The Olivet Discourse

[Willie-T]

An age is just a long indefinite period of time, it can be just about whatever the reader wants it to be.

I imagine it is more accurate to say it can only be what the author wants it to be.

 

[miknik5]

The problem with your theory is that, though Peter quoted Joel regarding the reason for their speaking in languages, that part of the scripture listed above has yet to be fulfilled. He was just quoting, but there is no record of the above having taken place.

In addition, the above scripture is referring to the 6th seal, which means that prior to that, at the 4th seal, a fourth of the earths population would have had to have been killed. Also, if the 6th seal had taken place during Peter's time, then the world would have most surely experienced the trumpet and bowl judgments, which also have not take place.

All of these events of wrath are yet future, including Peter's quoting of the last part of Joel, which is the 6th seal. Your interpretation stems from not understanding the severity of God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and that they are to take place in conjunction with Christ's literal return to the earth to end the age and the establishing of His literal kingdom on this earth.

And this is what you said to another poster

so which is it?


future event(s)?

or event(s) which have already happened?

 

[KJV1611]

I imagine it is more accurate to say it can only be what the author wants it to be.

Some of us don't even know which word the author intended lol.

 

[KJV1611]

And this is what you said to another poster

so which is it?


future event(s)?

or event(s) which have already happened?

Everything Peter quoted happened, or he wouldn't have said "this is that spoken by the prophet Jeremiah".

 

[Ahwatukee]

Everything Peter quoted happened, or he wouldn't have said "this is that spoken by the prophet Jeremiah".

The problem is that, we have no recorded fulfillment of the 6th seal taking place, which is what Peter is referring to in quoting Joel.

Did Peter know everything? Was he privy to the events of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Those events have not yet take place, period!

 

[miknik5]

Everything Peter quoted happened, or he wouldn't have said "this is that spoken by the prophet Jeremiah".

Now it's the prophet Jeremiah?

 

[Locutus]

I can put you onto a free book in which the author addresses "age" and much more.

In fact, he warns people NOT to read the chapter on "the end of the age."

I think this is the site Willie - I'll have a full read later:

https://raptureless.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-great-tribulation/

 

[Willie-T]

I think this is the site Willie - I'll have a full read later:

https://raptureless.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-great-tribulation/

Yeah, that's it. You can download the entire book, "Raptureless", from them for nothing.

 

[miknik5]

The problem with your theory is that, though Peter quoted Joel regarding the reason for their speaking in languages, that part of the scripture listed above has yet to be fulfilled. He was just quoting, but there is no record of the above having taken place.

In addition, the above scripture is referring to the 6th seal, which means that prior to that, at the 4th seal, a fourth of the earths population would have had to have been killed. Also, if the 6th seal had taken place during Peter's time, then the world would have most surely experienced the trumpet and bowl judgments, which also have not take place.

All of these events of wrath are yet future, including Peter's quoting of the last part of Joel, which is the 6th seal. Your interpretation stems from not understanding the severity of God's coming wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and that they are to take place in conjunction with Christ's literal return to the earth to end the age and the establishing of His literal kingdom on this earth.

Peter said this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel ... I have to believe him.[/QUOTE]

Everything Peter quoted happened, or he wouldn't have said "this is that spoken by the prophet Jeremiah".

You meant Joel. And in Acts 2, the HOLY SPIRIT had come upon them and they went out and began to preach THE GODPEL and men of many different languages heard the disciples speaking in their own native languages and were amazed

Peter referred to Joel explaining that this was THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT per the prophet Joel

And then He proceeds to quote all of Joel 2 by memory

thats all that happened

(But he left off the last few lines about the deliverer coming on Mt Zion

 

[Bladerunner]

Locutus you mention many things as poorly translated. But with all due respect why should I believe you and not the actual scholars who translated the Bible? Many of these guys are genuises. The King James translators spoke a ton of languages and could actually speak greek not just use software to look for definitions. I used to check everything from the greek and look at what words mean, but things have so many definitions that I noticed myself picking and choosing what fits my idea, and not what the language and sentence structure most likely suggests, and that is where the translators most likely know what they are doing.

I say this not with the intention of starting a fight or derailing the topic, just figured I should mention it if someone else is going through the same. A little greek is a dangerous thing as someone said.

Looking up the definitions in both Greek and Hebrew is a valuable way to interpret the Bible..... History, Hermeneutics and don;t leave out Grammatical. There is one other thing and that is context, context and context.

