THE POWER OF THE TONGUE PROVERBS 18:21

[sevenseas]

Why are you posting about these other Christians who do questionable things out there in the bigger world of Christians with me or anyone here on this thread? I don't know those people nor have I looked up what any of these Christians have done or why.

Does it make your disagreement with me and those here about Job stronger by dis crediting other Christian people and saying they hold to doctrines of demons? Is it possible for you to discuss the topics at hand and not call forth what others are doing and associating those of us here with them over there?

I don't hold to the things Pastor John MacGarther preaches nor do I post threads about him and why I don't like him and the mistakes and failures of him in his life. It would be so wrong for me to post of his failures and the other Christians who follow him who have failed. Why? because humans fail and will fail until we are in heaven where we no longer will fight the good fight of faith.

To put up those failures so I can "win" in a doctrinal discussion here on CC would be beneath me as a Christian. Isn't it beneath you too?

Joseph Prince is a WOF preacher with numerous false teachings

some people come along and say they don't agree with everything he teaches.

if he teaches error by adding or subtracting from scripture, it's like Russian roulette

I think you should ask yourself why you post his devotions when so many here point out the errors

I don't think questioning why someone is disagreeing is valid

people are questioning Joseph Prince and you need to realize that will continue happening as long as there are posts that try to validate error

this devotional about Job is totally off base and erroneous

 

[Meggido]

Why are you posting about these other Christians who do questionable things out there in the bigger world of Christians with me or anyone here on this thread? I don't know those people nor have I looked up what any of these Christians have done or why.

Does it make your disagreement with me and those here about Job stronger by dis crediting other Christian people and saying they hold to doctrines of demons? Is it possible for you to discuss the topics at hand and not call forth what others are doing and associating those of us here with them over there?

I don't hold to the things Pastor John MacGarther preaches nor do I post threads about him and why I don't like him and the mistakes and failures of him in his life. It would be so wrong for me to post of his failures and the other Christians who follow him who have failed. Why? because humans fail and will fail until we are in heaven where we no longer will fight the good fight of faith.

To put up those failures so I can "win" in a doctrinal discussion here on CC would be beneath me as a Christian. Isn't it beneath you too?

Glad you asked...if you like I will start showing and telling all about the false teacher Joseph Prince....who claims his spiritual dada to be Kenneth Copeland...who learned from Kennith Hagin Sr.

 

[sevenseas]

Speaking of money...secular entertainment companies value Hillsong now at roughly between $80M-$100M USD....they then forgot that HS is tax exempt and the valuation came in just under $500M USD

I'm glad I got a personal wake up call

it makes the removal of the deception so much more valid

 

[joaniemarie]

Here is a response from the leader of Hillsong concerning gays in leadership roles or in worship roles.

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Hillsong Church Statement by Senior Pastor Brian Houston

August 2015


I wish to correct reports that Hillsong church has “an openly gay couple directing a choir” at our New York City campus. Hillsong’s position on homosexuality and gay marriage has not changed and is consistent with Scripture. As I have stated previously, I believe the writings of Paul are clear on this subject.

Several months ago when one of our choir directors made an unexpected public statement regarding his engagement to a man who sometimes sang in the choir, it was a complete surprise to us as well. It is my understanding that they have not been involved in an active leadership or ministry role since. That said, we still love them and acknowledge that they – like all of us – are on a journey, and our role as a church is to assist them on this journey with grace and compassion.

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https://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/



Here is his talk about "Does he love gay people?"

https://hillsong.com/collected/blog/2015/08/do-i-love-gay-people/#.WYiSWxtK1fw


I don't for a second endorse the homosexual lifestyle - it is as destructive as is malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ. They are in the same lists together as works of the flesh.

Thank you again Bruce for setting the record straight. Although it stinks that you have to do this here all the time. When only part of a story is posted all it does is discredit believers and Jesus in the world. And then others who disagree with the thread abandon the topic and start condemning Christians they disagree with even more vehemently.

