The new covenant with Christ Jesus
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Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus
You keep bring up that scripture speaks of things being obsolete. Not becoming obsolete, even as scripture speaks of, but how things are over and done, obsolete. That is in one of your post preaching, and in another that you are just such a nice pure Christian that you would never say that something of God is obsolete. Make up your mind!!
We know that Christ brought many things about that was so much better that what was before was only a forerunner of what Christ brought about, but Christ built and made better, Christ never destroyed as you would have it. Now you say you never said it in the first place?
You keep bring up that scripture speaks of things being obsolete. Not becoming obsolete, even as scripture speaks of, but how things are over and done, obsolete. That is in one of your post preaching, and in another that you are just such a nice pure Christian that you would never say that something of God is obsolete. Make up your mind!!
We know that Christ brought many things about that was so much better that what was before was only a forerunner of what Christ brought about, but Christ built and made better, Christ never destroyed as you would have it. Now you say you never said it in the first place?
Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus
You are quoting the NT, and say that it tells us what scripture states Paul is not saying. You have interpreted scripture, and ask us to see scripture from your interpretation that is in opposition to what scripture says it is.
Act_25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
Act_28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
You are quoting the NT, and say that it tells us what scripture states Paul is not saying. You have interpreted scripture, and ask us to see scripture from your interpretation that is in opposition to what scripture says it is.
Act_25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
Act_28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus
The NT states the old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
That is all I say that is obsolete.
The priesthood is changed (Heb 7:12),
and the Mosaic law is set aside (Heb 7:18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:14-15).
And that is what I say.
You have me confused with someone else.
The NT states the old covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).
That is all I say that is obsolete.
The priesthood is changed (Heb 7:12),
and the Mosaic law is set aside (Heb 7:18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:14-15).
And that is what I say.
You have me confused with someone else.
Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus
Here is some NT for you. If Christ kept his fathers Commands why should we not try and obey also?
John 15:9-10
9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Rev 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
1 John 5:1-5
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
Here is some NT for you. If Christ kept his fathers Commands why should we not try and obey also?
John 15:9-10
9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Rev 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
1 John 5:1-5
1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
OK back to the opening post. There has certainly been enough said to totally derail this covenant that we live.
1st of all the law isn't mentioned in the op.
2nd I am stating the fact the Jesus and our father in heaven will never reverse or make void their motives (His motives)
3rd, there is a very good reason why God instigated what He did in the beginning, and everything between Abraham and Jesus Christ.
Any part of the plan that is negated (being God's plan, not man's) debunks the entirety.
Galatians 4:3-5
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come , God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
One might ask, "Why wasn't Jesus born as soon as Israel broke the covenant with God? What's the purpose for the delay? (if it really was delayed) What's the reason for the time sequence? And last of all, if the old covenant is void, obsolete, and has vanished away, why didn't God conceive Jesus by His Spirit in the garden of Eden? Why put the human race through all that grief?
1st of all the law isn't mentioned in the op.
2nd I am stating the fact the Jesus and our father in heaven will never reverse or make void their motives (His motives)
3rd, there is a very good reason why God instigated what He did in the beginning, and everything between Abraham and Jesus Christ.
Any part of the plan that is negated (being God's plan, not man's) debunks the entirety.
Galatians 4:3-5
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come , God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
One might ask, "Why wasn't Jesus born as soon as Israel broke the covenant with God? What's the purpose for the delay? (if it really was delayed) What's the reason for the time sequence? And last of all, if the old covenant is void, obsolete, and has vanished away, why didn't God conceive Jesus by His Spirit in the garden of Eden? Why put the human race through all that grief?
Re: The old covenant with Christ Jesus
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers
were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent
we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent
we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus
Good point, but Elin hates it when I say that there are 3 times the word covenant is added in the KJV when Hebrews 8, and 9 are addressing the temple, one made by the hand of man according to God's direction, and the other made by Christ according to God's direction. verse 13 is one of those times.
Good point, but Elin hates it when I say that there are 3 times the word covenant is added in the KJV when Hebrews 8, and 9 are addressing the temple, one made by the hand of man according to God's direction, and the other made by Christ according to God's direction. verse 13 is one of those times.
Re: The new covenant of Christ Jesus
That is what I repeat that you say. You say scripture says it IS obsolete, that is not what scripture says.
You say that when God makes a promise that God will sometimes choose to take the promise back, I say God is too trustworthy for that.
You say you search promises for if we have a part in the relationship with God it gives, and go by whether God keeps it on that, I say with God, we can depend on Him.
You go on with that when scripture uses the word "fulfilled", the meaning of that word is that something can now be thrown out. I say the word means that what was is made complete and we now have it in all it's glory.
I say the Levi priesthood was used as a priesthood to show the world about Christ, you say it was something that had to be destroyed because Christ is now the high priest.
I certainly do not have you confused, I feel certain that you are confused about who Christ is and have created a new God with some resemblance to the real Christ. Actually, Christ is one with the Father and shows the glory of God's mercy and love.
That is what I repeat that you say. You say scripture says it IS obsolete, that is not what scripture says.
You say that when God makes a promise that God will sometimes choose to take the promise back, I say God is too trustworthy for that.
You say you search promises for if we have a part in the relationship with God it gives, and go by whether God keeps it on that, I say with God, we can depend on Him.
You go on with that when scripture uses the word "fulfilled", the meaning of that word is that something can now be thrown out. I say the word means that what was is made complete and we now have it in all it's glory.
I say the Levi priesthood was used as a priesthood to show the world about Christ, you say it was something that had to be destroyed because Christ is now the high priest.
I certainly do not have you confused, I feel certain that you are confused about who Christ is and have created a new God with some resemblance to the real Christ. Actually, Christ is one with the Father and shows the glory of God's mercy and love.
The donkey Jesus was prophesied to ride in on to jerusalem had yet to be born. The old testament was law for man to obey, the New Testament is alive and active, it goes into your heart and grows, or dies, see the parable of the soils. The old testament is not alive and cannot go into your heart. You must be born again. Now, faith comes by hearing and or reading the Word of God. James says receive the Word implanted for it is able to save your soul, the old can not save you, other wise why would we need Jesus.