His will, not ours. Well said my friend, well said.

 

[achduke]

The old testament is not alive and cannot go into your heart. You must be born again. Now, faith comes by hearing and or reading the Word of God. James says receive the Word implanted for it is able to save your soul, the old can not save you, other wise why would we need Jesus.

When did during Exodus did Israel reject the Holy Spirit?

Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!

Exodus 20:19-20
19and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.” 20Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”


If Israel did not rely on Moses to teach the Law and did not reject the Holy Spirit would they still have sinned?

 

[OnThisRock]

Yes, and the land may not be the U.S. I believe God showed me a new Land.

 

[just-me]

Ok, let's just remember that in a covenant, who are our brothers and sisters in Christ? Do we talk about it, or do we act on it? In a marriage talk is talk. Faith is in action. Many race churches (all in one race of family) are continuing to support only each other when the covenant means that we are to take care of the entire Bride and body of Christ, not just our families and local churches. Someone in the body just tells you they just got evicted and are homeless? Well, you ask them if they are OK, at the least. I had to leave Texas after being homeless for 3 weeks and could not take the HOT car any longer. Most all people on CC in Texas knew I was homeless or evicted. Did they ask where I was staying or even if I was doing oK? AFter three weeks I left. Just sayin'. China was a wake up call, and shows that most of the true body is not in America anymore. How do we know about the true body, In WORD AND DEED, not just TALK. Feet Dusted!

There is a reason the U.S. is losing it, or have lost it beyond the point of no return unless God intervenes. Judgment is coming, and it begins in the house of God. The reason is that we have listened to false teachers saying that some of God's word is no longer valid just as we have seen on this thread.
We are no longer one nation under God. We no longer sing "My country tis of thee" because the church in this country (not all churches) are apathetic.

 

[just-me]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

Originally Posted by Elin

The NT states the old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
That is all I say that is obsolete.

Heb 8:13

When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

When is Soon?

The phrase "has made" and the word "soon" is a contradiction if one only views it as 2 covenants. If they are not compatible with each other the new would delete the other immediately.

"Has made / *hath made" is past tense and "soon / **is ready" is future tense. Therefore "has made" is something to cause the subject at hand to disappear in the future as in slowly fading away.

Keep in mind that the word "covenant" (italicized in the KJV) is an added word when the writer of Hebrews is talking about something "new." There can only be one entity that is out of date, and "soon" to pass away. It has to be the standing remains of the physical temple replaced by the new spiritual temple as we present our bodies as a living sacrifice.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he *hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old ** is ready to vanish away.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

I think it's reasonable, don't you?

 

[chubbena]

When did during Exodus did Israel reject the Holy Spirit?

Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!

Exodus 20:19-20
19and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.” 20Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”


If Israel did not rely on Moses to teach the Law and did not reject the Holy Spirit would they still have sinned?

It's not so much that the Israelites relied on Moses to teach but rather many of them did not fear God. As a matter of fact, David, Josiah, Hezekiah and a few other saints were well taught by the law recorded through Moses by the Word of God and saved by the same faith on Christ.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Elin I see you have about 5,000 some posts, mind you, I don't know you in person but I can tell what type of person you are just by the few that I have read from you. Sometimes it's best to stay quiet. I question the subtance of those other post. I take quality over quantity anytime and I'm sure none of your post have none of it. The 'likes' you have received I'm sure are from like minded people.

You speak and make assertions just based on your own understanding and have not addressed anything at all whatsoever, one can't even say you are defending your own belief with what you have presented. People opposing your understanding have proved their own, you have not even done that with yours, but keep saying already addressed it and what not.

In my opinion it is a waste of your time posting on these types of threads.

Just an observation and giving advice, call it what you will.

 

[just-me]

Elin I see you have about 5,000 some posts, mind you, I don't know you in person but I can tell what type of person you are just by the few that I have read from you. Sometimes it's best to stay quiet. I question the subtance of those other post. I take quality over quantity anytime and I'm sure none of your post have none of it. The 'likes' you have received I'm sure are from like minded people.

You speak and make assertions just based on your own understanding and have not addressed anything at all whatsoever, one can't even say you are defending your own belief with what you have presented. People opposing your understanding have proved their own, you have not even done that with yours, but keep saying already addressed it and what not.

In my opinion it is a waste of your time posting on these types of threads.

Just an observation and giving advice, call it what you will.