Hey folks! Don't we have enough to deal with in the world than to shoot our brothers and sisters in Christ by posting partial info and adding opinions as to why they are such failures in their Christian walk? Is it any wonder words have the power to destroy?

 

[sevenseas]

[FONT=&quot]I don't hold to the things Pastor John MacGarther preaches nor do I post threads about him and why I don't like him and the mistakes and failures of him in his life. It would be so wrong for me to post of his failures and the other Christians who follow him who have failed. Why? because humans fail and will fail until we are in heaven where we no longer will fight the good fight of faith.

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you know joanie, I'm going to comment on this too

you seem to be getting in deeper and deeper here and rationalizing your comments with how you feel and ascribing feelings to others they simply do NOT have

I have no emotions myself with regards to false teachers other than some anger because they distort the truth so badly, discredit God, hurt innocent and young believers and reap huge $$$$ from it. now that anger is justified and allowed.

we are SUPPOSED to contend for the truth

yet, you are actually contending for error and it is hurting you more and more. it is indefensible actually

it is not about you. it really isn't.

 

[UnderGrace]

I agree we should focus on what they teach and see how it lines up with scripture.

I think if someone is public figure and their teachings are for the wider public we do have to be discerning and we can point out concerns, but again it does not have to be a personal attack.

I will also state that sometimes some preachers do make it difficult because of their lifestyle to discuss Jesus with non-believers since we are often put in a position we we have to explain why they should not be the focus only Jesus.

Having said that before I was saved I remember having a strong dislike for Billy Graham and I had no real basis for it only that I could not understand what he was teaching.

Why are you posting about these other Christians who do questionable things out there in the bigger world of Christians with me or anyone here on this thread? I don't know those people nor have I looked up what any of these Christians have done or why.

Does it make your disagreement with me and those here about Job stronger by dis crediting other Christian people and saying they hold to doctrines of demons? Is it possible for you to discuss the topics at hand and not call forth what others are doing and associating those of us here with them over there?

I don't hold to the things Pastor John MacGarther preaches nor do I post threads about him and why I don't like him and the mistakes and failures of him in his life. It would be so wrong for me to post of his failures and the other Christians who follow him who have failed. Why? because humans fail and will fail until we are in heaven where we no longer will fight the good fight of faith.

To put up those failures so I can "win" in a doctrinal discussion here on CC would be beneath me as a Christian. Isn't it beneath you too?

 

[Denadii]

I don't lke the ignore list thing, but I've decided to add all the haters to it because this fighting sickens me. They don't know the Word at all but love to use it as a weapon. I would be willing to bet there is no life in their existence. So sad.

 

[Meggido]

Word of Faith is not an actual denomination nor does it have a rigid set standard or doctrinal creed or statement. Beliefs differ somewhat from teacher to teacher, but the vast majority profess that children of God have a “right” to the good things in life. All they have to do is believe and ask God correctly for what they want. Entire books have been written on the movement and the heresy and blasphemy taught within. I highly recommend Hank Hanegraaff’s “Christianity In Crisis: 21st Century,” John MacArthur’s “Charismatic Chaos” and “Strange Fire.” With this brief article I have narrowed it down to three of their main errors, a “trinity” of errors if you will.

The First False Teaching: Words are Encapsulated with Power

Literal words have actual power contained within them. That’s why people often refer to them as “name it and claim it” or “blab it and grab it.” WOF teachers will quote a verse like Matthew 11:24, emphasizing only the belief aspect of it: “Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours” (NIV).

The Bible, however, teaches that God’s will determines the answer to our prayers

Hagin Sr. invented the prooftext....anyone who has read his books will notice he did this:


Mark 11.24 as it is in the Word

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

What Hagin did in all his books

[SUP]24 [/SUP]................What things soever ye desire....believe that ye receive them..........and ye shall have them.

 

[sevenseas]

“In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God” (Romans 8:26-27, NIV).