Listen to AW, VCO and some of the others interpretations...... Rem God has seen everything from the beginning to the end. He already knows what you are going to do... I pray it is the right thing. Good Luck!

 

[KJV1611]

The problem is that, we have no recorded fulfillment of the 6th seal taking place, which is what Peter is referring to in quoting Joel.

Did Peter know everything? Was he privy to the events of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Those events have not yet take place, period!

Here's the difference between your ways and mine. I believe every single word in the bible means what it says and says what it means and you don't. When Peter says these are the things spoken of by the prophet Joel you cut half of the words that he said out.

Also, stars doesn't really mean stars, it means asteroids, 70 weeks doesn't really mean 70 weeks it really means 70 weeks + 2000 years. Maybe you should re-think your views on the book of Revelation. The prophets were until John the Baptist, there are no new prophecies in the book of Revelation.

 

[KJV1611]

@ miknik5

That's not what Peter said, read it right here:

Acts 2:16-21 KJV
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: [18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: [19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: [20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: [21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[posthuman]

In Luke we see Jesus coming out of the Temple after teaching, and responding to some people who are in awe of the Temple:

5 When some were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, he said, 6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down.”

Some followers (who appear to be the disciples) then ask him:

“Teacher, when will this be, and what will be the sign that this is about to take place?”

So, Jesus explains that the temple, (built in 515BC under Zerubbabel, and known as Herod's Temple) will be comprehensively destroyed and the disciples ask when this will happen and what indications will there be that it is about to happen.

Correct?

yes, but they are asking about more than just that..

Coming back to the text. Actually, when you think about what Jesus says, it is a perfect example of his words being measured to the last drop. (It is not some off the cuff remark that he makes)

John 12:
49 I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it.

Jesus does not say that the Temple will be destroyed, (as I incorrectly stated in the first post), he says not one stone will be left standing, i.e. it will be left a ruin, 'desolate' in Biblical terminology.

It is very important that he states it in this way.

yes.

so, obvious question, what other buildings or cities has God completely removed stone from stone?

i remember Tyre, was scraped clean by Alexander, just as the LORD declared He would cause to be done in Ezekiel 26:4
are there others?

why does God compare that temple to Tyre?

 

[miknik5]

Here's the difference between your ways and mine. I believe every single word in the bible means what it says and says what it means and you don't. When Peter says these are the things spoken of by the prophet Joel you cut half of the words that he said out.

Also, stars doesn't really mean stars, it means asteroids,

(Does the Bible say stars or asteroids)

70 weeks doesn't really mean 70 weeks it really means 70 weeks + 2000 years.

(Does the Bible say 70 weeks or 70 weeks + 2000 years?

Maybe you should re-think your views on the book of Revelation. The prophets were until John the Baptist, there are no new prophecies in the book of Revelation.

(That I agree with - there are no more prophets and nothing new needs to be added to the story of our salvation in by and through THE SON)

Question:

Either you believe everything that the Bible says, or you don't.
which is it?

 

[KJV1611]

(Does the Bible say stars or asteroids)


(Does the Bible say 70 weeks or 70 weeks + 2000 years?


(That I agree with - there are no more prophets and nothing new needs to be added to the story of our salvation in by and through THE SON)

Question:

Either you believe everything that the Bible says, or you don't.
which is it?

I believe every word is inspired and 100% right.

 

[miknik5]

@ miknik5

That's not what Peter said, read it right here:

Acts 2:16-21 KJV
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: [18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: [19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: [20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: [21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Now read Joel 2:28-32 (up to anyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved) and tell me again that this isn't what Peter said by memory?

 

[KJV1611]

Now read Joel 2:28-32 (up to anyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved) and tell me again that this isn't what Peter said by memory?

What's your point, the words came from the Holy Spirit.

 

[miknik5]

I believe every word is inspired and 100% right.

So then there is no need to suggest anything outside what GOD has said by HIS WORD

If as you said you are different from awatukee in that you believe every single word in the Bible means what it says then who are you to change what it says?

 

[KJV1611]

The very last thing in the list of things Peter said was "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

WHEN did it come to pass that whosoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved? Is this 2000 years later or is it when Jesus came the first time?

 

[KJV1611]

So then there is no need to suggest anything outside what GOD has said by HIS WORD

If as you said you are different from awatukee in that you believe every single word in the Bible means what it says then who are you to change what it says?

What did I change?