There are gifts of the Spirit, one being discernment. Sounds as if you are cultivating that. All gifts are to edify as I see you are doing. Seeing that you are slightly younger than me (LOL) I must say that your candidness is well taken by yours truly. The gift I speak of is discernment of spirits, and that can be dangerous at times. I was chastened today with warning, God reminding me that this gift can verge on blaspheme of the Spirit if one is not prudent. You have not come close to that in your post but you still have a longer journey left than I do.

What you said is true. We know that the adversary caused the Pharisees and scribes to add to the truth of the law and prophets putting undue burdens on the public. Paul was arrested for telling it right recorded in Acts 24. Now that we have a new covenant, the adversary wants all of us to delete the law and the prophets for it is still a substantial part of the sword of the Spirit of God Almighty.

Knowing that Jesus Christ defended Himself with these words that the old covenant contains, the power that conquers evil is not to make void (even by mistake) of any words God has ever said. Keep going sis, you're doin' just fine, cause the "truth will make you free."

 

[LEPIDUS]

There are gifts of the Spirit, one being discernment. Sounds as if you are cultivating that. All gifts are to edify as I see you are doing. Seeing that you are slightly younger than me (LOL) I must say that your candidness is well taken by yours truly. The gift I speak of is discernment of spirits, and that can be dangerous at times. I was chastened today with warning, God reminding me that this gift can verge on blaspheme of the Spirit if one is not prudent. You have not come close to that in your post but you still have a longer journey left than I do.

What you said is true. We know that the adversary caused the Pharisees and scribes to add to the truth of the law and prophets putting undue burdens on the public. Paul was arrested for telling it right recorded in Acts 24. Now that we have a new covenant, the adversary wants all of us to delete the law and the prophets for it is still a substantial part of the sword of the Spirit of God Almighty.

Knowing that Jesus Christ defended Himself with these words that the old covenant contains, the power that conquers evil is not to make void (even by mistake) of any words God has ever said. Keep going sis, you're doin' just fine, cause the "truth will make you free."

Thank you, I really appreciate your response. I'm sure some will call it being self righteous, and what not. By no means am I claiming to have full understanding of scripture as I only recently moved from milk, to solid food, and I praise God to what he has revealed, and will continue to reveal.

I'm glad you have not taken offense to my candidness lol and thank you for your advice, I take it wholeheartedly.

And you are right the enemy wants to contradict God in everything,

It's funny, for example God said not to eat pork yet you find pork everywhere.

God said The Sabbath is Holy and people oppose it as if he never sanctified.

and the list can go on.

Once again, I appreciate your response.

 

[Elin]

Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus

The old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13),

the priesthood is changed (Heb 7:12),

and the Mosaic law is set aside (Heb 7:18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:14-15).

Here is some NT for you.
If Christ kept his fathers Commands why should we not try and obey also?

Keeping the commands of Christ (Mt 22:37-39) is keeping his and my Father's commands (Mt 22:40).

 

[cfultz3]

Salvation is being delivered from a certain dreadful consequence, according to the righteous judgment of God. Those that were of an upright heart and presented to the temple priest a sacrifice, or offering of their own free will, their transgression was forgiven according to God's temple ordinances. Through this kind of faith, sincerity, fear of the Lord God, that instigated obedience unto God they were justified, and saved. The law by itself never justified anyone, and in my opening post I never mentioned the law. That is not the focus of this thread. The temple sacrifices, and offerings of the old covenant is what I am addressing. Granted the temple worship of both old and new covenants are ordinances (laws if you will) given by God, not man.

Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

The above scripture is under the old covenant statutes. The following 3 scripture references are a reaffirmation of the above.

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written , The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back , my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

They were given atonement for their sin by the priest's sacrifice for himself, through their sacrifice given to the priest to divide the offering/sacrifice according to the statues given by God brought salvation.

Romans 12:1-2
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Again I say that the new covenant revolves around sacrifice, same as the old. The new is better than the old.

Just to add:

And as many as were the righteous from the Law, came up with Him and walked amongst us. That is how many people were saved through the Law, those who followed the Law and awaited for their Perpetual Sacrifice to be offered and to have Him come as their Deliverer from death.

 

[Elin]

OK back to the opening post. There has certainly been enough said to totally derail this covenant that we live.
1st of all the law isn't mentioned in the op.
2nd I am stating the fact the Jesus and our father in heaven will never reverse or make void their motives (His motives)
3rd, there is a very good reason why God instigated what He did in the beginning, and everything between Abraham and Jesus Christ.
Any part of the plan that is negated (being God's plan, not man's) debunks the entirety.

That's your rule, not God's.

Where is that stated in Scripture?

You don't get to make rules for God.