Since God is a loving heavenly Father He gives us what is BEST for us, and only He is truly able of knowing precisely what that is. Numerous faithful Christians have prayed for healing from illness, disease, or disability and have remained unhealed. The leaders of this movement blame this fact on the one seeking God and praying for healing. They will claim something must be “in the way” of their prayer; their faith is not “strong” enough; or some other lame excuse. It’s ironic to note that many of those same Word of Faith preachers who claim healing is merely a prayer away are forced to wear eyeglasses, get cavities filled, and visit their doctors. It’s both hypocritical and potentially harmful to teach such nonsense.

 

[sevenseas]

I don't lke the ignore list thing, but I've decided to add all the haters to it because this fighting sickens me. They don't know the Word at all but love to use it as a weapon. I would be willing to bet there is no life in their existence. So sad.

False Teaching Number Two: God Wants Everyone to be Rich

Financial prosperity is a common thread among Word of Faith teachers, which has caused some to call their movement, or at least this part of their movement, the “prosperity gospel” or the “health and wealth gospel.”
Adherents claim that God is not only willing, but He is eager and excited to shower His worshipers with money, health, job promotions, large homes, and brand new cars, quoting verses like Malachi 3:10 in an attempt to validate their belief:

“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it” (NIV).

There is a huge problem with this though. Among other things, the Bible contains numerous passages WARNING against the pursuit of money instead of God, such as 1 Timothy 6:9-11:

“Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (NIV).

Hebrews 13:5 warns us against always wanting more, which WOF clearly endorses:

“Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you’” (NIV).

Wealth is not a sign of favor from God. The idea is simply ridiculous even at first glance. Many drug dealers, corrupt businessmen, and pornographers are extremely wealthy. And on the other side of the coin, millions of hardworking, honest, earnest Christians are poor and left wanting.

 

[Meggido]

Thank you again Bruce for setting the record straight. Although it stinks that you have to do this here all the time. When only part of a story is posted all it does is discredit believers and Jesus in the world. And then others who disagree with the thread abandon the topic and start condemning Christians they disagree with even more vehemently.

Hey folks! Don't we have enough to deal with in the world than to shoot our brothers and sisters in Christ by posting partial info and adding opinions as to why they are such failures in their Christian walk? Is it any wonder words have the power to destroy?

You are so blinded by deception you would be holding the hand of Satan himself an not know it...oh wait...maybe you are....

 

[sevenseas]

False Teaching Number Three: We are all Little Gods

I know, I know, you’re thinking there’s no way they can be this stupid. Well, they are. They teach that human beings are not only created in the image of God but literally are “little gods.” They teach that people are capable of controlling a “faith force,” reminiscent of Star Wars and “may the force be with you,” and have the power to actually bring their desires into being. They quote John 10:34 as their proof text:

“Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are ‘gods”” (NIV)?

This Word of Faith teaching is blatant idolatry, it’s straight forward blasphemy. For starters, Jesus was quoting Psalm 82, which referred to judges as “gods”; Jesus was stating that HE was above judges as the Son of God.
Some of them even take it a step further and say that God is a man. In fact, Kenneth Copeland claims to have seen and spoke with God. He even goes on to describe God by giving an approximation of his height, weight, and hand width.

Christians believe there is only one God, in three Persons, the Trinity. Believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit but are in no way, shape, or form little gods. God is the Creator; humans are His creations. To attribute any type of divine power to humanity is explicitly unbiblical.*

*Article adapted from “3 Word of Faith Errors” by Jack Vazada on christianity.about.com.

 

[sevenseas]

