The only Evidence of Salvation - by Brother Gregg Jackson

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Dino246

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justbyfaith said:
Of course.

Jesus said, "you will know them by their fruits."

In order to know a false prophet over the fact that they are bearing bad fruit, we must judge that prophet's fruit.
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That is not the biblical test for a false prophet. The biblical test is two-fold:

Firstly, does the prophet tell people to follow other gods:
Deuteronomy 13:1-4 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

And secondly, do the prophecies come true:
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
 
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Dino246 said:
That is not the biblical test for a false prophet. The biblical test is two-fold:

Firstly, does the prophet tell people to follow other gods:
Deuteronomy 13:1-4 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

And secondly, do the prophecies come true:
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
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Scripture controlling judging.....judge righteously. That is 100% controlling the aspect of us passing judgement on another.

God requires us to judge..we must judge but, it is to be done righteously.
 
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peldom10 said:
We ALL remain subject to the law, unless, of course, you consider yourself...perfect.

I believe it is a dangerous practice .....that some are not subject to God's law...we all are and remain so.
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We are subject to the law as concerning obedience...

However, for the born again believer, he is not subject to the law any more as concerning condemnation.

Because the born again believer is forgiven of past, present, and future sins; and therefore his relationship to the law has changed. While he will still be obedient to it, for that the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5) and this love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6); because he is forgiven, the law does not any longer bring condemnation by judging him guilty as a sinner. Because he has been forgiven of all of his sins.
 
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Dino246 said:
That is not the biblical test for a false prophet. The biblical test is two-fold:

Firstly, does the prophet tell people to follow other gods:
Deuteronomy 13:1-4 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

And secondly, do the prophecies come true:
Deuteronomy 18:21-22 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.
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The New Testament test for prophets, given by Jesus, is that you will know them by their fruits.

Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 
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peldom10

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justbyfaith said:
We are subject to the law as concerning obedience...

However, for the born again believer, he is not subject to the law any more as concerning condemnation.

Because the born again believer is forgiven of past, present, and future sins; and therefore his relationship to the law has changed. While he will still be obedient to it, for that the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5) and this love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6); because he is forgiven, the law does not any longer bring condemnation by judging him guilty as a sinner. Because he has been forgiven of all of his sins.
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Now you are ridiculous......no one is saying that a born again person is still guilty of past sins.

NO, NO and NO........future sins must be repented of.

Geesscchh....where do these new age religious types come from.
 
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peldom10 said:
Now you are ridiculous......no one is saying that a born again person is still guilty of past sins.

NO, NO and NO........future sins must be repented of.

Geesscchh....where do these new age religious types come from.
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Of course future sins must be repented of...

However, when we commit them, it is sound Christian doctrine to say that we do not lose our position in Christ.

We lose koinoneia / fellowship; and must be forgiven from that perspective so that fellowship can be restored as Jesus, through His blood, cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

While the committing of sins in the future does not change our position of being in Christ and justified by faith; as long as we have faith.

Now, it is true that committing sins can have an effect on one's faith so that one might not have faith for salvation any more as the result of committing certain sins.

However, as long as faith remains in the person, committing sins does not, per se, bring a person out of their position of being in Christ.

See Romans 4:5.

It tells us that we have an unshakable identity in Christ...that we are righteous because of faith...even when we blow it.

The exhortation, therefore, being, "Go and live like your new identity." (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6)
 
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peldom10

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Wrong again.

After being born again....we must repent of our occasional unintended sins which we commit.
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
The only Evidence of Salvation - by Brother Gregg Jackson​

The only evidence of a person's salvation is that they have BELIEVED The Gospel.

If a person professes that they have trusted in Christ alone as savior believing He died for all their sins, was buried and rose again on the 3rd Day according to the Scriptures for their justification we must assume they are a brother or sister in Christ (BASED SOLELY ON THEIR PROFESSION OF FAITH).

So, don't be going to websites like (Calvinist) "Got Questions" that has a 12 point litmus test (which they mis-apply) from 1st John to determine if a person has "genuine saving faith" here:https://www.gotquestions.org/signs-saving-faith.html

Instead trust the words of Jesus:

"Verily, verily I say unto you he who BELIEVETH in Me hath everlasting life." (John 6:47)

A person is saved (from the penalty & punishment for sin in hell) the moment they trust in Christ ALONE as savior and can know with 100% certainty they possess ETERNAL LIFE (the life of Christ) and are GUARANTEED to never be plucked from the Father's Hand or perish (John 10:28-31) or separated from His love (Romans 8:38-39) solely on the basis of FAITH (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:5, Galatians 3:24, John 3:16, John 6:47, Acts 16:31).

Man's word can mislead.

But God's Word NEVER does...

"These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and that ye may BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God." (1st John 5:13, KJV)

Be of good cheer today!!!!!
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I agree with most of your post.
But I want to say that you're under no biblical obligation to assume that another person is a bro/sis in Christ, based solely on their profession. A profession is just words. You can't see their belief, apart from their behaviors (James 2:18).
 
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Charlie24 said:
There is the element of a changed lifestyle. I wouldn't give a plug nickel on the profession of faith of someone who claims to be saved for sometime now but still has the foul mouth, still goes out to the bars drinking, still steals when the opportunity arises, etc.

No change, no salvation! That's the way I see it, just being honest.
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no repentance no salvation
 
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Evmur said:
no repentance no salvation
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That picture is very prominent in society today with many attending and touting a new age religion church as their proof.
All the while that group professes to be Christian.
Conclusion...they are not even ..."luke warm".
 
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peldom10 said:
That picture is very prominent in society today with many attending and touting a new age religion church as their proof.
All the while that group professes to be Christian.
Conclusion...they are not even ..."luke warm".
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I do not know this group ... I have never seen anyone who could get away with saying they are saved if they are not ... they always give themselves away. The fake christians are those in national church.
 
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justbyfaith said:
We are subject to the law as concerning obedience...

However, for the born again believer, he is not subject to the law any more as concerning condemnation.

Because the born again believer is forgiven of past, present, and future sins; and therefore his relationship to the law has changed. While he will still be obedient to it, for that the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5) and this love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6); because he is forgiven, the law does not any longer bring condemnation by judging him guilty as a sinner. Because he has been forgiven of all of his sins.
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Actually, I am in agreement with you in this estimation.
 
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peldom10

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tourist said:
Actually, I am in agreement with you in this estimation.
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The law is the law. Just because you are driving 65 does not mean the 65 law is discontinued.

The new age religion group is leading many astray with this no law thing. It is still there ...clearly....beware.
 
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Evmur said:
I do not know this group ... I have never seen anyone who could get away with saying they are saved if they are not ... they always give themselves away. The fake christians are those in national church.
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Look closely....it is the same group that ignores facts when they want to believe something...left.
 
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peldom10 said:
The law is the law. Just because you are driving 65 does not mean the 65 law is discontinued.

The new age religion group is leading many astray with this no law thing. It is still there ...clearly....beware.
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Of course the law is still there ... it is there for sinners.

We are not under the law but under grace ... is Paul a new ager?
 
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peldom10 said:
The law is the law. Just because you are driving 65 does not mean the 65 law is discontinued.

The new age religion group is leading many astray with this no law thing. It is still there ...clearly....beware.
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The law that says not to go over 65 does not apply to those who do not go over 65. It only applies to those who violate it.
 
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