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John 14:9

Jesus said to him, “…He who has seen Me has seen the Father…​

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Imagine the following scenario: A father tells his little girl, “Come here, girl. Mummy says that you have been playing by the roadside. Is that true?” “Yes, Daddy. I am sorry.” “Sorry? How many times have I told you not to play near the road? Come here! Lie down on the road and stretch out your legs!”
Daddy drives his car over his little girl’s legs. You can hear the sound of bones being crushed and the poor girl screaming in pain!
“Now, darling, you know that Daddy loves you. And Daddy did that to teach you a lesson, that playing by the roadside is dangerous.”
You are probably shaking your head in horror by now, wondering which sick father would do that. Yet, there are many Christians who believe that our heavenly Father does the same thing. They say that He gives people sicknesses, accidents, earthquakes and death to teach them lessons.
But Jesus said, “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” Jesus is the nature of God in action. Throughout the Gospels, we see Jesus or God going about healing the sick. If God wants some people sick, then there should be at least one incident in the Gospels where you see Jesus saying, “Behold, your complexion is too lovely, receive leprosy,” or “Blindness is good for you. Remain blind.” But no, never once! In fact, Jesus “went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil”. (Acts 10:38) That’s the heart of God.
As a father, if your child is sick and in pain, your heart just wants him well. How much more your heavenly Father! My friend, God does not give your child a sickness to teach both of you some lesson or to glorify Himself. To think so is to talk out of a warped mind bound by religion! And Christianity is not a religion. It is a loving relationship with your Father in heaven.
Beloved, hear God speaking this to your heart today: “I will never punish you for your sins because they have been punished in My Son’s body. I do not wish you ill. I will not take away your child or give you a car wreck to teach you some lesson. My heart always wants My children well and joyful!”
Thought For The Day

If God wants some people sick, then there should be at least one incident in the Gospels where Jesus gave sickness to or refused to heal someone.

obviously not from this year, but pretty much pick any devotional, ANY devotional from Prince and you will want to look over your should to see if anyone else is reading it so you can have a discussion about how unbalanced, unscriptural and harmful it is

Prince forgets about Christians under persecution in many countries. maybe he could send them his plane to get them out of there

maybe he could send them money? cause most of them are dirt poor

or maybe he could even send them Bibles? cause many do not have one and sometimes if they do, it is taken away and they are jailed or worse

maybe he could tell them just to ask for what they want and if they don't get it, then they need to close their eyes and work up some REAL faith?

WAKE UP

WOF is a load of hellish and evil insults to both God and believers alike

 

[sevenseas]

as someone not famous once said "believe what you want" and God knows they do

however, that alone is deception

please supply verses from SCRIPTURE, not NAR, WOF or bethel or Prince or Joyner or the school of prophets or anything and everything but THE BIBLE, that tell us to believe whatever we want

this stuff kills people.

literally

spiritually

emotionally

and clouds judgement and impairs reasoning by telling people to have faith in the faith they drum up

WAKE UP. it's not God. it's going to destroy you if you hold on long enough and going to hurt you when and if you break free

 

[joaniemarie]

I'm re-posting the answer asked to me about why I post on occasion these devotionals. Many of you are on a feeding frenzy debating my character and others here who disagree with you., So some things need to be restated by me the OP again. Also., I'd encourage you to place me on ignore., since you are not able to handle any one kindly who does not see the Bible exactly as you do.

All you do is vex your spirit by reading how I and others here disagree with you about Job for instance. We have come to some different conclusions based on our Bible reading and study of how the Holy Spirit has taught us. I don't condemn you., I don't tear your personal character apart. It goes against my teaching from the Bible and the Holy Spirit. If you cannot discuss the Bible without calling other Christians heretics and false teaches ignorant and demonic you have a major problem that needs attending too.

Re: THE POWER OF THE TONGUE PROVERBS 18:21

Originally Posted by trofimus

Exactly.

Thats why I wonder why you started the thread by copy & paste of Prince and continue in the thread by defending what he said.

Also, I wonder, why only charismatics are liking your posts and agreeing with you? If this teaching is of the Holy Spirit, people should agree with it from various branches and churches, not just from one specific teaching background, right?

Maybe its you, who is religious and need to get out of what has been taught.





Why did I cut and paste the devotional? Why do I like this devotional in particular? Because we have to start somewhere. I know that we have to jump right in and begin somewhere. So I happen to use this devotional because it does in fact challenge the status quo of what I was taught for many many years. And shocker of shocks, it challenges the status quo of others here too.

And if you read., I'm not defending what JP is saying. I'm giving an answer as to why I agree with some of the things JP says.
When I post one of his devotions it is one I find particularly thought provoking. I don't post every one of the daily devotions as there is one for every day of the year just like with other devotionals other believers have authored.

But instead of talking about the topic., people want to argue about JP. If you look at the posts after the OP., you will see how different ideas are brought up and why. Then I and others answer the questions or statements others bring in. I use my own ideas and my own learned experiences after the OP is started. People are all fallible here. No teacher is perfect nor does he/she have every truth the Bible has to give. But we learn from one another by being challenged and we use the Scriptures that have been hidden in our hearts and we put them up for comparison to other Scriptures and truths we have each learned.

Why do you fight against the process? It's a good process and I welcome your thoughts and what you have been taught. Let's put our beliefs up and be challenged and encouraged. Let's not fight. No one can force us to believe something we don't agree with. The fellowship of the saints is to be a good thing and iron sharpens iron. Put up your own devotional from someone who has blessed you and invite me to join in and I will. Put up your own words and challenge me and I will join in but not to fight and argue. But to ask why you believe what you do in light of the truths I've come to see in the Bible too. It's a good process and why I come here.​

 

[Meggido]

I'm re-posting the answer asked to me about why I post on occasion these devotionals. Many of you are on a feeding frenzy debating my character and others here who disagree with you., So some things need to be restated by me the OP again. Also., I'd encourage you to place me on ignore too., since you are not able to handle any one kindly who does not see the Bible exactly as you do.

All you do is vex your spirit by reading how I and others here disagree with you about Job for instance. We have come to some different conclusions based on our Bible reading and study of how the Holy Spirit has taught us. I don't condemn you., I don't tear your personal character apart. It goes against my teaching from the Bible and the Holy Spirit. If you cannot discuss the Bible without calling other Christians heretics and false teaches ignorant and demonic you have a major problem that needs attending too.

Re: THE POWER OF THE TONGUE PROVERBS 18:21

Originally Posted by trofimus

Exactly.

Thats why I wonder why you started the thread by copy & paste of Prince and continue in the thread by defending what he said.

Also, I wonder, why only charismatics are liking your posts and agreeing with you? If this teaching is of the Holy Spirit, people should agree with it from various branches and churches, not just from one specific teaching background, right?

Maybe its you, who is religious and need to get out of what has been taught.





Why did I cut and paste the devotional? Why do I like this devotional in particular? Because we have to start somewhere. I know that we have to jump right in and begin somewhere. So I happen to use this devotional because it does in fact challenge the status quo of what I was taught for many many years. And shocker of shocks, it challenges the status quo of others here too.

And if you read., I'm not defending what JP is saying. I'm giving an answer as to why I agree with some of the things JP says.
When I post one of his devotions it is one I find particularly thought provoking. I don't post every one of the daily devotions as there is one for every day of the year just like with other devotionals other believers have authored.

But instead of talking about the topic., people want to argue about JP. If you look at the posts after the OP., you will see how different ideas are brought up and why. Then I and others answer the questions or statements others bring in. I use my own ideas and my own learned experiences after the OP is started. People are all fallible here. No teacher is perfect nor does he/she have every truth the Bible has to give. But we learn from one another by being challenged and we use the Scriptures that have been hidden in our hearts and we put them up for comparison to other Scriptures and truths we have each learned.

Why do you fight against the process? It's a good process and I welcome your thoughts and what you have been taught. Let's put our beliefs up and be challenged and encouraged. Let's not fight. No one can force us to believe something we don't agree with. The fellowship of the saints is to be a good thing and iron sharpens iron. Put up your own devotional from someone who has blessed you and invite me to join in and I will. Put up your own words and challenge me and I will join in but not to fight and argue. But to ask why you believe what you do in light of the truths I've come to see in the Bible too. It's a good process and why I come here.​

I just love you folks...splashing water in faces and saying...hey look...it's raining...

 

[joaniemarie]

All of us are "Job-like" until we get our minds renewed to the truths of the New Covenant.

Here is another one - perhaps you may enjoy this one too.

Is Satan God’s Sheepdog?

The Book of Job is one of the most amazing stories in the Bible, but we read it wrong two ways. First, we elevate Job into some kind of faith hero. Second, we think the devil is a sheepdog sent by the Lord to do his dirty work. This crazy notion is based on the following passage:

Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” “Does Job fear God for nothing?”

Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. (Job 1:8-12)

The traditional interpretation is that the Lord set Job up for disaster by dangling him in front of the devil like a marshal might dangle a convict’s shirt in front of a bloodhound.

“You smell Job, boy? You smell his good works and how much he hates evil?”

“Grrrr. Grrrr.”

“Get him, boy! Go! Rip his life apart!”

What a terrible portrayal of our heavenly Father!

According to the traditional view there is no difference between God and Satan. The devil did the deed, but God was a collaborator. God permitted it. He “allowed” it to happen.

Thankfully, this is one of those times where something is lost in translation. Let’s read those verses again in a word-for-word translation such as Green’s Literal Translation of the Holy Bible (LITV):

And Jehovah said to Satan, Have you set your heart on My servant Job because there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil? (Job 1:8, LITV)

In other words, “Satan, why are you gunning for Job? Is it because he’s a good guy? Is it because he won’t fall for your evil schemes?”

Do you see? God isn’t setting Job up at all. He’s letting Satan know that he’s onto him. “I’m watching you, Satan.” The Lord is not unaware of the devil’s schemes.

The fact is, Satan was gunning for Job. Not only did Satan want to hurt Job, he wanted the Lord to do it! Look at what Satan says:

Stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face. (Job 1:11)

The audacity of this schemer! How brazen! First the accuser tries to manipulate God: “Job only fears you because you’ve put a hedge about him and blessed him” (verses 9-10). Then he dares the Lord to strike this good man Job! Of course, the Lord isn’t about to fall for Satan’s tricks, yet verse 12 seems to suggest he does.

The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power…” (Job 1:12)

At first glance it seems that God has just been conned by the devil into giving him permission to go after Job. Really? And we fall for that? Or worse, we think the Lord would fall for it?! Let’s read that verse in a literal translation:

And Jehovah said to Satan, Behold, all that is his is in your hand! Only, do not lay your hand on him. And Satan went out from the face of Jehovah. (Job 1:12, LITV)

The Lord is not giving Satan permission; he’s stating a fact. Job was already under Satan’s thumb. Why does the Lord say that? Because of this:

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)

As Tom Tompkins explains in his book, Understanding the Book of Job, God gave control of the earth to man…

The highest heavens belong to the Lord, but the earth he has given to mankind. (Psa 115:16)
…but in the Garden of Eden man handed control to Satan. So when the Lord says “all that is his is in your hand!” he is stating a painful fact that will ultimately cost Jesus his life.

To sum up, here are four lies that we get from misreading Job 1:


Lie #1: Satan needs God’s permission to attack us

Satan didn’t ask for permission to go after Job because he didn’t need permission. In the Garden of Eden we opened the door to sin and have been reaping the consequences ever since.

The good news is it doesn’t have to be this way. By the grace of God the devil flees when we resist him (James 4:7). Don’t be like Job and let the thief plunder your house. Be like David who encouraged himself in the Lord and fought back (1 Sam 30:6).


Lie #2: God uses Satan as a sheepdog to keep the sheep in line

Woof! What nonsense. What fellowship does light have with darkness (2 Cor 6:14)?


Lie #3: God gives us sickness and suffering to teach us character

Satan’s aim was to trick God into harming Job, something that God would never do. Although Job thought God was responsible for his loss, God sent Elihu to set him straight. Elihu is a picture of Jesus who went around “healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him” (Acts 10:38). Jesus doesn’t give sickness; he takes it from us.


Lie #4: God “allows” sickness and suffering to afflict us

God does not work for the devil. If God gave the thief permission to rob you, he wouldn’t be a thief.

First Adam lost control of the planet, but last Adam took back what the devil stole. In Christ you are destined to reign like a king (Rom 5:17).

But you won’t reign if you heed the lies above and follow Job instead of Jesus.

Grace and peace to you.

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Here is the link for the article if you want to read the questions at the bottom.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/10/28/is-satan-gods-sheepdog/

Worth re posting again. Thank you for your excellent posts and the links Bruce.

 

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WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SAYING?

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Many things in life can cause us to fear—losing our jobs, deadly diseases, terrorist attacks and so on. When these things confront us, we tend to give in to worry and fear, and start talking about our fears.

Job was no different. He constantly feared that God would punish him and his family because he kept thinking that his sons had sinned against God. He would get up early in the morning to offer burnt sacrifices, saying, “It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” And the Bible tells us that he did this “regularly”. (Job 1:5)

So Job kept confessing the sins of his sons and fearing that something terrible would happen to him and his family. In fact, his sin-consciousness didn’t just produce fear, the Bible tells us that he “greatly feared”. (Job 3:25)

It is important that we understand that it was Job’s sin-consciousness that opened the door to Satan. His preoccupation with sins that his family may have committed gave Satan the opportunity to bring death and destruction into his life. God had a hedge of protection around Job. But when he started being sin-conscious and having a fearful expectation of judgment, the hedge was removed and Satan could attack
him. (Job 1:9–12)

My friend, today, if you have sinned, don’t say, “I have failed again. I deserve to be punished by God.” Know that you already have forgiveness of sins because Jesus was punished and condemned in your place! (Ephesians 1:7) So say, “I am the righteousness of God in Christ. Jesus, You are my holiness and perfection.” (1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:21)

We must be mindful of what we believe and say regularly because “death and life are in the power of the tongue”. So when you hear of a deadly virus taking many lives, don’t say, “I’m next because I have not been a good Christian!” Instead, say, “Jesus, You are my righteousness and protection. Surely You shall deliver me from the snare of the fowler and from the perilous pestilence!” (Psalm 91:3)

Beloved, such believing and confessing not only please God, but they also shut the door on Satan so that he cannot make any inroad into your life!


"Destined To Reign Devotional" For August 5th by Pastor Joseph Prince
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Posting the original OP again for those who are off track.

 

[joaniemarie]

This was very true in my life as a believer for many years too. And actually., the things I greatly feared tended to come upon me for a lot of years. And ultimately the losses were very great. We are told not to worry for a reason. Fear is the opposite of faith. And it is a spirit that God has not given us. God has not given us the spirit of fear BUT of power and love and a sound mind. Fear has nothing to do with what God gives us. Fear is an actual spirit.

This is an excellent devotional that brings up the long held interpretation of what Job did and didn't do. How we can learn from Job's mistakes as well as learning why even though Job made wrong choices, the Bible calls him blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil. Job was not perfect and he still had much to learn about who God is and what God requires. Just like all the old testament saints. We are supposed to learn how they were not perfect and still God delivered them out out their tribulations because He loves them (and us) .

Posting again the intention of this thread and why we even post here on CC. To encourage and help others to see Jesus.

 

[sevenseas]

I'm re-posting the answer asked to me about why I post on occasion these devotionals. Many of you are on a feeding frenzy debating my character and others here who disagree with you., So some things need to be restated by me the OP again. Also., I'd encourage you to place me on ignore., since you are not able to handle any one kindly who does not see the Bible exactly as you do.

I don't debate people's character and please show me where I debated your character

telling you it's not about you is telling you it's not about you

you may receive it as some kind of personal attack, but if you do, then you are identifying with Joseph Prince

no one should identify with a teacher, not even the best ones, never mind the bad ones

Paul put that thought to rest and pointed to Jesus

I do the same and I'm doing it here

if you follow JP, you are not following Christ

that actually says more about the character of JP than the people who follow him

although the Bible has plenty to say about deception, itching ears and the doctrines of demons

i would suggest you place those who are offending you on ignore and thereby relieve yourself of reading what seems to upset you

as far as posting about JP, people will continue to do so as this is a public forum.

you don't offend me. this false teaching of Joseph Prince offends God